Winterz Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sorry. I meant the Red Keep. Syrio helped of course but she kept her shit together and evaded capture. Then she survived for a long time in Flea Bottom on her own despite being a rich kid who had never had to worry about basic survival before. She's got a ways to go yet, but she is a child still. I was going on potential and raw intelligence as well as previous actions.Arya is certainly smart, very impressive considering her current age but I think her early intelligence came more as a survivalist. It's only in Braavos that she finally develops other ways of intellectuality besides survival. Of the Stark kids, I'd put Arya intelligence right after Bran's on top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Maybe you should actually spell your word correctly as that would be Husn not Huson.Being able to understand a map is part of a navigator's job, while mathematicians don't perform medicine.Also, George has said he is Dumb as a Stump thus there is that.that's how it's spelled on my map and did vic have a map of essos and ya he's dumb i'm just arguing for the sake of arguing (kinda bored sorry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otherbeef Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 That might be so but it still strikes me as very strange, considering how much Margaery suffered with this.did she? she spent very little time arrested before being released to Tarly's custody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiola Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I'd call Ned naive before I'd call him dumb.Without thinking too hard, and off the top of my head...A few of the dumbest would have to be Viserys, Joffrey, and Cersei.The smart ones are Varys, Mance, and in his own way, Davos.The list of 5 is harder to make than I thought it would be-- a lot of characters are smart with a few dumb decisions (Tywin, with his mistreating of his children, mostly Tyrion, his entire life and not assuming that could backfire), or dumb with a few smart decisions (Robb Stark, gods rest his soul) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 that's how it's spelled on my mapand did vic have a map of essosand ya he's dumb i'm just arguing for the sake of arguing (kinda bored sorry)Normally, it is considered smart navigating to have a map of the area you are sailing to in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Normally, it is considered smart navigating to have a map of the area you are sailing to in my opinion.well he was sailing to meereen then had to take this detour so he ought to have the maps to meereen not the dothraki sea also the spelling is wrong wherever you got it from that's how it's spelled on the towns sign (i've been there on a visit ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogLover Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Smartest:BloodravenVarysLittlefingerAemon ManceDumbest:JoffreyCerseiVictarion ChettBalon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I surprised that Jon Snow is topping everyone's dumbest list.In how he knows nothing. yuk yuk yuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheStarkWolf Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Smartest:LittlefingerTyrionTywinLord VarysMelisandre(Yes, she's manipulative. But she knows what she's doing.)Dumbest:Daenerys(her downfall was trying to be the "liberator. Cute but tactless)Cersei(her POVs have verified that)Arianne MartellStannis(HAHAHAHA HE ACTUALLY THINKS HE WILL SIT THE RIGHTFUL THRONECatelyn(even though she died...i think she was incredibly smart in her decisions but her decisions depended too much on other people fulfilling their side of the bargain which...was dumb) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Smart:LittlefingerDoranVarysTyrionDavosDumb:CerseiJaimeDanyDarkstarGendry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Ice Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Smart:LittlefingerDoranVarysTyrionDavosDumb:CerseiJaimeDanyDarkstarGendryAgree with all of this. I have to ask why Davos though? Hes a good man and all but do we have proof of his intelligence? He learned to read at his age which is impressive but other than that i cant see much else.Please enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Agree with all of this. I have to ask why Davos though? Hes a good man and all but do we have proof of his intelligence? He learned to read at his age which is impressive but other than that i cant see much else.Please enlighten me.Davos understood that sword isn't Lightbringer, he sensed Tyrion;s trap and even counseled Imry Florent caution. He proved himself quite capable and resourceful when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Agree with all of this. I have to ask why Davos though? Hes a good man and all but do we have proof of his intelligence? He learned to read at his age which is impressive but other than that i cant see much else.Please enlighten me.Being a smuggler takes brains and he was the best there was and he also gives Davos the best advice we have actually seen in the books,He's by far the best Hand to be seen in ASoIaF.and also all of this.Davos understood that sword isn't Lightbringer, he sensed Tyrion;s trap and even counseled Imry Florent caution. He proved himself quite capable and resourceful when needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Hound! Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Well, since I count the gathering of information as part of intelligence, there is only one logical answer and I'm astonished he has not been named once so far.Most intelligent:1. Bloodraven (he has an unlimited amount of information)...2. Varys3. LF4. Tywin5. Doranmost stupid:1. any Dothraki (ignorant savages... it is known)2. Janos Slynt ("Edd. Fetch me a block.")3. Grenn4. Brienne5. DanyWhy would having the most amount of information make you the most intelligent?It's what you do with the information - any fool can gather data, but acting wisely on it is a different matter. The NSA probably has the biggest database in the world, does that make them intelligent?Not saying Bloodraven is stupid, but if we want to measure intelligence, we have to study what the characters do with the information they have.So I agree that Davos is pretty intelligent since he has never made a bad call.And Victarion is not stupid because he doesn't know that the Dothraki Sea is not a sea. Ignorant, yes, stupid, no. This is not the same thing. Education is no substitute for intelligence, educated people can be stupid too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaegarsjoy Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If you're saying most intelligent not smart than:1- Tyrion2- maester Aemon3- LF4- Tywin5- DoranStupid 1- Sansa2- Joffrey3- Robert Baratheon 4- Jon Arryn 5- lysa fw tully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prince of Ice Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Davos understood that sword isn't Lightbringer, he sensed Tyrion;s trap and even counseled Imry Florent caution. He proved himself quite capable and resourceful when needed.Sensing Tyrions trap and cautioning Imry were both from being a military mind. Just because someone has talent for military duties doesnt mean their that intelligent.No ones calling Ned, Bob, Robb, Stannis, or many other military minds as most intelligent. For Lightbringer im not so sure, how did Davos come to that conclusion that it wasnt real? Been months since my last re-read.Let me also make this clear im not saying he isn't intelligent i just don't know if its enough to be in the top five most intelligent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Reaver Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Normally, it is considered smart navigating to have a map of the area you are sailing to in my opinion.Thing is, Vic isn't sailing to the Dothraki sea. For obvious reasons. Him having a map to the Slaver's bay is no assurance that that map also shows inland geography. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 If you're saying most intelligent not smart than:1- Tyrion2- maester Aemon3- LF4- Tywin5- DoranStupid1- Sansa2- Joffrey3- Robert Baratheon4- Jon Arryn5- lysa fw tullysansa is not stupid she's extremely intelligent and will have the last laugh when she takes pedofinger out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Stupid4- Jon ArrynWhy is Jon Arryn stupid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Sensing Tyrions trap and cautioning Imry were both from being a military mind. Just because someone has talent for military duties doesnt mean their that intelligent.No ones calling Ned, Bob, Robb, Stannis, or many other military minds as most intelligent. For Lightbringer im not so sure, how did Davos come to that conclusion that it wasnt real? Been months since my last re-read.Let me also make this clear im not saying he isn't intelligent i just don't know if its enough to be in the top five most intelligentMy reasons were based more on his days a Smuggler and his counsel as Hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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