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  1. A spoon of knife and fork

    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Could we not openly talk about filming spoilers please? I didn't even open the marked spoilers and yet I have deduced without any difficulty what they are about. meh maybe I'll just stay away from forums until the end of next season. Oh well.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    This is actually my POV as well. I think that Tormund and Brienne exists mainly as comic relief plus a way for Brienne to realize she is sexually desirable to some men (something she previously believed was not possible). I'm totally unsure what will happen, which is GREAT! I love being surprised I just dislike all this talk of "oh Jaimes the only one for her etc". Because if GRRM is really trying to write realistic fiction (and he is) then the romantic relationships should be somewhat realistic too. Perfect matches don't exist IRL.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    You asked him to say how it would be written believably. I took that to mean you wanted him to literally write a script of scene or scenes setting up Tormund and Brienne to see if you'd agree that it met your standards. You want to know how it is possible for a scene to be written where Tormund and Brienne become friends without it interfering with Jaime and Brienne. I still don't understand what one has to do with the other. They are orthogonal you are back to saying they have nothing in common even after several times people have discussed things they have in common. again it does seem to be a futile effort. So again, I don't see what response could be give to your challenge that wouldn't be turned around.
  4. A spoon of knife and fork

    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    This is actually my POV as well. I think that Tormund and Brienne exists mainly as comic relief plus a way for Brienne to realize she is sexually desirable to some men (something she previously believed was not possible). I'm totally unsure what will happen, which is GREAT! I love being surprised I just dislike all this talk of "oh Jaimes the only one for her etc". Because if GRRM is really trying to write realistic fiction (and he is) then the romantic relationships should be somewhat realistic too. Perfect matches don't exist IRL.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    While I liked thoh in that it was nice to see two characters I liked being happy, I felt like Eowyns sudden realization upon meeting Faramir that she doesn't care about fighting or leading or honor to be some pretty retrograde BS to be honest. Certainly don't agree that this being her "true nature" was built up as a likely event through the previous books. One could argue Tormund has over time become much more Westerosi than he was - just as Jon took on some Wildling traits, Tormund has come to respect some "kneelers" and accept some of their ways. Part of what Jaime and Briennes development has included is Brienne coming to see the world as much less black and white. Could keep going that direction even after he's gone, I suppose. One could argue that Sansa and Briene also were "randomly thrown together" in Season 6 but I think that is very likely to happen in the book, eventually. I have always agreed with this. If Brienne and Sansa end up in the North eventually the same stuff could happen. This may just be D and D compressing time.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    This is sort of getting into the realm of fanfic which IMO is really not going to get anywhere. It's an excersize in futility. Basically someone will propose a set of circumstances that could work, you'll say "eh that's not likely" they'll present another you'll say "eh that's not likely". And that's how it's gone so far. Bottom line is I really don't think it's going to be a productive conversation. So why even bother to ask the question? Brienne and Tormund can en friends without it "interfering" in her romantic relationship with Jaime. She is already friends with Podrick and that certainly won't be getting in the way. Unless you think women and men can't "really" just be friends? I suppose if Jaime dies early enough theres plenty of time. There are a lot of people who thought Jaime would die at the end of S6 and would never encounter Brienne again.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    I've always been a fan of Jaime X Dany
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    There's just way too many what ifs to make any kind of prediction about what will or won't happen. Thus I don't really understand why there's such hostility to this concept. will Jaime die? And when? Could be anywhere from early S 7 to the last episode. where will Brienne go? If she goes north right away, there could be Brienne - Tormund friendship before Jaime dies. If not, then not so much. Will Tormund die? His death could be useful for plot development in the north. Id put his risk of death as equal to Jaimes. Will Brienne die? It's possible for sure.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Side? "I am on no ones side... For no one is in my side..." I actually don't personally think Tormund and Brienne is going anywhere. I just don't think it's completely ridiculous, in the case that Jaime is dead. And similarly I am not in any way predicting that Tormund and Brienne must happen because Faramir and Eowyn did. I'm only saying that if they did, the parallels/comparisons would be clear. D&D can choose to go that direction and it can make sense. They can also choose another direction. I don't see it as much different from interpreting Jaime and Brienne in the context of the central relationship in BatB. Of course the main difference, and the one we've been talking about, is that Jaime and Brienne have interacted a lot more. Which could change.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Brienne has directly interacted with none of these people except Davos (who is married?), and none of them has shown any particular interest in her. Its would be very weird for them to turn their mentor/mentee relationship into a romance, IMO. It's demonstrably platonic on both sides. Based on the book, we know that Brienne wants someone who is close to her in combat, and who also appreciates her for her skills. So far only Renly, Jaime, and Tormund have qualified. It's not a bad start for him at any rate. Jaime is good hearted, in my opinion. He is also loyal. These are things that Brienne sees In him and loves though others do not. Why should being these things be points on Jaimes side but not Tormunds? I'm just asking for a little consistency. Or are you saying that Brienne only poves Jaime because he's actually a bad guy? Because I think quite the opposite. How on earth do you know this? Many people can be good for every person. There is no "the one". There are many "pretty goods" for every person. See link in my reply to sweetsunray...
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    at no point did I tell anyone that they shouldn't discuss the books so point your fingers elsewhere. you yourself are constantly using other literature to support your arguments. It's ridiculous for you to then turn around and claim my citing another book is somehow invalid. ETA: The deleted scene was mentioned by Sophie Turner And Gwen Christie in interviews: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/game-of-thrones-season-6-gwendoline-christie-brienne-tormund-romance-deleted-scene-a7044541.html
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    I think everyone is being a bit hard on poor @Cron. Certainly many stories have had less build up for future romantic interactions that have eventually occurred. What sprung to mind for me was the whole Faramir - Eowyn thing at the end of RotK. She's obsessed with Aragorn for 1.5 books (and in some ways, IMO, Brienne is written by GRRM to be a much more realistic vision of what an Eowyn-like character could be), but then Tolkien writes Houses of Healing after the main action is over and bam, now Eowyn and Faramir will be together. Even though they never even met. Of course Tolkien was a less character-driven writer than GRRM so I would generally expect GRRM to do things a bit more slowly and organically. But we can't say there is no precedent in literature for a character getting over the loss of someone they love and hints of them getting together with someone else at the end. And I think that's what Cron is saying - that maybe what we'll see while Brienne is mourning Jaime, is some friendship building up between Tormund and her, assuming both of them are alive and Brienne is still with Sansa in the North (lots of assumptions there!). Not that we'll see them making out or whatever. Just some hints. And they do have a lot in common, actually. Both are very loyal people, who have good hearts. Both are great warriors - for God's sake, they both bit off some dude's ear!!! We also do have a deleted scene where Brienne and Sansa discuss Tormund, so it's being a bit willfully blind to say that there is NO groundwork at all. Obviously there would have to be more scenes of them interacting to show this is possible but I think that's exactly what Cron is saying right?? Even though I'm a huge fan of the Jaime - Brienne relationship I don't really believe in star-crossed love, or one true love or anything like that. I think they are a great match for each other and they each helped each other grow as people. But I equally think they are COMPLETELY DOOMED and I think that both of them know that, which is part of why it's so great...
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    I don't think it's so off topic, Since Jaime and Cersei and their relationship are tied closely to what can happen with Brienne. Ok so that's in the scene Cersei is basically like "hey we should team up again or whatever". And Jaime's generally supportive of that (I forget if he has any lines in that scene) whereas Kevan and Olenna are like "thanks but no thanks Lannister Scum", right? I think we have to think about what Jaime knows here. Also what Kevan and Olenna don't know. He knows that Cersei F'd up, and he knows that the Tyrells are in the same boat Cersei was. He might not know that it's Cersei's fault Margaery and Loras are in the clutches of the HS. Obviously Kevan and Olenna THINK he knows this which is why they are equally disdainful towards him. Show!Jaime believes that Cersei regrets what she did, and wants to make amends with the Tyrells. He'd be a complete dick if he turned on Cersei in that room - she's doing exactly what we would expect her to do if she is sincere in her regret. Meanwhile Kevan and Olenna didn't see Cersei after Myrcella came home - they don't see her quite genuine sorrow like Jaime did. To them this seems like just more of Cersei's games (which it is). I suspect Jaime will be angry but Cersei will no longer give a crap about what Jaime thinks of her. She will be more similar to the book version next season, IMO, disdainful and belittling towards him. But, we'll see! It will be interesting for sure... Oops, I didn't mean to imply that you had started rant threads. I meant please don't start a thread like the one you linked (though I'm SURE someone will start such a thread about how D&D ruined Jaime unless he literally murders Cersei in ep 1). Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Is there some specific scenes where you think he is "acting like a puppet?" Besides going to riverlands and what he told cersei in ep 1? Yikes, thanks for the reminder why I don't read these forums while the show is running. The OP seems to be speculating about material from ep 1 and ep 2 alone. And ignores any interpretation of events other than a "the sky is falling Jaime is now evil" one. i find basically all of the commentary in that thread to be shallow and reactionary. It even includes rants about out of context material from trailers... If there's a particular argument which you'd like to discuss From there I'm interested to hear it. He will have to deal with her to some extent next season. So please don't start another rant thread if he doesn't kill or abandon her instantly please.
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    [Book Spoilers] Jaime & Brienne- What's going on?

    Jaime is dealing with the classic problem that he always has been - which duty should come first? By securing the Riverlands to the Freys, Jaime is honoring a promise made by his father. In a Feudal society, titles as well as duties are inherited. Secondly, he was commanded to do this duty by his King. Finally, in the book Riverrun is basically the last hold out in this war. If they surrender then the Kings army can get back to protecting the people (instead of murdering them) and the the people can get back to collecting crops and preparing for winter. Jaimes duty to protect the weak and helpless may be facilitated by the surrender of Riverrun (BF kicked out all the smallfolk so he's not protecting them either). On the other side of it you have Jaimes promise not to raise arms against Tully nor Stark. you also have the duty every knight has to "act with honor". Which means NOT doing things like supporting evil guest-right breaking fiends, or threatening to catapult babies or the like. Hes going to be breaking some promise either he made or he's honoring for someone else. I think he is a bit stuck here, yes. He now is a bit freer to act in the future because A) Tommen is dead and b ) Cersei is a despot. Jaime doesn't have duty to the crown any longer. If it was easy that wouldn't be good drama. Tyrion will probably be helpful in the break from Cersei. He is after all a Lannister too.
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