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  1. Fine , If I am picking weakest ones I could add others : Lot of those examples of similarities can be tied to Maegor and I don't compare Daenarys to him either (exile, Pentos ,lovers , disfigured child. aspired to be ruler,wore crown, dragonrider,acting by logic and confusing at other times. he did loose civil war and Baratheons were one of the houses against him...) . Blacks have won "the Dance of Dragons" though thankfully Daemon has gone splat before it was over , allies of "Green's" had to give either hostages after the war to new regime of Aegon III. House Targaryen lost their power and most of dragons that was biggest difference after the war, some whole Kingdoms were relatively untouched. Exile of Daenerys and her brother isn't the same as Daemon's or Maegor's exile, they escaped of being imprisoned or executed, while other two had choice in matter. They also lived in various places not only Pentos. Khal Drogo died to infection that resulted in his fall from horse , that caused his Khalasar to stop following him, he died from the infection or by Daenarys mercy-asphyxiating him. Rhea died after hawking accident, there is little evidence though it may be assassination by Daemon to get rid of his marriage. There could be similarities and I wouldn't bother to dispute, but most of all I tie Daemon to his criminalization of Westeros offices and find it distasteful to idolize or determent to any character to be linked to him (not that I am fan of Daenerys). 
  2. Yep I understand you, as I recall he also frequently says in interviews that "The Scouring of the Shire" as one of more brilliant parts of Tolkien's trilogy and I personally also find it to have less impact than War of the Ring ( I might need to reread it though), in the end it is his story.
  3. Here is the data from Alyn's Stepstones battle against pirates and later campaign against the Greyjoy ( after the Dance). Royal fleet: eight new warships and some twenty older cogs and galleys House Hightower : Twenty war galleys Shield Islands: 16 ships Redwyne: 30 warships Alyn Velaryon fleet "bringing together sixty war galleys, thirty longships, and more than a hundred cogs and great cogs to meet the royal fleet as it swept out from King’s Landing." That is also shortly after the dance where Velaryon lost 1/3 rd of the fleet in the Battle of Hullet against 90 warships of Triarchy. Taking from that Redwyne and Hightower and Shield Islands couldn't deal with Velaryon fleet , also that Triarchy was already engaged there and proved ineffective against grouped dragons, though I wonder why they didn't try to relieve Lannisters from Greyjoy attacks . Truth be told I am mostly seeing various banner-men avoiding to get engaged in war during the dance saving their strength like Tyrells, Baratheons who got at the end, i'm not sure Vale was involved in any battle, North even got late and sent people who were most likely to die during the winter.
  4. In many inteviews on youtube he mentions Faulner's words here is the quote from : https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2011/07/george-rr-martin-on-sex-fantasy-and-a-dance-with-dragons/241738/
  5. War of the five kings is only first part of events that we are seeing through Pov's ( supposedly the first three books are roughly 1/3rd of the series). Dance of dragons had lasted but 2 years , though lot of interesting things happen before and few after it. There were lot of dragons true but it was much more limited to Crownlands, Riverlands , Reach and Westerlands. It was also much more limited in scope and engagement, especially since lot of main houses involved survived though weakened. It had as it consequence dying much of the dragons mostly. But in Asoiaf new dragons are born into the World, there is the threat for survival with the Long Night and Return of Others, Red God, besides usual Westerosi dynastic feuds or rebellions (which are most interesting to me), Wildlings, Ironborn, Dothraki, return of Golden Company, Braavos, Pentos, Dorne, possible slave uprisings throughout the East ,seeing Children of the forest and Bloodraven who had part in lot of events previously. Those and many magical elements from Povs have more weight than in my opinion than different periods of rule of Targaryen or even Ancient First Men events because they combine all those elements . GrrM's main series has much more in it , though it needs completion to reach it's full potential. Valyria would be certainly great story , though themes that would be worked on there might be similar in terms with Numenor their rise and fall, and I feel they would be mostly self contained with only some ties to the Ice part of the story.
  6. War of the five kings is only first part of events that we are seeing through Pov's ( supposedly the first three books are roughly 1/3rd of the series) Dance of dragons had lasted but 2 years , though lot of interesting things happen before and few after it. it had many dragons true but it was much more limited to Crownlands, Riverlands , Reach and Westerlands, it was also much more limited in scope and engagement, especially since lot of main houses involved survived though weakened. It had as it consequence dying much of the dragons mostly. But in Asoiaf new dragons are born into the World, there is the threat for survival with the Long Night and Return of Others, Red God, besides usual Westerosi dynastic feuds or rebellions (which are most interesting to me), Wildlings, Ironborn, Dothraki, return of Golden Company, Braavos, Pentos, Dorne, possible slave uprisings throughout the East ,seeing Children of the forest and Bloodraven who had part in lot of events previously. Those and many magical elements from Povs have more weight than in my opinion than different periods of rule of Targaryen or even Ancient First Men events because they combine all those elements . Grrm's main series has much more in it , though it needs completion to reach it's full potential. Valyria would be certainly great story , though themes that would be worked on there might be similar in terms with Numenor their rise and fall, though I feel they would be mostly self contained with some ties to the Ice part of the story.
  7. I don't try to say that any is superior to other, just that I prefer more information like in Asoiaf with Pov chapters, even though some may be from "unreliable narrator" there is more nuance, heart and soul in story of people involved and knowing their motives. Beyond higher miseries of the world or magic for which I don't have problem for being unanswered and find that it adds to novel. Motivations, choices and resolutions of characters are things that left me mostly unsatisfied. For example in Silmarillion following story-line with Sons of Feanor: We know who left Dior's children to die, and how two of the sons repented for that act, and they later spared Elrond and Elros. We know they were guided by their Oath . If written in style Fire&Blood their deaths would be pinned on Maedhros or sparing the children would be seen as taking hostages. F&B mostly that suffers are characters in some situations and the conclusion of major narratives like in Maegors case or Rhaenys fate it is my opinion that story would be braver without so many unknowns.
  8. I am not sure if Asoiaf storyline is of less importance than any of the periods described in the Fire&Blood or will be in second edition, those events seem possible to change entire World much more so than even the greatest crisis like the Dance of Dragons did. I am more wondering, when comparing it to The Silmarillion why there is so much incomplete important information about events in Fire&Blood or "TWOIAF"? For example questions how did Maegor die, what did letter to Aegon contain, and contradicting reports during the Dying of the Dragons) in The Silmarillion there is omnipotent view over the story told as it "really" happened and for better or worse there is closure. Trying to emulate real world historical writings and other sources has it's advantages, probably fans will continue debating about finding the truth for long time or readers will form their own opinion based on their own preconceptions. Though the lack of answers, muddies whole story and leaves lot of it unsatisfying. It is possible that it is left as sort of synopsis for screenplays (considering his work in that field) and as boon for those who adapt it may add various changes or surprises (though I would prefer authors own view of how the story really unfolded).
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    [SPOILERS] Jaehaerys and Alysanne

    I really liked characters of Alyssa Velaryon and Rogar Baratheon, they are depicted like real humans with great things and flaws, I kinda teared up a bit when they died, even the quarrel in the council room reminded me of Ned and Robert.
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    Has A Song of Ice and Fire influenced your life in any way?

    It made me reread Tolikien and like Silmarillion, even the ending among other things, and made me start reading again. To have more appreciation for the grayer characters and there are even some philosophy you can apply to life. In real life subterfuge of political leaders, Red Wedding, and similar conspiracies inspired me , it's a long story: Since we I live in country where legal system is far from perfect, we had to remove person who was renting our industrial property from our object. He was late 4 months with rent and paying electricity and other bills and made damage on water supply and one of the machines among other things. If we went to the court costs would have bankrupt us while we fought legal battle ( he had a pattern of abusing that option from earlier period) , so we had to ask old employee to give us key and during night we changed the locks ,and waited him and his workers to get there, and said to him we won't leave until he pays, he left but we took his things until he paid his debts , but he never did though he tried to scare us into returning it. Since he had owed lot of people money including state we never would have got what he owed us , so we returned the proper owners their things in compensation of 20% per item. All of the companies accepted the deal without the court. At the end it has proven as good decision , since his workers, and other companies never managed to get a dime and that person just created new company using different person as a founder. It was difficult decision, that maybe morally and legally isn't best choice, but without inspiration from the book It would have been done differently, more timidly I would say.
  11. Calumny seems to be word of a day. After restoration Aegon Ii was busy cleaning up the mess Rhaenyra left. Also he was kinda messed up badly in war so he can be pardoned for climbing in the throne ( he needed to be carried) , to his credit he stopped using milk of the poppy and even after being hurt took flight on his dragon to battle second time , I don't remember Rhaenyra mounting Syrax to defend King's Landing from rabble. Rhaenyra has been cut by iron throne, does it signify that person is bad king , maybe, it is on reader to decide based on their actions in general ( more than enough in her case). To me it signifies mental instability of ruler during the presiding, depending of the various difficult situations. Joffery was facing a difficulty and proved his weak points during that exchange with unnamed Florent Bastard, afterwards crying for his mommy. If you blame Eustace for calumny then please ignore when he says anything in favor of Blacks , he was present there and many lords and ladies, it could have been easily denounced as fabrication after the war Blacks have won but it wasn't. Author has even drawn a picture , nay hired an artist to do one in case people need looking her and hers without rose tinted eyeglasses. Maegor died on the iron throne , why I can only make guess ,I would personally love that some of those he did most harm confronted him in his final moments, but most likely it was coup by his men, he certainly became different after thing with Tyanna, depressed and sluggish to react aybe contemplating unraveling of his kingdom , I doubt it was suicide.
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    Tyrion's Defense

    And thus ended first and last lawyer in Westeros may he rest in pieces.
  13. You are doing Daenerys disfavor by comparing her to lordling fleabottom, if anything he is similar to Oberyn Martell, though far worse person. I doubt similarities though they exist are parallels or even intentional, and lot of them are very wide. For example Most kings , queens or consorts wore crowns Khal died from infection, falling from the horse was only sign he was unfit to lead Khalasar, Rhea Royce died in "hawking accident" , which was very likely a assassination.
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    Favourite Targaryen King?

    I would like to wait for F&B part II to make final decision. I changed opinion for Aegon I since he has more going for him than 3 big dragons, he had political and diplomatic skill when required. Jaehaerys undoubtedly had some good decisions, but much about him is written from fan-boyish perspective. I dislike the way he treated his guardians especially after bloody war that was waged for similar issue. He also didn't had to bleed his hands by people still being tired of war and scared of Maegor's rule. Though reading about more peaceful reigns such as his, comes as welcome respite from usual brutality of other regimes. I much prefer Aegon II to Rhaenyra, though both had flaws to say the least. I am interested to know more about Maekar, Aegon V, Viserys II, Daeron II among others. My opinion is that is easy to be best when not confronted with hard decisions or situations.
  15. I agree with You. What I find lacking is some kind of overview of more powerful banner men and their strengths at the time, also that most of the battles were usually one sided affairs, won by some sort of treachery. What irks me the most is the general strength representation of Riverlands who had faced brunt of battles facing Lannisters, and then slaughtering Crownlanders being sent by Cole, and then being in both battles of Tumbletown and finally devastating Baratheons at the end. Huge losses that they had don't make plausible their gathering forces so fast. Tone of the story changes to so sweet at the end of war with all marriages , I wanted to retch, it seemed like falsehood to be honest. I am also not impressed with North and Cregan Stark, they "honored" their oath for Rhaenyra by sending people who would most likely die anyway of winter instead of sending more support when was most necessary. Lannisters were true to the Green cause but faced battle on two fronts, I find it odd that they always get surprised by Ironborn though. In contrast I'm not sure if Vale was involved at all, lot of Reach houses were pro black also. I can't figure out Borros , he seems mostly interested to marry his daughters, but really doesn't seem very good tactician or strategist. Borros waited for dragons to kill each other so he isn't much of benefit for Greens. Green side seem to be definitively underdog during most of the war. They even help inadvertently the Blacks by assassinating two betrayers.
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