The_Watcher_On_The_Walls

6 hours ago, CamiloRP said:

@Lunabricot @Tucu My thinking, and I'm nowhere near sure this is the case, but I find it the most likely, is that the COTF are playing both sides, sending visions to both Men and Other to drive war between them and take Westeros back from them. I think they needed  someone to get the Direwolf mother south by opening the Black Gate while simultaneously leading the LOWF to the puppies, so they can have influence over the family of the GOTN. After all, we see the DW alter the minds of the Starks and Ghost is the one who finds the corpses who then try to murder Mormont. 

I really like this theory, especially considering Ghost is the one who alerted Jon when the wights attack Mormont, giving Jon his first hero moment and setting everything in motion regarding Jon being groomed and eventually being named LC. 

I agree that the bridge of skulls is probably too far to get around and back to Winterfell or near enough to it. 
My guess is that he’d have to have free climbed the wall at one of those points where the ground has built up behind it and walked along the top til he found something to help him down the other side. 

23 hours ago, Tucu said:

Will's watch ended that night and they do not accept wights in the NW.

Lol for a minute I was wondering what you were on about, like why would the watch not accept the existence of the others?

I’m the goose, I meant Gared. 

8 hours ago, Angel Eyes said:

You mean Gared; Will got strangled by wight!Waymar while Gared lost his head to Ned. In the books anyway.

True, it’s Gared not Will. In any case the question remains.... He’d been longer on the wall than Mormont, by all accounts he was a seasoned veteran of the watch  

I could entertain him being driven mad by the events and going AWOL, but it’s never clarified. Besides, when the Others showed up later no one lost their shit like he supposedly did. 

Why didn’t Will go back to the wall instead of deserting after the prologue?

3 hours ago, Alexis-something-Rose said:

"Four," called a monstrously fat Yunkishman from the litter where he sprawled like a leviathan. Covered all in yellow silk fringed with gold, he looked as large four Illyrios. (Tyrion X, ADwD 47)

Woah. That settles it, Yezzan is king behemoth. 

If I ever disagree with Rhaenys_Targaryen, someone be sure to tap me on the shoulder. 
 

Small question: Who’s the fattest out of Yezzan zo Qaggaz, Lord Manderly and Illyrio Mopatis?

On 5/23/2020 at 12:20 AM, JeffJeremy said:

Did the Clegane brothers still have brothers or sisters?

They had a dad and a sister but they both got Gregor’d 

edit: grammar

If there’s a repeat of the last hero legend, is it safe to assume Lady Stoneheart is one of the dozen companions?

On 5/8/2020 at 6:42 AM, frenin said:

Not really, there is little reason to do it, but we do know of recent construcciones anyway, both Coldmoat and Whitewalls are a rather recent.

 

Rich lords can def afford it but the question is why would they?? Their castles are mighty enough, they don't need more, especially those who aren't just rich but also from ancient Houses. 

Both of those places are over 100 years old aren’t they? 

Either way I just realised that almost all of the castles have had major extensions over the years, which more or less explains it if you think of castles as though they were cities. 
 

3 hours ago, Hugorfonics said:

I think most songs are hits

Merrett doesnt seem like the most culturally gifted to me, but he recognizes The Day They Hanged Black Robin after a few notes.

 

Red Keep and Summerhall are recent constructions, obviously KL cam afford whatever.

I also think Lord Arryn and warden of the East wouldn't let any of his lords undertake a construction like the Eyrie, because if not then maybe one day thered be a new warden of the east

A general paranoia is something I can get behind. It’s not perfect, I mean there really should be a lot more but lords not allowing construction for that reason is better than no explanation. 
 

You guys don’t think there’s a magical element at play here? I’m thinking about the black stone of ‘unknown origin’ that was used in the construction of the Hightower at old town, the five forts and other well known structures. 

6 hours ago, Alexis-something-Rose said:

Because building means a lord has to borrow money from the the bank or from some other lord or levy more taxes from their smallfolk. And it takes years to build something. 

Do you think that’s all it is? No one has had the funds or motivation to build anything in hundreds of years?
 

IMO it’s something that needs an explanation. Look at a place like Dragonstone; that place is an architectural marvel and it was built before the doom, we’re talking over 400 years ago.
 

Think about all the other amazing structures, basically every major castle is incredible, the Titan of Bravos, the wall, the effing Eyrie. None of it inspired anyone to build anything except Sansa who built a snow castle once. 

How come no one has built anything in forever? Everything is really old.

Also, if songs are so important how has no one has written a hit since The Rains Of Castamere?

9 hours ago, Alexis-something-Rose said:

They're a bunch of shitheads who are still his family. How many people in real life have shitheads for family and still gravitate towards them?

I think Theon's biggest mistake when he was on the Iron Islands was that he never went to see his mother. She loved him. She wanted him. I think the outcome with Theon would have been completely different if he had bothered to go to her.

Yeah that’s probably right, the mother would likely have helped. Maybe I’m being too hard on him, but it seems like a super dumb move, the Northerners would have planned for Balon refusing them and like surely this plan b wasn’t to have Theon start raiding villages along the stoney shore. 

4 hours ago, Lyanna<3Rhaegar said:

I think this is probably more of a large question & worthy of it's own thread but in a nut shell: Theon never 'belonged' with the Starks & tried to hold onto his Iron Born identity throughout his time with them. He respected them, loved some of them even, but knew his death could come at any moment. If he isn't a Stark & isn't an Iron Born, who is he? 

Not bad points at all, Admittedly I hadn’t thought overly about Theons life as a ward/hostage and how that would mess with his head. 

At that point isn’t the story I would have considered Theon a Stark. He didn’t care much for the rest of the Starks but Robb was close to a brother to him and Theon was obviously a huge part of his rebellion. 

I just think he fell in with the Greyjoy’s way too easily, for dumb reasons and his plan to take winterfell was moronic. 

We all know about Theon switching sides when he’s sent by Robb to Pyke to bring the Greyjoy’s in on the Stark rebellion (aCoK).

I’m doing another re read and after going through that whole process again (being unrecognised, then mocked, the stony shore and winterfell idiocracy), I couldn’t help but wonder how he could be so stupid. Thus, my “small” question is this; 

Was switching from Stark to Greyjoy like that the biggest fuck up/bad decision that any character has made so far?

There have been plenty of bad decisions made, I might list a couple below, but I can at least understand why those people made the choices they did. Just what was Theon thinking?

Other candidates that come to mind;

- Cat freeing Jamie

- Viserys’ tantrum during the golden crown feast

- Cat arresting Tyrion

- Ned letting Cersei know he knew about her and Jamie

- Renly claiming the throne 

etc

Back to Theon, can anyone tell me how he suddenly went from treating with the ironborn to allowing himself to be mocked into joining them and doing the actual opposite of what he was sent to do? 

It can’t just be the desire for approval from his “family”. As far as I can tell they never visited, wrote or otherwise enquired about his well-being after he was forcibly shipped off. They’re a bunch of shit heads.

Why didn’t he, after that first conversation with Balon, simply turn around and go back to Robb?

2 minutes ago, Therae said:

Intrigued, so here it is:

 

https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/143373-crasters-black-blooded-curse-or-wtf-happened-to-benjen/

 

Therae, you’re my Florian. 

1 minute ago, kissdbyfire said:

It’s quite good. Hopefully she’ll link it here as I’m too sleepy and lazy at the mo to look for the link myself.

All good I’ll google it and link it here if/when I find it 

During the great ranging, the rangers of the watch stop at Craster’s for a night on their way north. 

Inside the main hall, Mormont asks Craster about the missing rangers.  Craster says he doesn’t recall seeing Benjen but remembers Gared, Will and Waymar Royce. 

The interesting thing was that Craster also knew about Gared being beheaded for his desertion. The question is how could Craster know that?

- Did Benjen tell Craster, meaning he is lying about seeing him? If so, why?

- Did Craster go south at some point during the GOT timeline and return?

- Did someone else visit him?

- Am I overthinking it and GRRM just wanted to remind the reader?

Have a look at the picture i linked you prick 

Did the Nights King resurrect the Other that Jon killed?

http://i.imgur.com/L7HVFYq.jpg

I have to give it 10/10. It was a really well rounded episode that ended up hitting me right in the feels, even though i've read the books thrice.