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I am so conflicted / confused how I feel about this episode , Dany, Jamie all of it but I want to know, and Maybe this has already been discussed , why were so many civilians going into the city??? like there’s an army bearing down on KL and a dragon queen coming why would you think that THAT city is the safe place to be ??? It was t even just the inner wall around the red keep but showed dozens/hundreds/thousands pouring into the city from outside of it. Why?

I'm rather torn on my feelings for this episode. It was good in that I was on the edge of my seat the whole time and it was suspenseful, I didn't know what was going to happen. But one big issue was I could barely tell what was happening! I have a ~60" new 4K Samsung TV, watching it in at least 1080p, I was sitting a few feet away, we spent time adjusting our TV settings and I wore my glasses (which I usually only need in like lecture theatres) and I was still squinting half the time being like "ok some dark blobs just did a thing" or "some thing just happened to some person, I think". I mean its crazy that they had this director who's known for some of the most visually stunning battles in this series (Jon being charged by a wall of horses and riders in Battle of Bastards), they had the budget, they filmed for like 60 days or something and then in the end decided they wanted it so no one could see anything?! Knew Theon was going to die, but it was nicely done. Jorah ... tear to my eyes, great death. Lyanna, I know it was just fan service, but I thought that was great. Surprised Grey Worm made it, thought he was a goner for sure. The Tyrion and Sansa moment was sweet. I'm glad to see Ghost survived (though really wish he would have been used), and the dragons. Poor Edd .... The battle "strategy" was disastrous, why weren't the dragons mowing down dead people beforehand and lighting up the field so people could see. Why wasn't there more fire used as means of protection/blockade ? I read somewhere this was more like a horror movie than a battle/action sequence and for me it was because in horror movies you're always yelling "No you idiot don't go in the basement" and I was yelling at my TV plenty. Bran is worthless/useless. Don't know why NK even cared about him, so what if he can see all of history - rest of the world never even knew about 3ER so whats the point of him (as opposed to a written account of history like at the citadel). He just warg'ed into some crows, for what? He didn't relay any relevant information about the NK or the battle, didn't use the crows to drop fire or anything. The whole bran thing I just don't get, his purpose apparently just to know about Jon's parentage but now we question why that matters (see below). I'm conflicted on the Arya thing. I mean it was unexpected, which while watching was cool, and she is a badass character. But it just makes me wonder what the point of Jon is/was and knowing his parentage. I always thought his parentage - the big secret and reveal of the whole show - was important not so that he could have a claim to the throne but because he was special, he was the prince that was promised and would be the one to defeat the AotD or NK. The whole build up can't really be just so he can "legitiamely" rule the 7 seven kingdoms can it?? And its a bit disappointing that the final showdown, the big ending of this magical legendary tale is about defeating CERSEI- some chick who went batsh*t crazy. Don't really understand how Dany and co supposed to go fight Cersei now, as looks like Dothraki basically gone, Unsullied basically gone, and northern army (and the vale army) basically gone, and no other allies with armies/fighters except for maybe in Iron Islands. Unless she really is just gonna go full dragon fire and burn Cersei in the red keep, I don't see how they could mount an offensive against 20,000 GC (who are rested and healthy unlike our northern friends). Overall, a bit disappointed, but definitely need to watch it again

So my main feeling from this episode was supreme awkwardness , everywhere between everyone - was a little cringe worthy at times. I think the discussion about Dany and the Tarlys is a complicated one, bit unfair for Sam to form a negative opinion based on just that given what he knows about his father (being rather an ass) and that he didn't really get the whole story. I personally think Dany was ok in doing it (I know Tyrion and Varys freaked out) but she gave them the chance to bend the knee and he refused. She has to be somewhat firm and can't just send him to NW or prison, that wouldn't have made much sense. It wasn't tyrannical to do it or make her like Cersei or mad king to burn them - she isn't going around burning innocents in their homes and restrained herself from attacking kings landing for the same reason. She attacked soldiers on the battlefield and gave them the chance to join her. And honestly not sure why death was preferable to Tarly - his allegiances are a bit all over, betrayed Tyrells knowing they had joined with Dany and sided with Cersei when she went all mad king and blew up the sept and doesn't have a good claim to the throw, so not sure why it would have been awful to join Dany. Dany is trying to walk a fine line of being merciful and being strong - being respected and being feared, think you need both. The Sansa and Dany bits were again kind of awkward, like Dany should realise/remember the Northerns have some feelings about Targs and having a different ruler than the one they choice, she came in all like everyone bow down even though you don't know me. So Sansa's reactions I kind of get, but if she ever trusted Jon she would give Dany a chance and not just assume he dropped to his knees out of lust or infatuation or something dumb. I get that Sansa wants to be respected but I feel she never gives Jon much respect.

Eh it was ok. The whole thing with Cersei was frustrating. They lost a dragon for their dumb plan to convince her and it shockingly didn't work, dumb to think it would. But odd that they thought "were fucked" if she doesn't agree, how bout just kill her now. And Dany n everyone giving Jon shit for admitting he bent the knee n it's his fault it all fell apart, well maybe if every other sentence from Dany since they met hadn't been about bending the knee maybe it wouldn't have been an issue. Glad about bran and Sam talking about jons parentage but really wish Jon would have found out today. Few things i didn't get 1- what was hound talking about to the mountain? Sounded like some kind of prophecy or foreshadowing but I didn't get it. 2. What was with tyrion being a weirdo creeper on the boat??

D&D and HBO meant for the tower of Joy seen to confirm Rheagar as the father as HBO made an info graphic shortly after that episode explicitly saying rhaegar is father to Jon.

I'm fairly mixed on this episode. yay Jonah is all better, but I wish there had been some discussion like " Sam: I'm from nightswatch, there's an army of the dead. Jorah: I'm friends with Dany who was an army and dragons, since you saved my life I'll put in a good word with her". Use your network Sam. I was all happy bran was back but way to be creepy and cold. I mean yeah he's been through a lot but who hasn't, he could have at least smiled. Jony and Danys meeting was a bit of a let down. Us knowing jons parentage and them not is frustrating, esp with Dany's high and mighty attitude. I really miss Ghost but would love to see Jon hop on Rheagal's back. Honestly tho to get people believe them why not just bring a wigt with them, like someone dies in the north just don't burn them they rise up you chain up the cold zombie and show the southerners, seems obvious to me. Also do we think Tyrion knows about his sister going all mad king with the wildfire? I thought I saw a weird look on his face when Jon/Davos said something. Sad Olenna is dead, but like her last lines. I really just want Cersei to die and hate hate what Jamie has become. No redemption, basically the opposite, barely a main character just goes alobg with anything Cersei says or wants. So sad, I liked where book Jaimie was going.

I'm I getting sick to death of Sansa and her bitch attitude, really the only stark I wish someone would put down. Even after all these years and all she's been through she just sounds like a whiny spoiled brat. I was was glad to see nymeria back but thought her and Arya's reunion felt a bit awkward. I agree with others that the Danerys and varys conversation was weirdly timed. And I'm shocked it has taken someone, anyone, from the north this long to go "there's a person with dragons-dragons breath fire-fire kills wigts-maybe we should try and get dragons up here", like seriously no one thought about reaching out at all sooner or even talked about the possibility. Didn't care about sand snakes dying, thought the battle was ok. But the last few seconds with theon I actually liked, it surprised me and the look on alfie's face, in his eyes, was great.

Yeah but I wanted to see him do/say something about it... Hopefully add queenslayer to his list of achievements

Just finished watching and I thought awesome episode! Loved Lynna Mormont backing Jon, she should be a new series regular. But come on she called him the white wolf and still no Ghost by his side. Loved Frey pie, go Arya. was a little bummed Cersei only took out the sept and annoyed Jaime was back in KL clearly knowing what she did and apparently not minding. Also a little sad about Margery, thought she'd make it. Finally TOJ, finally. Only wish they'd made things a little more clear for non book people. My husband was like who's the father, when I said rhaeghar he was like who's that, even though it I've explained it all before. But it all in all quite nicely and done.

I thought the exact same thing, those pointy bits on his back can't be terribly comfortable to sit on. Dany and yara should totally be besties they have so much in common. I agree, people are giving here credit for keeping the vale a secret so Ramsay would come meet them in the field but that's not true because she was trying to get Jon to wait even after she'd written to LF, so she had no good reason to keep it a secret. If Jon had known maybe he would have waited, but Ramsay needn't have known about the vale right away, they could have devised a strategy together with the vale for the vale to take Ramsay by surprise.

Most disappointing episode 9 ever, except for danys part (yay for using all 3 dragons finally). I mean I knew the gist of how things would go, but it was awful watching Jon and his team just screw up and get owned so utterly and only win because of the vale and Sansas lies. I mean she's probably like "Jon should have listened to me and waited" well maybe if she'd not concealed the part about a whole other army coming he would have and so many less people would have died. Again I knew this is how it would go but I thought Jon and co would at least do some good things, put up something of a fight before the vale, but instead he disregarded the only bit of advice Sansa did say about Ramsey, disregarded his own battle plan, and basically did everything Ramsay hoped Jon would. And in the end no ghost eating Ramsay I'm just depressed.