Lothar Imbel Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Dying with a woman's name on his lips after having his chest caved in with a warhammer? Bit optimistic isn't it? I'd be more "oww fuck that really fucking hurt jesus christ" only with more gurgling as I coughed up my lungs. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where Boars Glow Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I think it's most probable that he said Lyanna rather than Visenya or any other name for that matter.Yeah, he was obsessed with the three dragon heads, but Lyanna was still the woman he loved.I am still not convicned of this perfect romantic attatchment between L + R. What are you using as refferance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 "Lollys". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where Boars Glow Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Maggy the frog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkantos Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 'Tysha', the name of his bastard daughter, whom Tyrion went on to marry, getting a Targ where Cersei couldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a free shadow Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 "You'll have to marry Cersei to hold the realm. Ha ha!"Although some say it was "Only Cat".Still a few witnesses claim he died out of breath trying to utter "Daenerys Stormborn, Mother of Dragons, Breaker of Shackles etc. etc." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zupoleon Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Given the context and other clues Martin leaves us, it's pretty safe to assume he said Lyanna... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexander Stark Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 STELLAAAAA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Independent George Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 "Owwwwwww." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alys Karstark Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 "You know nothing, Robert..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naik2902 Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 nymeria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 In reality, his final words were probably "urgh!" and "argh!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
june_miller Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Well, this is interesting. Which part of the Lyanna and Rhaegar love story is cliché? How often do princes cheat on their wives and run off with another woman to secretly engage in polygamy in order to satisfy the crazy?I've read a fair few romance novels through the years, but this clichéd trends of cheating princes somewhat obsessed with prophecies have escaped me. Care to give some recommendations for where they can be found?Maybe cliché is the wrong word, but R+L theory seems to perfectly fit with the chivalry stories of the old, or even the plot of some romantic stories of nowadays. A girl forced into marriage with someone she doesn't love. She runs away with her one true love, a beautiful prince admired by everybody who also is a wonderful singer . A war begins because of that. They both died in the end, him whispering her name while dying and her giving birth to the fruit of their love, The theory is just too perfect. Way romantic. The clues are too obvious. I don't think Martin would do that (or at least I hope not). The only way I see for this romance to work is to show both Rhaegar and Lyanna under not so sympathetic lights in the end.Because If they did that, what they did was very, very, selfish, which doesn't fit either with what was shown of Rhaegar and Lyanna in the books (a view which may be distorted by the people who loved them ). Lyanna, even though she was a teenager, seems responsible, thoughtful and sensitive. I don't think she would willingly run away with a married man father of two children leaving her family to deal with the terrible implications of such act. Rhaegar is more of a mystery to me. He seemed to have been a decent and honourable man, why he would run away with a girl, abandoning his wife and children, and knowing fully well the political consequences of that? The only way I see it working is if both (especially Rhaegar, since Lyanna is a teen), are not the decent people we thought they were. And no "great love story" would change that much. This affair sounds to me like Lancelot and Guinevere, like the songs Sansa used to love. And we know fully well Westero isn't like Sansa's songs.Maybe Robert vision's of Rhaegar may be colored by hate or maybe not. I don't discount Robert's view of him or the theory that he kidnapped and raped Lyanna, he may have been one of the few (or the only one) who saw Rhaegar's true face. Who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where Boars Glow Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Maybe cliché is the wrong word, but R+L theory seems to perfectly fit with the chivalry stories of the old, or even the plot of some romantic stories of nowadays. A girl forced into marriage with someone she doesn't love. She runs away with her one true love, a beautiful prince admired by everybody who also is a wonderful singer . A war begins because of that. They both died in the end, him whispering her name while dying and her giving birth to the fruit of their love, The theory is just too perfect. Way romantic. The clues are too obvious. I don't think Martin would do that (or at least I hope not). The only way I see for this romance to work is to show both Rhaegar and Lyanna under not so sympathetic lights in the end.Because If they did that, what they did was very, very, selfish, which doesn't fit either with what was shown of Rhaegar and Lyanna in the books (a view which may be distorted by the people who loved them ). Lyanna, even though she was a teenager, seems responsible, thoughtful and sensitive. I don't think she would willingly run away with a married man father of two children leaving her family to deal with the terrible implications of such act? Rhaegar is more of a mystery to me. He seemed to have been a decent and honourable man, why he would run away with a girl, abandoning his wife and children, and knowing fully well the political consequences of that? The only way I see it working is if both (especially Rhaegar, since Lyanna is a teen), are not the decent people we thought they were. And no "great love story" would change that much. This affair sounds to me like Lancelot and Guinevere, like the songs Sansa used to love. And we know fully well Westero isn't like Sansa's songs.Maybe Robert vision's of Rhaegar maybe be colored by hate or maybe not. I don't discount Robert's view of him or the theory that he kidnapped and raped Lyanna, he may have been one of the few (or the only one) who saw Rhaegar's true face. Who knows?I did a thread questioning this: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/73963-crackpot-what-if-rhaegar-is-the-embodiment-of-all-that-is-evil/#entry3611749I just don't see how this love story works.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juli Greyjoy Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Lyanna. It is known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sneak Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I'm pretty sure in Dany's vision it says something like he died saying the name of the woman he loved. So I think it's Lyanna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
june_miller Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I did a thread questioning this: http://asoiaf.wester...l/#entry3611749I just don't see how this love story works....Thanks for the topic.I actually think R+L is a cute theory, but not in the world of Westeros (or in the real world). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FittleLinger Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 Thanks for the topic.I actually think R+L is a cute theory, but not in the world of Westeros (or in the real world).What if it was not a love story? What if he was just trying to fulfill a prophecy? What if what he really did was really bad, but he thought it was for the greater good?Anyway, I believe in R+L=J based on "physical evidence", whether they were truly in love or not is a bit irrelevant to me. But heck, maybe they really were in love. Martin is realistic, and "cliches" as you call them sometimes happen in real life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
june_miller Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 What if it was not a love story? What if he was just trying to fulfill a prophecy? What if what he really did was really bad, but he thought it was for the greater good?Anyway, I believe in R+L=J based on "physical evidence", whether they were truly in love or not is a bit irrelevant to me. But heck, maybe they really were in love. Martin is realistic, and "cliches" as you call them sometimes happen in real life.I used the "love" angle because most people believe in it. But among all, the prophecy motivation for Rhaegar is the most believable for me. We just need to know Lyanna's role in the story (I believe she was kidnapped). The love story maybe true also, I didn't rule out. It's just a bit simplistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsManderly Posted October 1, 2012 Share Posted October 1, 2012 I find it kind of ironic and sad that not one of the posts here even entertain the possibility that the woman's name he said might be that of his wife: Elia. As in the one he married and had two kids with? The one he probably horribly embarassed and hurt with the whole Lyanna business? Not to mention the one whose death, and the death of whose child(ren), he remotely caused by starting the whole bloody mess with Miss Blue Winter Roses?Geez! Even Lollys got a mention for pete's sake! :shocked: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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