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  1. Megorova

    Chaos of Conspiracy

    Maybe they are carriers of dragonblood. My theory is based on this information: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Falena_Stokeworth https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jeyne_Lothston https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Bastard_of_Harrenhal https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Lucas_Lothston_(father_of_Manfryd) https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Manfred_Lothston https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Whent https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Petyr_Baelish#Early_Life https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Gwayne_Corbray https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Minisa_Tully https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ben_Blackthumb I think, that the Bastard of Harrenhal is a secret son of Aegon IV Targaryen and Aegon's bastard-daughter, Jeyne Lothston. In span of First Blackfyre Rebellion he was knighted. Then he went to Braavos, to meet with others like him - unacknowledged bastards of Aegon IV - children of Bellegere Otherys - Bellanora, Narha, and Balerion; and with his Blackfyre relatives. There he has fathered a bastard-son, either with Bellanora, or Narha, or with one of their daughters, or with some random girl from Braavos. This bastard-son is Petyr Baelish's great-grandfather, the sellsword from Braavos, that was hired by Lord Corbray. Because Corbrays were indebted to Blackfyres - Daemon I has spared Kingsguard Gwayne Corbray, and was killed because of his kindness. So if Daemon's family asked Lord Corbray to hire into his service certain sellsword from Braavos (who was bloodrelated to Blackfyres. If my theory is correct, then the Bastard of Harrenhal was half-brother of Daemon I Blackfyre, and thus his son, that Braavosi sellsword, was first cousin of Daemon's children), then Lord Corbray did what they asked him. The Bastard of Harrenhal has fathered a bastard-son in Braavos, but in Westeros he was a knight, and was in service of his mother's family - House Lothston. So he left either his bastard-son or his pregnant girlfriend in Braavos, and returned to Westeros. There he married, and established House Whent. And then overthrew House Lothston, and became Lord of Harrenhal. Ben Blackthumb has worked for the last Lord Lothston, then for grandfather and father of Shella Whent, and later for Shella. Shella is from the same generation as Littlefinger's grandparents. She's very old. She was married to Lord Walter Whent, and by 281 was mother of his five children. Her four sons participated in Tournament at Harrenhal, that was eventually won by Rhaegar. And her youngest child, her daughter, was supposed to be Queen of Love and Beauty of that Tournament. Shella's four sons were adults, probably already had their own children. While Littlefinger at the time of that Tournament was only 13 years old. So it's likely, that Shella Whent was old enought to be LF's grandmother. So Shella's father was from the same generation as LF's great grandfather, who was a sellsword from Braavos. And Shella's grandfather, who was first Whent Lord of Harrenhal, is from the same generation as LF's great great grandfather. So it's possible, that that sellsword from Braavos, was half-brother of Shella's father, and bastard-son of Shella's granfather, who was originally the Bastard of Harrenhal, and secret son of Aegon IV and Jeyne Lothston, and then became first Lord Whent of Harrenhal. Hoster Tully's wife was Minisa Whent. Thus, it's possible, that Catelyn Tully, Lysa and her son Robert Arryn, Edmure Tully and his little son, and all of Catelyn's children, and Petyr Baelish are all carriers of dragonblood, thru their Whent ancestors. So they could be Rhaegar's rubies - Bran, Sansa, Arya, Rickon, Robert Arryn, Edmure and his child.
  2. Megorova

    Chaos of Conspiracy

    I think, that Thoros is staying in Riverlands, because he was ordered to do so by Shiera Seastar, who is also a shadowbinder Quaithe, and the Three-eyed Crow. She's planning to perform some sort of bloodmagic ritual, on the Isle of Faces, and for that she needs 7 people with dragon blood - Rhaegar's "rubies". When Mirri Maz Duur was making preparations to save Drogo's life, thru magic she has summoned there several people, and among them Thoros - "Inside the tent the shapes were dancing, circling the brazier and the bloody bath, dark against the sandsilk, and some did not look human. She glimpsed the shadow of a great wolf, and another like a man wreathed in flames." <- most likely, it's a Red Priest, and there's not that many of them in ASOIAF, not to guess, which of them was it. Quaithe has warned Dany about Moqorro. Something like that ritual is not Benerro's level. He's a High Priest of R'hllor, so it's unlikely, that that was him. There's also Melisandre, but she's a woman, and there's Ezzelyno, but he's just some random insignificant extra character. So it was Thoros, and thus he is connected to Quaithe/Shiera Seastar. Probably, same as Mirri Maz Duur, and maester Marwyn, Thoros is also one of Shiera's agents. I think, that Shiera is GRRM's parallel to Morgana le Fay, and thus she is some sort of great mastermind, and shadow puppeteer, that is pulling by strings all important characters. So whatever conspiracy is happening in Riverlands, it's magic related, and it was orchestrated by Shiera Seastar.
  3. Megorova

    Why did Jorah push Dany to go to Asshai?

    No, that banner symbolizes Rhaego - half-Valyrian (half-"fire") and half-Dothraki (half-"horse") - Dany/fire + Drogo/horse = Rhaego/fiery stallion. So it doesn't matter whether Dany was in any way influenced by followers of R'hllor, or not, because she herself is a carrier of "dragon blood", so there is "fire" in her, and in her children, including Rhaego. Dany is the Mother of Dragons - Drogon, Rhaegel, Viseryon, and Rhaego is also a "dragon", or "fire made flesh". In the original ASOIAF trilogy, Rhaego was supposed to be one of three heads of the dragon. Though, maybe, with addition of Blackfyres into a new, altered plot, fAegon is going to become one of the "holy trinity" of ASOIAF. But originally it was supposed to be Rhaego. There was supposed to be a 5 years long time skip, so by the end of it, Rhaego was supposed to be over 7 years old (see below). In late 299 Joffrey has turned 13 years old, and died a bit later, on the first day of year 300. The Bleeding Star was seen above King's Landing on the day of Joffrey's 12th birthday, in the end of 298. So Rhaego was born in late 298, last month of that year. Since his birth, at least one and a half years has already passed -> latest events in ADWD are happening in the middle, or even in second half of year 300. By the time Dany will return to Meeren, and gather her people, and prepare for a journey to Westeros, at least another 6 months will pass. And there was supposed to be additional +5 years of time skip. So Rhaego, by the time of Dany's arrival to Westeros, was supposed to be 7+ years old. And that's old enough to ride a dragon (amongst Targaryens there were 6 and 7 years old dragonriders). So it wouldn't have mattered to Dothraki, that their Khal of khals is still a child. He's a dragonrider, so who cares how old he is? Dany is also a dragonrider, but it's irrelevant for Dothraki, because Dany is not a Dothraki, and before her, there were other dragonriders in Essos. What's important for Dothraki, is that Rhaego is half-Dothraki, so if he is also a dragonrider, managed to mount a dragon, then he is the Stallion that mounts the world, and thus - their leader. And it's completely irrelevant, how old is he. And everyone are born as babies, and then eventually grow up. So even the Stallion is supposed to be a child in the beginning of his life. So this -> "The Stallion Who Mounts the World would always have been a grown man" is
  4. Megorova

    Why did Jorah push Dany to go to Asshai?

    First of all, in that vision Rhaego was an adult, tall lord. So even if in that vision she has seen his death, still that death will happen many years in the future, after Rhaego will grow up. And second - she saw him being taken by a flame, flame that came out of his mouth and out of his heart - kiss of life/fire kiss of Red Priests, and R'hllor's symbol - burning heart. And in that vision Rhaego was under banner of a fiery stallion/fire horse - combination of symbols of Dothraki - the Stallion that mounts the world, and fire - symbol of R'hllor, so grown up Rhaego is simultaneously Khal of khals and Champion of R'hllor. Melisandre mistakenly thought, that Stannis is Champion of R'hllor, and Azor Ahai. But she was wrong, because there are three people, that are combined together are a new Azor Ahai, or the Prince that was promised, that's Dany/The Mother, Rhaego/The Son, and Jon/The Holy Ghost, like The Holy Trinity in Christianity or Catholicism (The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit) - Dany, the Mother of Dragons, is the Princess that was promised; Rhaego, Khal of khals, is the Stallion that mounts the world; and Jon is Azor Ahai and wielder of Lightbringer; and all three of them together are three heads of the dragon. Rhaego is alive. His kidnapping was the treason for blood, predicted by the Undying. And what Dany saw in that vision was metaphorical, that was not a scene of Rhaego's death. But even if that was a scene of his death - just think about it! - in that vision he was a MAN, not a newborn child. Thus he lived, for years, he grew up, and only then he died (if that indeed was a scene of his death, and not something else, like, for example, him being taken into R'hllor's service, i.e. him becoming a Red Priest - that fire from his mouth - fire kiss of Red Priests).
  5. Megorova

    Why did Jorah push Dany to go to Asshai?

    That bolded part is a pure speculation. In the ritual of hatching dragon eggs, Viserys' blood wasn't involved. Neither was Rhaego's. Let's go thru known facts of that ritual: Drogon - his egg was placed on funeral pyre first out of three, and it hatched the last out of three. Khal Drogo died first out of three blood sacrifices, so his life force was the weakest out of three sacrifices. Drogo's life has payed for Drogon. Rhaegel - his egg was placed second, and hatched also second. Next one who has died, after Dany has smothered Drogo with a pilllow, was a stallion - "Rakharo chose a stallion from the small herd that remained to them; he was not the equal of Khal Drogo's red, but few horses were. In the center of the square, Aggo fed him a withered apple and dropped him in an instant with an axe blow between the eyes. ... Over the carcass of the horse, they built a platform of hewn logs; trunks of smaller trees and limbs from the greater, and the thickest straightest branches they could find." This horse's body burned on the pyre, together with Khal Drogo and Mirri Maz Duur. Viseryon - his egg was placed the last out of three, but it hatched first out of three. Because the sacrifice with which was "bought" Viseryon's life, was the freshest out of three sacrifices - Mirri Maz Duur was burning, while she was still alive. 1. Drogon - Drogo, 2. Rhaegel - the stallion, 3. Viseryon - Mirri. Three bodies were burning on that funeral pyre, and out of that pyre hatched three dragons. Three lives for three dragons. Math is a science. People can speculate whatever they want (I myself often do that about ASOIAF), but you can't argue against math. Whether that theory makes sense to you, or not, nevertheless 3 is still = 3. With addition of Viserys and Rhaego, to those three bodies on the pyre, there are 5 of them, and 5 doesn't = 3. Five lives payed for three dragons? No! And it's illogical to exclude those two, that were present there during the ritual (Mirri, and that stallion, that burned on the funeral pyre), but include into the ritual two people (Viserys and Rhaego), that weren't there.
  6. Megorova

    Why did Jorah push Dany to go to Asshai?

    It happened in the end of AGOT. At that time GRRM has planned, that ASOIAF will be a trilogy, with a five year time skip in it (probably, for Rhaego to grow up a bit). So Jorah was pushing Dany to go to Asshai, because that's where Quaithe has taken Rhaego, after Mirri Maz Duur faked his death. In the end of his coma-dream, Bran saw dragons near Asshai. So in original version of AGOT (the trilogy with a time skip), after death of Drogo, Dany was supposed to go to Asshai, reunite there with her son, raise there him and her three dragons, and only then, after 5 years skip, to go to conquer Slavers Bay and Dothraki. Though, some time after GRRM has published AGOT, he has added a Blackfyre plotline into ASOIAF. Using this newest plotline, adding fAgon, JonCon, Golden Company, etc, GRRM was able to expand the series, and made up Slavers Bay plot, to get Dany busy with something useful (freeing slaves, gaining some political experience, rallying supporters, and gathering loyal people), instead of idly spending 5 years of her time, on raising her child in Asshai.
  7. Megorova

    R+L=J v.165

    Though in Daenora's family there was already an "accident", some sort of unspecified mishap, that happened to her brother, Aelor. So it could be a clue from GRRM, that in that family something fishy was going on, and Aerion's death was also fishy. Though if he was already drunk, and he wasn't the one, who was refilling his cup/goblet, and he wasn't looking, what exactly is he drinking, then it is possible, that he has already made a gulp or two from that cup, before he has realised what's in it. Like in this movie - they poured blue-colored drain cleaner into untransparrent mug, so the girl didn't noticed what was she going to drink. Or if a small dose of wildfire was adden into wine, and amount of wine was notably exceeding amount of wildfire in that cup, then the color and consistency would have looked, as if though it was just a normal average wine, even though actually it was a deadly substance. Though using wildfire, to kill someone like Aerion, would have been very ironic. Maybe, his wife has specifically chosen this method of killing Aerion, because she wanted to make him suffer. And I think, that, probably, drinking wildfire is more harmful, than drinking some poison, such as Tears of Lys, or a Strangler from Asshai. Also, most likely, she wanted to kill him fast. Because she was afraid of him. If she would have used some poison to kill him, and he would have felt sick, he could have realised, that he was poisoned, and, even without knowing for sure, who exactly has poisoned him, he would have wanted to kill his wife, before he would have died from that poisoning. Because he was a sadist. So if he realised, that he was dying, he would have made other people to suffer too. Wildfire is a perfect method to kill Aerion - it's fast, highly effective, and would cause to him a tremendous pain. The perfect payback from his wife. She didn't gave him a wildfire under pretence, that it will tranfsorm him into a dragon. She gave him it under pretence, that it was a normal wine. She killed him, and then told to others, that Aerion himself has drunk a wildfire, because he thought, that it will transform him into a dragon. Obviously, that people from Targaryen household, those that knew, what kind of person Aerion was, and how he treated his wife, and, probably, his other people too, they have also realised, that she lied to them, that she killed Aerion. But because no one was going to miss that creep, they let her to get away with a murder. And they supported her version of what happened, because she was pregnant, and she was family, while he deserved it. I think, that his death being actually a murder, is highly likely, because of the time of his death (when his wife was pregnant, and thus would have been set on protecting herself and her baby from Aerion's abuse); and because nowhere else in ASOIAF's history, besides this incident with Aerion, it wasn't mentioned anywhere, that anyone thought, that wildfire can have some sort of magical properties, that can turn a dragonseed/Valyrian into a real dragon; and because the only thing, that GRRM has revealed about Daenora, is that she gave birth to her and Aerion's son, in the same year as Aerion has died, and that in her own family, when she was younger, has happened some sort of mishap, between her brother and his sister-wife, that has led to his death in unknown circumstances <- after combining those three things, it becomes obvious, that Aerion's death, most likely, was a murder. There's a reason, why GRRM has placed specific information into the World book and ASOIAF's books, and has left some things out. So what he has revealed about Aerion's family and about his death, and what he has left out, are both clues, to what really has happened. I get it, that you don't like speculative theories, but it doesn't mean, that they all are incorrect.
  8. Megorova

    R+L=J v.165

    Though it isn't known in what circumstances exactly Aerion drunk that wildfire, and whether he did it intentionally. I think, that, maybe, his own wife gave him wildfire under pretence of something else, like wine, or whatever. He was drunk, and was drinking more, and instead of another cup of wine, Daenora gave him a cup of wildfire. Aerion was a sadist, and he was 10-12 years older than his wife. We know how badly he treated other people, including his family (what he did to Aegon). So it's more than likely, that Aerion was raping and beating his wife. Daenora gave birth to her son, Maegor, in 232. And Aerion also died in 232. So it seems likely, that when Daenora has find out, that she's pregnant, then to protect her baby, she killed her husband. And then she said to other Targaryens, and to people from their household, that Aerion has intentionally drunk that wildfire, because he belived, that it will transform him into a dragon. But, obviously, other Targayens realised, that this story is not what really happened. Because if they thought, that thru wildfire dragonseeds could be transformed into dragons, then they would have tried this method long ago. They would have rather had one less child, and one more dragon, in exchange for him/her. So general public thought, that Aerion has intentionally drunk a wildfire, to transform into a dragon. But Targaryens knew, that it was a lie. Thus, Aerys also knew, that wildfire won't transform him into a dragon. Did Aerys himself said, that wildfire will turn him into a dragon, or was it entirely Jaime's own speculation? Because if that is so, then Jaime's thoughts, about Aerys' possible plans, were based on that fake cover-up story about Aerion. Also it seems more likely, that even though Aerys was planning to burn KL, he didn't planned to burn with it. He was going to escape thru secret passages from Red Keep, and to sail to Dragonstone.
  9. Megorova

    Rhaella+Rhaegar=Daenerys

    At the time of Dany's conception, Rhaegar was at Trident. Dany was born 9 months after Rhaella's departure from KL to Dragonstone. Fullterm pregnancy lasts 40 weeks, that's 9 months and 7 more days. If Rhaella's pregnancy was a fullterm one, then Dany was conceived 7 days prior Rhaella's departure. It takes two weeks of time to travel from Trident (Darry castle) to KL <- Ned going to KL in AGOT. He was escorting Cersei's carriage. If not that, then, probably, it is possible to cover that distance twice faster. So at least minimum 7 days to travel Trident-KL, or KL-Trident. Rhaella went to Dragonstone, after they have received news about Rhaegar's death. The earliest time of Dany's conception is 7 days prior Rhaella's departure. And Rhaegar left KL at least 7-14 days prior his death. Ned was traveling with a carriage, and Rhaegar was traveling with an army. So it's unlikely, that he and that army managed to cover distance between KL and Trident in just 7 days. Thus there's NO WAY, that Rhaegar is Dany's father. And this is in case of a fullterm pregnancy. If Rhaella's pregnancy lasted less than 40 weeks, then the conception happened even later than in first case, and thus by the time of Dany's conception, Rhaegar was far away from KL. So there's also no way, that at the time of Dany's conception, Rhaegar was with Lyanna. Because Lyanna was in Dorne, and Rhaegar was approaching Trident, or halfway there. GRRM said that Jon is 8-9 months older than Dany. Thus, at the time of Dany's conception, Lyanna was on last month of her pregnancy. And Rhaegar has left her long before that.
  10. Megorova

    Name the Parents

  11. Dany was conceived sometime after Aerys has burned his penultimate Hand, Qarlton Chelsted. On the night after Qarlton's death, Jaime was guarding Rhaella's chambers, when Aerys was raping her. After that, Jaime saw her only once, when she was departing from King's Landing, already after Rhaegar's death at Trident. Aerys burned Qarlton Chelsted, then named pyromancer Rossart as his new Hand. Rossart was killed during the Sack of King's Landing, and it is known, that he was the Hand for two weeks, and that Dany was born 9 months after Rhaella left KL. ACOK, Tyrion I: "Aerys Targaryen's last Hand was killed during the Sack of King's Landing, though I doubt he'd had time to settle into the Tower. He was only Hand for a fortnight. The one before him was burned to death." AGOT, Dany I: "She had been born on Dragonstone nine moons after their flight, while a raging summer storm threatened to rip the island fastness apart." Fullterm pregnancy lasts 40 weeks, that's 9 months and 7 more days. So Dany was conceived somewhere in timespan between 7th day after Qarlton's death and Rhaella's last night in KL <- that's if the pregnancy was fullterm, and lasted 40 weeks. Or, if the pregnancy lasted only 9 months/39 weeks, then Dany was conceived on the night prior Rhaella's departure to Dragonstone.
  12. Megorova

    Name the Parents

    Fathers: 1. Aegon - d) An unknown man (I think, it's Barristan Selmy, and the mother is Septa Lemore, who is actually Lady Jeyne Swann). 2. Daenerys - a) Aerys II. 3. Tyrion - a) Tywin Lannister. 4. Jon - b) Rhaegar Targaryen. 5. Darkstar - d) An unknown Dayne. Mothers: 1. Aegon - e) Septa Lemore. 2. Daenerys - a) Rhaella Targaryen. 3. Tyrion - a) Joanna Lannister. 4. Jon - a) Lyanna Stark.
  13. Megorova

    Wake Dragons From Stone = Sword in the Stone

    Maybe Quaithe has placed them in pairs, not based on with whom are they traveling, but what they want from Dany. Victarion and Moqorro want to get Dany's dragons. Tyrion and JonCon want to get from Dany her political support and her armies. fAegon and Quentyn wanted to marry with Dany. Kraken and dark flame - magic; lion and griffin - power (political and military); the sun's son and the mummer's dragon - marriage.
  14. Megorova

    Wake Dragons From Stone = Sword in the Stone

    Dany, becoming Queen in Slavers Bay, and Khaleesi in Dothraki Sea, won't make her to be automatically accepted by people of Westeros as Queen of 7K. Aerys didn't disinherited Rhaegar, him naming Viserys as his heir is NOT THE SAME THING AS DISINHERITING RHAEGAR. The Great Council of 233 didn't disinherited Maegor, they passed over him, because he was just a baby, and thus couldn't be King. But if Aegon V would have died without male heirs, then the crown would have passed back to Maegor. Same thing with Viserys - if he has no male heirs, then the crown passes back to Rhaegar's male children. In case with Viserys, Aerys was deciding on his own, who's going to be next King of 7K. But that was just because he had no active Small Council at that time, and there was no one, who could have summoned a Great Council, to decide those things. But in current circumstances, when there is an acting government in 7K, when Dany or fAegon will arrive to Westeros, and when it will be revealed, that Jon is Rhaegar's son, then there will be gathered a Great Council, and all lords of 7K will be deciding, which one out of those three, should be crowned as next ruler of 7K. "Aerys chose Viserys because he is of pure Targaryen royal blood. Aegon and Rhaenys are half Dornish." - And pure blood or not, that sort of things wouldn't be a decisive factor for naming a King (or a Queen). Robert Baratheon was only 1/8 Targaryen. Baelor Breakspear was half-Targaryen half-Dornish. His own children, Valarr and Matarys, were 1/4 Targaryens, and Valarr's children were only 1/8 Targaryens, though it was them, who was next in line to be Kings, not their more pureblooded relatives, until they died, and the crown has passed to those relatives (but not because of their purer blood, but because they were next in line). Great Council will be deciding, who's going to be next King/Queen of 7K. Or maybe it will be decided by Small Council. Because, even when Robert has taken Targaryen throne by force, by right of conquest, even he still needed agreement of government, and justification of him getting Targaryen crown. Main argument in his favour was, that he was partially Targaryen, thru his paternal grandmother, Rhaelle Targaryen. To become King, isn't enough just to defeat the previous King. People just won't accept laws and governing of this new King, unless he will be legalized in some official manner. Otherwise they will just rise against this conqueror and overthrow him, and name their own King. How it happened in Yuunkai or Astapor, after Dany's departure to Meereen.
  15. Or, if Patchface is not a Faceless Man, then there's another option - he could be Varys' little bird. Steffon died, and then shortly after that, Varys has arrived to Westeros, and got established in Aerys' court. If Varys is really a Blackfyre, then could be, that he was planning to get rid of Targaryens, so first he killed Steffon (maybe thru Patchface, or maybe he hired Faceless Men), and then he became Master of Whisperers, which gave him access to Targaryens.
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