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12 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:
Yes, but there is far more obvious stuff that links Yi Ti to imperial China above Phoenicia - it's location in the very far east of the world, the name(s) (Yi Ti means 'whole' or 'all' in Mandarin according to my dictionary app), it being ruled by an Emperor and being an Empire (Phoenicia was never considered a unified entity and the people did not consider themselves to be one group either), having a moving capital, Emperors being associated with colours and precious stones, a succession of Imperial Dynasties, larger cities in comparison to Westeros, a nomadic frontier with a 'wall' of forts, the length of time their civilisation has existed, the divine status of the Emperor, their naming conventions, exports...
If you want to get into geography, Yi Ti also has a desert above it like the Gobi desert to/in the North of China, mountains to the east like the Khingan mountains to/in the east of China, and borders the nomadic Jhogos Nhai like China bordered the Mongols and Jurchens.
I mean, just look at the Yi Ti artwork in the World Book. It is clearly inspired by China.
I don't doubt that there is inspiration from China, I just think there is also strong Phoenician influence. As stated before, China has no connective mythos to Europe, where as the Middle East does. Both are a part of Asia any ways and I wouldn't be surprised if there was Vedic/Indian influence too. I feel the Dothraki def are inspired by the Huns and Mongols. I just think its easier for George to give the feel of Asia by using word more akin to Mandarin rather than Semitic. Its obvious by this thread thus far that some for some reason debate whether the Middle East is even part of Asia, so clearly using some Chinese influence conveys his general idea better.
Im quite surprised anyone would honestly even debate the Middle East being part of Asia. Like, they forgot the story of Noah and his sons. Ham got Africa, Japheth got Europe, and Shem got Asia (Some consider America his too since the Natives descend from peoples in China and Russia. Alexander the Great often referred to those lands as Asian also, but what ever. These types of view points obviously affect peoples interpretations of the books and thats ok. This is just my take. I think George is playing with the idea that like the Noah myth, or Iapetus myth, that we are tied by ancestry and so the lines of distinction gets murky when debating whether the Andals are Valyrian, or the Starks are Andals. There is debate on Hightower relations to Valyria and they have more evidence going for them than the Starks. I find some on this forum tend to agree upon ideas, while others disagree. I don't bug out by people disagreeing, though it does make some progress in discussion feel limiting.
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6 hours ago, SaffronLady said:
I'll just consider the op a gone topic and of course no I did not inspire GRRM. I just made the more reasonable guess based on what we actually know about the place.
The same to you. If you want it to be Phoenicia, then sure, it's Phoenicia. Its capital moves between dynasties and it launches armies hundreds of thousands strong against nomads but ok.
That's just plain racist. Who said people with black irises couldn't have bright eyes of confidence?
Excuse me!?!?!?!?! You might wanna watch what you say to people. Accuse me of some shit like that.
You wanna debate the book, cool. You wanna debate the likely hood of people calling brown eyed people "Bright eyed", cool. You call me racist cause I say bright eyes aren't typically thought of as brown, then your way off base and beyondddd offensive. First of all, I have brown eyes and have never been told i have bright eyes. How does eye color even make one racist??? Such a beyond rude thing to say.
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5 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:
I don't see the Ghiscari as good parallels for Greek City states,
Well I wasn't hung up on every detail mirroring, that would be frankly boring. As mentioned above, they're all likely loose inspirations. England never had dragons so far as we know, but there was the war of the Red dragon (Welsh) vs the White Dragon (Anglo-Saxons), plus the Norse rode dragon ships. Plus yea, Sparta was never a city state, it was a Kingdom. Also, lets not forget Alexander the Greats short lived Empire.
Its off topic so I dont want to derail from the OP much, but the idea of Yi-Ti being Phoenicia/Lebanon connects it to European/Essosi events and myths. Its from Lebanon that the word Bible comes from, from Byblos where the papyrus paper was made that it was written on. Further, their gods were considered the same, with Baal Hadad being Zeus/ Jupiter/ Tyr (Ziu in Old High German). While Jesus the Morning Star was called Earendel in Christ 1 poem 800Ad, which is Old English for Eosphorus, the Morningstar. Who is likely the inspiration behind Azor Ahai, Bloodstone Emperor who is the 13th member of the Gemstone Empire.
Iapetus was linked to Japheth (יֶפֶת) one of the sons of Noah and a progenitor of mankind in biblical accounts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iapetus
This would make Uranus, the father of the Titan Iapetus, Noah. The 10th generation since Adam and Eve. With the Titan Hyperion being the 11th. His daughter Eos (Eastre/ Easter), being the 12th, while Eosphorus the morning star is the 13th.
So my idea is based off a lot of other ideas.
(Yes I know Tyrosh is the ones in the books who make purple dye, but the symbolism in purple is in Valyria, who they come from, and even Yi-Ti. Not all inspirations are exact mirrors, but they rhyme.)
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3 hours ago, SaffronLady said:
Dude, this is like, fantasy. Geographical distance does not influence who gets inspired by what if the author does not want to.
But you're the authority on what inspired him, dude? lol You're welcome to think what you want. If you want it to be China, then sure. Its China. Its missing the shore and Ocean but ok They're called "Bright Eyed". Something people in China are not. Where as people in modern day Phoenicia/ Lebanon actually do have "Bright Eyes" as some have blue eyes
https://www.quora.com/How-common-are-blue-green-and-hazel-eyes-in-the-Middle-East
https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9be74f4e9472856d0c054fe84a89d0db-lq
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2 hours ago, Alester Florent said:
Phoenicia is (was) in the Levant, not Asia Minor.
Its part of Asia Minor or Western Asia.
QuoteAsia Minor
Catholic Answers
https://www.catholic.com › encyclopedia › asia-minor
Asia Minor is also known as “the Levant”, a Western (Italian and French) equivalent for Anatolia.
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https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Roman_provinces_of_Asia_Minor.jpg
The Middle East is the common term for a region consisting of countries in southwest Asia and, usually, at least part of North Africa.
What is the Middle East? - TeachMideast
TeachMideast
https://teachmideast.org › articles › what-is-the-middle-east
Ill respond to the rest when I have a lil more time.
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23 hours ago, Alester Florent said:
Garth Greenhand was one of the First Men; the Gardeners were a First Men house.
Lann the Clever (the first Lannister) was also a First Man. The Lannisters are an "Andal house" in that they descend In the male line from an Andal, due to a marriage between a Lannister princess and an Andal warlord, but they were originally a First Men house.
I absolutely agree that the history timeline is shorter than generally believed in-world, and that the Andal invasion was only about 2,000 years BP rather than 6,000 years BP as the conventional histories seem to claim. But I think this makes it more likely that First Men houses are still around in number rather than less likely, no?
It clearly says in TWOIAF that Lann was a possible Andal Adventurer. Garth isn't likely the First men as people in Dorne don't worship him. If he had led the first men, they would likely have worshiped him. Further, its kinda clear from the text that the real first men were House Casterly, and House Manderly. House Hightower is debate-able as First Men or Pre-First Men. If House Gardener was so powerful from the get go, and were there before House Manderly, then the Mander would be named for them, not Garth. Further, House Manderly worships Mermen, not the Greenman. So clearly different waves of people.
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18 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:
I don't get Phoenicia vibes from Yi-Ti either... If anything is Phoenican wouldn't it be Ghis?
No, as across the waters from Rome is Greece, not Phoenicia. The maps are clearly Europe with Britain laid west instead of North. So it would go, Rome, Greece, the Phoenicia which is in Asia Minor. Only way Ghis is Phoenician, is if they are Carthage, which Punic means Phoenician. If that was the case though, id expect them to be located in Sothoryos though, not Essos.
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18 hours ago, SaffronLady said:
Isn't Yi Ti just China-lite though? Tyrosh is quite some ways off from Yi Ti.
This would involve proving some version of the "waves of Andal invasion" theory correct, since at least there was the entire Theon the Hungry Wolf and his Andal overkill business to account for.
Phoenicia is Asia Minor. Yi-Ti doesn't look near far enough. If Valyria is Rome, then across the waters is Greece, then Phoenicia. Which makes sense as Yi-Ti likely influenced Valyria. Phoenicia not only provided the Purple die used by the Romans, but they gave their alphabet to the Greeks, Romans, Etruscans, and Germans. Further more, their gods are related as Baal Hadad is Zeus, who is Jupiter, and Tyr. It makes no sense for Yi-Ti to be China, at least in my mind.
The Andals obviously went in waves instead of one big invasion as Lann the Clever was an Early Andal Adventurer. Plus the Andals were landing in different areas, not just the fingers. Suggesting multiple uncoordinated waves. Whether Starks are Andal or not, I feel the issue of Andals coming in waves is pretty well established.
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15 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:
Gardeners literally prepared against and waited for the Andals to invade the Reach for generations, they were established in the Reach for thousands of years at this point.
There is more than enough evidence to suggest the histories are not nearly as long as you're making them out to be. Its been pretty well established on this board a few times that the Andals only invaded a couple thousand years ago, and that there were waves. Garth and his family, including the Lannister who took Casterly Rock from the "First Men". The Lannisters are constantly referred to as Andal and descendants of Early Andals. This isn't speculation when the books clearly say as much.
This also happened in England. The Saxon's, Angles, and Jutes are closely related to the later Vikings (Jutes come from Denmark where the later Danes would come from and invade England establishing the Danelaw). Saxons say "Woden", while Norse say "Odin". They were closely related and knew it. It wasn't how "Vikings" show displays it, at all. The days of the week are literally named after the same gods as the Norse men, this would not have been lost on them.
I Imagine Garth was similarly related to the later Andals. There was even a Tourney held for Maris the Maid, something only Andals did, not first men. Tales of Knights, dragon slayers, and other things to suggest early Andals. Let alone House Lannister being founded by an Early Andal Adventurer.
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8 hours ago, Tradecraft said:
The first wave of English to move to Ireland, called Old English, soon lost touch with England and to survive and thrive they adopted Irish names, laws and, customs. They became more Irish than even the local Irish.
They intermarried with the locals and traded with them.
The new English settlers called them "Irish Dogs".
This reminds me of the Starks.
It was the Starks who conquered the North.
But it was not outright conquest. Some nothern houses survived and the Starks intermarried with them. A sign that their conquest was limited.
We know GRRM used Irish history (among others) to write ASOIAF. And I think he took inspiration for the Starks here.
The Starks took a first man name. They became "more northern" than the other northerners by strictly observing the laws and customs of the North.
They're even "dogs" (direwolves).
This all depends on who Garth the Green was, as Brandon of the Bloody blade was the progenitor of House Stark. There are clearly a Tourney held for Maris the Maid, daughter of Garth taken by Uthor of the Hightower. There are tales of Dragon slayers and dragons in the early Gardener times too. All supposedly Andal things, as the North takes no part in such activities.
Westeros is clearly England. Valyria is Rome. As not only was their an Emperor Valerian who fought the Goths in Syria (Asia Minor), but there is a Kjarr in Norse myth (Caesar) who is King of Valland and the Valir people (Roman-Gaul).
Belerion is named for the Island of Ictis, once named Belerion in Greek records. A place the Phoenicians and Greeks went for Tin.
The Ghiscari are the Greeks, while Yi-ti is Phoenicia. Tyrian is a clue to this as Tyrian Purple was made from Sea Mollusk by the Phoenicians and people of Carthage (Punic=Phoenician) for the royal purple dye later used by the conquering Romans.
How much GRRM is pulling from history for his own history, im not sure. The Goths, Vandals, and Burgundians (Volsung clan/Nibelungs) conquered the Western Roman Empire after Rome fell, all the way to Spain, England, Italy, and Greece. The Germanic tribes eventually saw themselves as the continuation of Rome somewhat by way of the Holy Roman Empire.
The Targayens could well be Andals who merely see themselves as the continuation of Valyria, yet follow the faith of the Seven (There is a sept built into Dragonstone, presumably before they ever invaded and had to make nice with the locals they conquered).
The Vandals claimed links to Greece and Trojan War. So the Andals could have ties in Old Ghis for all we know. The current Ghiscari are the old slaves and presumably look nothing like the Old Ghiscari.
I think the Starks are Andals though myself, possibly brought in to mitigate something in the North, and instead stayed (Much like the Anglo-Saxons of England.)
We know in the South that the Manderly's used to be super important, as the River is named for them, not the Gardeners or Garth the Green. Suggesting that Garth's family were not the first men, but invaders. House Lannister is tied to Garth the Green too.
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14 hours ago, The Young Maester said:
This is interesting, I never knew this. So Tolkien disliked what the Middle English and modern English became. And would prefer that the Latin language wouldve never influenced Old English.
If Normans never invaded or influenced the language. It is likely that modern English would be more similar to Nordic or German. Because I remember reading that old Anglo Saxons could interact in a conversation with the danish. Supposedly the languages weren’t so different.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_constructed_by_J._R._R._Tolkien#Mannish_languages
- Lô- / loh- corresponding to Anglo-Saxon éoh, "war-horse", and the derived names Lôgrad for "Horse-Mark", and Lohtûr for Éothéod, "horse-people". This word is an exact homonym of the Hungarian word for "horse", ló. The Rohirric word for "horse" has been identified as a cognate for Tolkien's Elvish words for "horse": rocco (Quenya) and roch (Sindarin). All names beginning with Éo- supposedly represent Rohirric names beginning with Lô- or Loh-, but the Rohirric forms of names such as Éomer and Éowyn are not given.[5]
An example of Tolkiens work process. So in Elvish, inspired by Finnish/Hungarian, horse is Loh/Lo. The People of Rohan speak a language inspired by the Elves, that Tolkien then translates into an English corresponding Name with the root Eo for Horse. Eo descending phonetically from Lo. Even though in the real world Eo descends from a different origin. This is one such process for his conlang creation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf:_The_Monsters_and_the_Critics
Tolkien wrote a book about Beowulf and did a translation of the Book. Pulling some names like Theoden, Hama, and Halfdan from Beowulf. He was a big lover of Old English.
Dainn, Durinn, Dwalin, Gandalf, Frodo and the like are all from the Norse sagas.
My favorite one though is Fearon from Norman French meaning a smith of Iron. Im assuming is what inspired my favorite Elf, Feanor, the "Spirit of Fire" who forged the Silmarils.
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19 minutes ago, SeanF said:
Interesting, thanks.
Tolkien generally disliked imperialism and was no great admirer of its Roman variant. OTOH, he seems to have liked the Eastern Empire, and modelled Gondor off it, in some respects.
Well Gondor seems to be roughly located where Istanbul/Constantinople would be and was sacked and controlled by the Germans at one time when Germans controlled most of Europe following the Roman Collapse. The Haradrim seem modeled on the Middle East. With the Haradrim and Gondorians being descendants of Atlantis/Numenor. The United Kingdoms of Gondor and Arnor having parallels in the Romans Churches East and West halves, or the Two Kingdoms of Israel and Judah. As most Europeans dynasties tried to link them selves to the ancient biblical tales such as British Israelism. Im not sure Tolkiens feelings on the real world idea, but seems to be going for a similar idea in his story telling though.
A missed Opportunity I find though is the location of Nain, Israel and the association that could've been made to the Norse dwarf Nainn from the Völuspá. Given that Durinn in myth was known for relocating the Dwarves. It would've fit to have a Dwarven kingdom in the south that Durinn led some of his people from to the Northern lands. Specially given the association of the word Elf to Alb, meaning white, found in words like the Alban kingdoms of Scottland and Italy. Alban with its root Alb meaning white, is similar to the Semitic/Phoenician word for white or milk, Laban. Also where the Lebanon mountains get their name, for the snow white peaks. Same reason the Alps got their name from the same root of Alb. Alb became Alv in German then becoming Alf in Norse and Aelf in Old English. Becoming Elf in modern English. The Dwarves are among the Alfar, as was Gandalf, so listed in the Völuspá.
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8 hours ago, Lord Browndodd said:
Just a few thoughts from this - apologies for failing to format this properly, the software is not behaving itself today...
Mediterranean - whatever he felt about the language, the chapters set in Ithilien suggest he either loved the landscape there from personal experience or he had a good idea why it might appeal to an Englishman. There's also a surprisingly good analogy for Cirith Ungol hidden away in the southern French Alps - I do wonder if he visited it, or more likely heard about it.
Eomer was the possibly mythical founder of the Angle royal house of Mercia. The Visigothic king Theodoric met a very similar end to Theoden. The Gothic language is not too far removed from Old English - I'm an English speaker with limited knowledge of German, and whilst I certainly could not translate a Gothic text, I do have a sense of what it is saying - far more so than Danish or Swedish, for example.
Well he was veryyy inspired by Greek. The Blessed Isle of Elysium matches that of Tir na nOg found in Celtic myth, that to the west lay undying lands of the gods. With Numenor matching Atlantis (Likely inspired by Numitor, ancestor to Romulus and Remus of Rome. All who come from Aeneas of the Trojan war. Rome likely being originally a Greek colony that broke away.) With a touch of Lyoness slipping under the ocean waves one night inspiration.
And Gothic to my knowledge preserves the Germanic language before the shortening of many words. Like the dropping of z in Germanic languages.
Compare Waranos from Proto Indo European (Reconstructed) to Ouranos from Ancient Greece (Uranus in Latin) to that of Wodanaz in Old German. Wodanaz becoming Woden in Old English, Wotan in German, and eventually worn down the smallest in Norse with Odin. Odin and Uranus are cognates.
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11 hours ago, The Young Maester said:
This is interesting, I never knew this. So Tolkien disliked what the Middle English and modern English became. And would prefer that the Latin language wouldve never influenced Old English.
If Normans never invaded or influenced the language. It is likely that modern English would be more similar to Nordic or German. Because I remember reading that old Anglo Saxons could interact in a conversation with the danish. Supposedly the languages weren’t so different.
Yea he talks about it in the appendixes or opening letter to his editor, i can't remember which. He used a little of Latin and Greek linguistic features to do with structure for his Quenya language, but mostly Quenya was inspired by Finnish, while Sindarin was inspired by Celtic.
As for Old English, some examples of replaced words are Tungol, for Star. Became Steorra from Latin/French. Or Fell for Mountain which in Norse would be Fjall. The Norse and Old English definitely would have understood each other better than modern shows depict them, like Vikings. Germanic languages are pretty close with German being the most distinct due to the High German sounds shifts. So Day, would be Dagr in Norse, and Daeg in Old English, but Tag in German. Like in Guttentag,
Though some Latin and French words are similar to Germanic ones as each came from Proto Indo European. Where as Hungarian and Finnish are language isolates that didn't come from Proto Indo European, but actually are Uralic. Possibly predating the Indo European spread, as Basque also predates P.i.e. So Tolkien was essentially saying those older languages came from the Elves, but got muddied with time by Sindar Elves and men till they resembled Celtic and Germanic dialects.
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39 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:
He said in an interview that he wants readers to feel horny when he describes a love scene just like they feel hungry when he describes a feast. I'm definitely not an expert when it comes to that stuff, but I don't think it has the effect he intended.
Yea i think in most other things, he's really good at placing you in the scene with his descriptions. Not so much on the sex stuff though haha
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5 minutes ago, SeanF said:
Fortunately, you don’t need to invent new languages, and only Tolkien ever cared about linguistic consistency. People write articles in Quenya and Sindarin, but it took a kind of mad genius to create these.
But logistics and distances matter to a tale.
Agreed. And yes, Tolkien is given over credit for his languages as many verbs are missing to actually have a functioning language. Though it can add something to have conlangs I think. It just depends on what you are going for and trying to say with them. Im not so into creating conlangs just for the sake of creating them. Klingon i can understand as its an alien race, but creating fake languages with different human groups just to have them isn't something I would go for.
The map issue is definitely the more important of the world building, i would agree.
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Random thought brought on by another thread dealing with somewhat sexual topics (transgender people). Had me thinking, you know what, id actually enjoy it if Martin stayed away from sex all together. Romance, love, and sex do not seem to be GRRM's strong suite in writing. The descriptions given during his sex scenes have me wondering where George's head is at when hes having sex. A penthouse story or Daniel Steele is more erotic that reading about Tyrions strangely bulbous member, or Roberts course hair in comparison to Jamies. More often or not, sex in Asoiaf just gives me the creeps.
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11 hours ago, The Bard of Banefort said:
Does he know how long it should take to travel from, say, Winterfell to King’s Landing? Because everyone seems to move way too fast in ASOIAF.
This is something ive noticed between GRRM and Tolkien. There is an interview with Tolkien in which he say's he made his maps first, stating that it would be a mess to write the book and create a map after. Something George did. I can see Tolkiens logic as with a map and language set first, writing mustve become much easier.
For instance. Tolkien pulled from a lot of real world stuff with the Myrkwood being a real mythic place located near Ukraine. The Shire being in England and Mordor being where the Black Sea is and Gondor being roughly the Greeks .As the Gondorians are connected to the Atlantis myth/ Numenor. Numenor likely being pulled from Numitor, one of Romulus and Remus ancestors. With Rome having ties to the Greeks, but Italy and Spain being cut from Tolkiens map likely cause he hated the Latin influence that ruined Old English, which he loved. Plus it simplifies the story, especially not having the Mediterranean sea trade routes.
Now, that all being said. Frodo's journey to Mordor is roughly equivalent to a holy pilgrimage to Jerusalem or a crusade. So his journey is roughly 10-12 miles a day at a years travel.
Another example is how the Rohirrim come from the North near Dale and is reflected in their linguistics. With people from Dale and The Lonely Mountain having Norse names, while the Rohirrim have names similar to Old English. Like Eowynn, Eomer, Theoden, Hama, and Halfdan. The Distance between these two lands is changed from history though, with the Rohirrim being roughly in the lands that the Goths would've been. Though you do have Theodoric among the Goths, and his name is similar to Theoden.
Martin, working as a gardener, has gardened himself into a few rabbit holes. Though he some how manages to hold a large part of it together, likely through the aid of Elio and Linda. Or else we would have horses changing sex ocnstantly and peoples eye colors constantly changing. Something they pointed out to him before.
With all these other narratives (Yiti, Dunk and Egg, Fire and Blood 2, and i can't remember what all else), I worry about not just ASOIAF, but of those stories as well. I could see the Dunk and Egg show passing his books just like ASOIAF did.
As an aspiring writer, its something I try to avoid by taking the time to build my world, maps, languages, and history before completing the main story. Or else id be in the same pickle as George or worse, as im no gardener and couldn't wing it like him.
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On 2/19/2022 at 3:44 PM, BRANDON GREYSTARK said:
I don't think Dorne fought for Rhaegar . When Rhaegar fell at the Trident , the Dornish troops did not retreat to King's Landing as far as we know .They returned to Dorne even though Elia was at the Red Keep .
Lewyn Martell was killed and their forces defeated, while Eddard raced to K.L. where Elia was murdered. Likely, there was no way or time for Dorne to save Elia.
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Armeria maritima 'Bloodstone' is a flower known as the "Sea Thrift". https://www.gardenia.net/plant/armeria-maritima-bloodstone
https://www.plantlife.org.uk/uk/discover-wild-plants-nature/plant-fungi-species/sea-aster
While Sea Aster's are also a flower that is purple (Aster means Star in Greek). They are located near the coast. Another name for a Star is German "Stern" which is also a word for the back part of a ship. It can also mean serious and unrelenting. (Like 7 unrelenting Storm's hitting Storm's End?)
The Amethyst Flower is a tropical flowering herbaceous perennial that has purplish-blue flowers with white centers and medium green ovate-shaped leaves.
Starfall. Even Star of Even Fall and they live on the Island of Tarth.
I would venture that there is a theme here. Idk. Can't put my thumb on it.
Maybe, a connection between Daenerys, the Sea peoples like Tarth and Iron born. Shooting Stars and flowers. Which House Gardener of who everyone comes from would link everyone by flowers. Like Jonquil and Florian, both of which are flowers. Jonquil being yellow, while Florian is also a generally yellow flower. Jamie and Cersei incest? Idk. They are not purple flowers though. The Purple flowers seem to be linked to the Sea, Purple, Bloodstones, Starfall, Maybe magic swords as Azor Ahai had. I think its safe to say that one way or another, Dany is tied to the Azor Ahai legend.
The Iron Born connection I find interesting though and wonder about her making an alliances with Euron, or if she'll oppose him.
https://www.worldofroses.com/product/7570/the-stella-maris-centenary-rose-potted-giftwrapped
Stella Maris is also a flower. A Rose.
Maris the Maid?
Maris Piper potato flowers are also Purple.
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1 minute ago, Megorova said:
Thank you very much!
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https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=Blackwood+wolfswood
Is there a site like this for Fire and Blood? Don't have the E book, just the hard copy and a total pain to look up quotes and type them up.
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On 1/5/2022 at 5:59 AM, Ran said:
Jon has grey eyes.
You'd have to ask George, but certaily agree that Ned was father to six children.
Thanks! We'll get to them again, some day. In fact, literally just unpacked a brand new Canon EOS R6 camera after having hemmed and hawed for ages.... Almost everything else we've done was shot on an old Canon Rebel t4i, which is nearly ten years old now.
Small question. Was the unfinished road to the Sorrows mentioned at any point in Twoiaf that just got cut and didn't make it in?
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4 minutes ago, Ran said:
Jon has grey eyes.
You'd have to ask George, but certaily agree that Ned was father to six children.
Thanks! We'll get to them again, some day. In fact, literally just unpacked a brand new Canon EOS R6 camera after having hemmed and hawed for ages.... Almost everything else we've done was shot on an old Canon Rebel t4i, which is nearly ten years old now.
I thought it would be fun to discuss one of your old theories so I just posted it. Thank you again and greatly enjoy your videos, forum, and work in general with TWOIAF and all!
The Starks are Andals (or "what's in a name?")
in General (ASoIaF)
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Asia
Idk how many sources you need, but here is another clearly showing the Middle East as part of West Asia. Asia Minor is apparently specifically Turkey/Anatolia, but West Asia encompasses Asia Minor and the Middle East.