Baelarys the Bastard

What do you think would happen if the following changes occurred?

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The Changes: Rhaegar marries Cersei, Jaime marries Elia, assuming Rhaegar still crowns Lyanna and R+L=J

Here’s some of my thoughts 

Rhaegar marries Cersei

     - she gives him some legitimate children, some incest children 

     - Tywin remains Hand

Jaime marries Elia

     -if Jaimie doesn’t screw up as bad as Rhaegar did then a strong Lannister-Martell alliance

     -Arianne might be bethrothed to Viserys 

Robert’s Rebellion still occurs

     - Jon is still born

     - Robert dies, Stannis is sent to the wall and Renly is a ward at King’s Landing

     -Jon Arryn could lose the Vale, maybe Jon Conn could earn it? 

              - Lysa might be remarried to him making a Robin Baelish more likely IMO

      - There might be mercy towards the north 

Greyjoy Rebellion still happens 

- Theon could be warded at King’s Landing 


-if Cersei’s first born son just so happens to be an incest child or possibly just a mad targ a war could break out

- I can see Viserys taking on a Renly/Stannis role

- I don’t know if Jon would join in the fighting if he felt it was his duty he might 

- the Greyjoys might pull the same tricks they did in the original timeline 

The North and Winterfell

- I doubt Eddard would be made Hand so no reason for him to go to King’s Landing 

- The north would rally behind Jon 

-Sansa might still be betrothed to the first-born prince so a Sansa hostage is still likely

Thats all I got for now but there’s still some lingering questions 

What would Dany be up to?

Would Littlefinger still find a way to make an impact?

Who would the Tyrells support?

could Faegon be cooking up another Blackfyre campaign across the narrow sea in this timeline?

Who is going to hatch dragon eggs ?

Who is gonna be Azor Ahai?



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This would drastically change the story and probably not for the better.

For starters, If Rhaegar and Cersei & Jaime and Elia married, there would be no incest kids as Jaime would be in Casterly Rock while Cersei would be in King’s Landing or on Dragonstone. While they could still get in bed with each other during the occasional visit, it would be few and far between.


I assume Rhaegar still kidnaps/runs away with Lyanna, which is what leads to RR. If Robert failed during the Battle On The Trident, Ned would probably be killed so he couldn’t relieve Storms End, which probably would have lead to the death of the inhabitants (even with Davos’s food.) Assuming R+L=J, if Jon is still born and Lyanna presumably dies, Jon would possibly get taken in by Rhaegar, the North (ruled presumably by Benjen) would be unlikely to see him. 


If RR failed then the Greyjoy Rebellion would not happen considering they were inspired by the success of Robert’s Rebellion. I also doubt the WoT5K would happen.


As for your lingering questions;

Dany’s would eventually just be married off (possibly to Viserys)

Littlefinger would never gain any power as he wouldn’t be appointed to Master of Coin due to the lack of Jon Arryn. 

FAegon would either not happen due to not being fake or would have to actually go by Aegon Blackfyre.

Nobody would hatch the dragon eggs, as they would never be given to Dany.


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What you get is a completely different story.  For an example of how too many changes can drastically affect the story you need to look no further than the show.  It's not even the same story anymore.  Same names and same places but that's all. 

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