Melonica Stormborn Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 Yes - camp Jon Aryn here. Ned's first two sons are named after his best friends - Robb and Jon.This. It's still a good name, though. It's a happy (and meaningful) coincidence that it's a kingly but inconspicuous name, and that both Rhaegar and Ned were close with people with the name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ibbison from Ibben Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 My hypothesis (not a theory until we have more data) is that Ned named the baby "Jon" so he could claim the boy was named after Jon Arryn as a cover story. His real name is Jonaerys. (Rhaegar and Lyanna might have discussed names in advance, but the common speculation is that Rhaegar was expecting a girl, to be named Visenya.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Cornholio! Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 I always figured the forshawoding was in his last name "Snow". That sounds pretty rich. Jon Snow, King of Winter. Interesting enough, people take to calling him Lord Snow pretty naturally (whether for jape or not). It seems natural. Theres probably a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted September 2, 2012 Share Posted September 2, 2012 This. It's still a good name, though. It's a happy (and meaningful) coincidence that it's a kingly but inconspicuous name, and that both Rhaegar and Ned were close with people with the name.Yes, everything just fits perfectly - the name is common, but still kingly, and it's after his best friend, just like his trueborn firstborn son Robb so no questions asked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I do believe that he was named after Jon Arryn but I also believe that his name is the "Westerosi match* of John Smith. My question however is: What whould be Jon's Targaryen name if Rhaegar hadn't died and he had named him? Since if he was a girl he would be Visenya, now that he is a boy what would be his name?Also what would be Jon's surname at the end as the King in the North? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Jon Snow Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I do believe that he was named after Jon Arryn but I also believe that his name is the "Westerosi match* of John Smith. My question however is: What whould be Jon's Targaryen name if Rhaegar hadn't died and he had named him? Since if he was a girl he would be Visenya, now that he is a boy what would be his name?Also what would be Jon's surname at the end as the King in the North?If he's KIng in the North? I assume he would be Jon Stark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 If he's KIng in the North? I assume he would be Jon Stark I don't see "Stark" as his surname. I think more something like: Diredragon or Snowdragon or Starkdragon or even Snow (because: Let me give you some advice bastard. Never forget what you are. The rest of the world will not. Wear it like armor, and it can never be used to hurt you.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anne-MelissaStone Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I do believe that he was named after Jon Arryn but I also believe that his name is the "Westerosi match* of John Smith. My question however is: What whould be Jon's Targaryen name if Rhaegar hadn't died and he had named him? Since if he was a girl he would be Visenya, now that he is a boy what would be his name?Also what would be Jon's surname at the end as the King in the North?Quite possibly Viscerys, like his uncle.Snow, or Waters, depending on where he was raised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Flandrensis Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Yes - camp Jon Aryn here. Ned's first two sons are named after his best friends - Robb and Jon.Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 It could be foreshadowing but not in the sense of driving Dany from Westeros. Why would he need to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Snow Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I don't see "Stark" as his surname. I think more something like: Diredragon or Snowdragon or Starkdragon or even Snow)"Starkgaryen"?JK, I think he'd go with "Stark," no matter who his father turns out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rahvin Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think the northmen will automatically call him Stark...Especially when he raises the Dire Wolf banner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevumar Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I don't think there's any foreshadowing in Jon's first name. Both Ned and Rhaegar would've had reason to name him Jon, but I do wonder if Rhaegar had a more "Targaryen" name in mind. If there's any foreshadowing about a Targaryen name for Jon, my bets are on his fascination with Daeron I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winds of Winter blow cold Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 It's not a-"jon" it''s pronounced A-GONE, which is why it's Dunk & EGG. Jon was named after Arynn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomiller Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Jon was named after Jon Arryn IMO. Was Arya? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bolivar Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 If Rhaegar had a third child, the name would undoubtedly be, or come from, Visenya. He had two children, Rhaenys and Aegon. He was naming his kids after the original three Targaryen conquerers/siblings. Rhaegar was obsessed with prophecy. He looked at Daenerys and said the Dragon must have three heads. My crackpot theory is that Daenerys is actually Rhaegar's third child, his bastard, and was meant to be Visenya, but her mother and retainers on Dragonstone chose Daenerys instead because they'd rather her be named after a bringer of peace rather than a bringer of war (the first Daenerys ended the wars of Dornish conquest). It also adds that extra layer of bitterness that all things ASoIaF are seasoned with, because she looks up to him so much, to find out he's not just her brother, he's her father.Anyway, on topic, I'm with the others. Robert and Arryn were Ned's closest friends and his comrades in the rebellion, it's only fitting his children born during the conflict were named after them. In AGoT, Ned refers to Arryn as a father (fostering Ned) who became a brother (marrying the Tully's at the same time). That last thing is something I miss about the older novels. Everything is told through dreams now, whereas in AGoT everything had really well-written, almost poetic descriptions written about them as the character reminiscing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walder Waters Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 He is named for Jon O'Nutten, father of Wylla, it is known ;)No, seriously, I am in camp Arryn.I don't see "Stark" as his surname. I think more something like: Diredragon or Snowdragon or Starkdragon or even SnowStarkgaryen, Snark, Snowcrow, Bloodsnow, Blacksnow, Wolfdragon, Snowmelter, Snowslayerknown as Heir-To-Thrones, The-Dragon-Who-Did-Not-Know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunk tha Lunk Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Perhaps there is a different kind of foreshadowing.Perhaps he is named after Jon Connington, Rhaegar's good friend. Perhaps Rhaegar wanted to honour his friend, whose love he could never return.wow thats deep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 If Rhaegar was Jon's dad, he was dead when Jon was born. If he wanted to honor a best friend, wouldn't he have called his son Arthur?ETA I'm bad in tracing things in So Spake Martin, but it can be found there: Jon is named by Ned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 The-Dragon-Who-Did-Not-KnowHahaha! Jon Snow aka Aegon the Unaware :DOn a more serious note, I think heroes extraordinaire like him would be known with a unique name or nickname, just like you said. We even have another example of Targ/Firstmen, who turned out to be pretty important, and he is our favorite Bloodraven aka The Three eyed crow. Sounds much better than Brynden Rivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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