WLU Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I hate you, whelp. Don't feel bad. She could have said she wished she was separated from you by two oceans :cry: Unyearded Pita's use of a double-negative regards R.A. Salvatore makes my head hurt. Though I wish I had read his death-wishing post, I'd probably have agreed with it. Though really, I don't wish death upon the Yeard, I wish that he could realize how his books are truly percieved by the majority of people, not his rabid, leg-humping and kowtowing fans. Fluff. Banal, repetitive fluff. Take that pretentious balding one! I wish I was bald, I hate getting haircuts. Whenever I see the smooth, shiny pate of a hyper-testosteroned fellow man, I envy him, deeply. Curse this lush, full head of shiny, springy, fine and soft hair of mine! Curse it! Were I going bald, I'd shave it off, I certainly wouldn't grow a yeard. Why do authors seem to go in for beards? Lazy? Snacks? Dignity? If it's the latter, someone should have a brief word with Martin; I love him to death but his grooming does not equal dignity. I'm weaning myself off the medication today. Doesn't seem to be helping wiht the non-sequitors. Chickens that are not chickens still taste like chicken. Everything tastes like chicken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man Who Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I think they would taste like fast food chicken, which is also chicken which is not chicken but evil incarnate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 The thread lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be'lal Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 One thing that struck me about this most recent book (yes, I read it. I was very, very, very bored). The scene where he orders his army to ravage the Old World- written by someone else, that scene could have been great. It could have been the story of a simple young man corrupted by power and drawn down a truly dark road- without even realizing it. As a matter of fact, if that was a central theme, the series could have been an excellent story. But then when I thought about it I realized that the series would have needed to be completly re-worked to be good, and then it wouldn't have been the same series. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelp Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Don't feel bad. She could have said she wished she was separated from you by two oceans :cry: I don't feel bad - from hate comes love, in a sick, twisted, BDSM-filled way...which is just perfect in a Tairy thread And I think I'm separated from her by two-three oceans, so she need not worry @Jaxom 1974: If they're chickens that are not chickens, but evil incarnate, do they still taste like chicken? And would you need BBQ sauce? Well, if these creatures are prepared correctly (using either a roundhouse kick by Chuck Norris or a boomstick bought in S-Mart), they do indeed taste like chicken. As for sauce, you should use the Tears of the Yeard, a rare and potent magical ingredient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melkolmr Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 One thing that struck me about this most recent book (yes, I read it. I was very, very, very bored). The scene where he orders his army to ravage the Old World- written by someone else, that scene could have been great. It could have been the story of a simple young man corrupted by power and drawn down a truly dark road- without even realizing it. As a matter of fact, if that was a central theme, the series could have been an excellent story. But then when I thought about it I realized that the series would have needed to be completly re-worked to be good, and then it wouldn't have been the same series. . Wow, this is honestly the most apt assessment of Goodkind's series I've ever seen. I still sort of enjoy it as escapist fantasy literature (OH NOES) and even though Goodkind might not have the technical ability of a master wordsmith, I think without all the preaching and child-kicking it could have been an interesting story to say the least. What you say is true though, there's actually a lot of unacknowledged potential in the series. Too bad Oh Yearded One is the author... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From that One Book Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 As for sauce, you should use the Tears of the Yeard, a rare and potent magical ingredient. I hear those also cure cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WLU Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 I hear those also cure cancer. You're thinking of either Jack Bauer or Chuck Norris. The Yeard's tears cause cancer. The thread lives. May I ask a very simple question? If you guys hate Mr. Goodkind so much, why is it that you spend so much time talking about him? I mean don't you have something better to do with your time than sit around getting kudos from each other on your mutual self hate of an author you've never met? 'Cause it's fun, it's kinda like picking a scab, he deserves it, someone has to, and after 11 000 posts, we're kinda addicted. Plus, I think we're on a roll. I served in Iraq. I lost several people to some of these evils. When Mr. Goodkind talks about evil, he is showing the lowest forms of human existance. People that are so vile they care nothing about violating the rights of everyone around them. Rape is a tool to that violation. Rape exists in the every day world so why can Mr. Goodkind not use it to illustrate the point and problem with evil? What does SilverStar think about the evil of invading a country for the oil? Oh, I'm sorry, it was because of their possession of WMD. Which they didn't have. And why are they being so 'evil'? Is it possibly related to the invading army, which is currently an occupying army, for the country that is basically using it as an oil-dispensing cash cow? Rape is a very, very bad thing. It is not a thing to be savoured, trivialized through constant overuse, or as a tool to generate false tension in a story. The Second Rule. The greatest harm can come from the best of intentions. How is that not true? How is this a bad rule? We should all take some time to think about what our actions will wrought. We should htink about the consequences. Intentions and outcomes are only tenuously related, only through excellent planning and constant supervision can your intentions have any bearing on outcomes of actions. It's not a great insight, it's a trivial and obvious one. Passion rules Reason. The thrid rule. Ok, again how is this a bad thing to think about. How many of us, when we were angry did or said things we later regretted because we spoke in the "heat of the moment." This rule merely says watch out for it. Yeah, but it's the proclamation of the obvious as if it were a great and hidden truth that grates - of course it's not a bad thing to know, but to think that you need to write a whole book about it is just stupid. The Fourth. There is magic in forgiveness; in the forgiveness you give, but more so in the forgiveness you receive. How many of us felt the loads off our back when we were forgiven for a miss step, or a mistake. How many of us felt the load off our back when we forgave another. The Bible says "Forgive least ye not be forgiven." (And no I'm not comparring SoT to the Bible) so the concept of forgiveness stretches beyond the Fourth book int he series. Preaching about forgiveness when Richard seems to spend more time killing, is kinda dumb. The fifth. Mind what people do, not only what they say for deeds will betray a lie. Meaning practice what you preach. If you say you're going to do something do it. You can lie in more ways than just talking. Again where is the problem? The sixth. The only sovereign you can allow to rule you is reason. Never follow blindly because somebody says they're more powerful than you are. Always reason your actions and and make sure all of your actions are the actions you're really choosing to take. Never submit to something for the sake of submission, rather follow because it is the right thing, for you, to do. The seventh. Life is the future, not the past. The past can teach us, through experience, how to accomplish things in the future, comfort us with cherished memories, and provide the foundation of what has already been accomplished. But only the future holds life. Again what is wrong with this. Do not dwell on what has been, but rather look for what will be. As above. These are not subtle insights to the depths of human nature, these are things you'd read in a fortune cookie or hallmark card. Number eight. Deserve Victory. Embrace when you win. Never feel ashamed for embracing life. Never feel ashamed for who you are. Embrace everything and live holding your head up high. Coprophiles? On a more serious note, pedophiles? Serial killers? Adulterers? Enron executives? What if you 'win' at the expense of someone else? Pure individualism unbalanaced with compassion or the good of the many is basically exploitation. Nine. A contradiction can not exist in reality. Reality is based on what is real and before us, and what can be proven. There can be no contradictions in that reality because reality is the same for us all. OK, this is just bullshit. Contradictions exist everywhere in human understanding, because human understanding is flawed. Contradictions can exist in the same person because of subconscious conflicts. Contradictions can not exist in nature becuase nature just IS, but our understanding of nature is flawed. This is a trivial rule for nature, but it's totally irrelevant for humans and human understanding, because contradictions DO exist, within and across people. To ignore contradictions is to put a black and white order on a grey world. It's Goodkind's rejection of the grey in the world that disgusts us. Tenth, Willfully turning aside from the truth, is treason to oneself. Never live a lie. Again... why is this hard to accept? Truth is subjective, not objective. There is a 2500 year history of the examination of the 'truth' (epistemology, going back to Ancient Greece), and after that whole time, we haven't really gotten anywhere concrete. TRUTH IS NOT OBJECTIVE. None of these rules, (only discussing the rules because thats what this thread is titled as) are beyond our comprehension. Everyone can understand them, and even if you do not agree with them, I'm sure you can see how others can and will. I understand them, I just think they're dumb. I dont think that anyone that dislikes Mr. Goodkind, just doesnt understand. I dont think that anyone who hates the books hates life. I dont think that you're deludded or wrong because you have this opinion or that. I just think you're being a little too hard on his fans and on him in general. If you dont like him, don't buy his books. If you dont like him, there are thousands of other authors out there to choose from. If you dont like him thats fine. But dont treat me or anyone else as less of a person becuase we do enjoy him. YOU JUST DON'T GET IT LOLZ is not an argument. It's an aesthetic preference - we like things a little more complicated than Yeardii. That we keep getting arguments like this from his fans is why we keep mocking them. I stay away from other fora because I know that ultimately it's an aesthetic preference that is unlikely to shift on either side. I don't think SS is less of a person, just naive, short-sighted, or simplistic in her moral views. G'wan Werth, post a link on Chronicles. You know you want to. Or if SilverStar is watching, I invite you to engage me in a discussion. I won't name call, I won't belittle your opinions, I'll try to play nice as best I can. I'll even cite sources if I can find them or need to. I guarantee, if we have a civilized discussion, we'll end up staring at each other across the thread with an intractable difference of opinion that we can agree with civility is never going to change. That's why I don't post on TG.net - it's pointless and no-one thinks I'm funny. Plus, Mystar's a douche who makes me mad 'cause (like the Yeard) his reach ever exceeds his grasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isgrimner Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 You're thinking of either Jack Bauer or Chuck Norris. The Yeard's tears cause cancer. What force would be enough to be able to bring The Yeard to tears? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melkolmr Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 Donating to charity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pita Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 If one of us were to donate a copy of FotF to charity, I think the world will explode. I wanted to do something like that for a while. Any last words, peeps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted September 20, 2007 Share Posted September 20, 2007 G'wan Werth, post a link on Chronicles. You know you want to. Or if SilverStar is watching, I invite you to engage me in a discussion. I won't name call, I won't belittle your opinions, I'll try to play nice as best I can. I'll even cite sources if I can find them or need to. I guarantee, if we have a civilized discussion, we'll end up staring at each other across the thread with an intractable difference of opinion that we can agree with civility is never going to change. That's why I don't post on TG.net - it's pointless and no-one thinks I'm funny. Sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Maid Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share Posted September 21, 2007 The thread lives. Hasn't SilverStar been...discussed before in the past GK thread. IIRC, some even thought it might be m****r, but he said she wasn't him. And WLU, another high quality post. Passion rules Reason. The thrid rule. Ok, again how is this a bad thing to think about. How many of us, when we were angry did or said things we later regretted because we spoke in the "heat of the moment." This rule merely says watch out for it. I wonder how many times did Richard and Kahlan regret a moment of passion over reason? Did Richard regret kicking Violet's jaw or killing the protestors? Did Kahlan regret punishing her abused, raped half-sister with another rape? And where was Kahlan's forgiveness for her sister and brother? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 G'wan Werth, post a link on Chronicles. You know you want to. Or if SilverStar is watching, I invite you to engage me in a discussion. I won't name call, I won't belittle your opinions, I'll try to play nice as best I can. I'll even cite sources if I can find them or need to. I guarantee, if we have a civilized discussion, we'll end up staring at each other across the thread with an intractable difference of opinion that we can agree with civility is never going to change. That's why I don't post on TG.net - it's pointless and no-one thinks I'm funny. Plus, Mystar's a douche who makes me mad 'cause (like the Yeard) his reach ever exceeds his grasp. I've had the pleasure of engaging in debate with SilverStar, and while she is not stupid or immature, she does have the drawback of believing in the O'ist philosophy, making her unwilling to even listen to your side. I think this is the problem with many Yeardites: their beliefs are formed around a simplified form of an overly simplistic philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be'lal Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Have we ever considered: If they're chickens that are not chickens, but evil incarnate, do they still taste like chicken? And would you need BBQ sauce? The evil makes them zesty. The liquid for one hundred miles around Cthulhu's lair is extra-spicy buffalo sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Maid Posted September 21, 2007 Author Share Posted September 21, 2007 I thought the evil made them...spicy, but meh, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry. Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Great, now I'm hungry for spicy chicken...or am I confused and I'm really hungry for spicy evil incarnate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max the Mostly Mediocre Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 You mean you're lusting after Margaret Thatcher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From that One Book Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 You're thinking of either Jack Bauer or Chuck Norris. The Yeard's tears cause cancer. My mistake! If one of us were to donate a copy of FotF to charity, I think the world will explode. I wanted to do something like that for a while. Any last words, peeps? I left a copy of Phantom on our library's "take a book, leave a book" rack. (Taking more particular advantage of the "leave" part. I didn't need a romance novel featuring dukes and heaving bosoms. Or at least another one. *Cough*) Anyway, does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mossman Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 You're thinking of either Jack Bauer or Chuck Norris. The Yeard's tears cause cancer. Rectal cancer. You must be specific. What does SilverStar think about the evil of invading a country for the oil? Oh, I'm sorry, it was because of their possession of WMD. Which they didn't have. No, no, no. It's because the 911 perpetrators were all Iraqis.... oh, wait, they were Saudi Arabian. Never mind. Rape is a very, very bad thing. It is not a thing to be savoured, trivialized through constant overuse, or as a tool to generate false tension in a story. Rape is bad? Shhhh!!! You've just pissed off all the romance novel readers in the world. You'd have to get rid of the entire genre if you couldn't have women falling in love with their rapists. Intentions and outcomes are only tenuously related, only through excellent planning and constant supervision can your intentions have any bearing on outcomes of actions. It's not a great insight, it's a trivial and obvious one. Wonder how the Yeard would feel about Larry Craig's intentions? Preaching about forgiveness when Richard seems to spend more time killing, is kinda dumb. As above. These are not subtle insights to the depths of human nature, these are things you'd read in a fortune cookie or hallmark card. Be fair. Richard forgave those pacifists for not... oh, I'm wrong again. Never mind. Contradictions can not exist in nature becuase nature just IS, but our understanding of nature is flawed. 1. The platypus 2. Dennis Rodman I understand them, I just think they're dumb. I tried that line on my wife in reference to her family. Didn't work out so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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