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  1. I think that Salladhor Saan is working for Varys and Blackfyres. They needed to weaken fAegon's possible rivals, such as Lannisters, Baratheons (Stannis and Renly), and Starks. It was Littlefinger's plan that clashed them all against each other, though Varys/Blackfyres desided to wrung out of it maximum advantage for themselves. In my opinion, amongst Renly's and Stannis' people there are many who are actually Varys' agents, and Salladhor is one of them. His ancestor, Samarro Saan, was one of Ninepenny Kings who supported Blackfyres during their Fifth Rebellion, in 260. It's likely that Salladhor is Samarro's son or a younger brother. Those Myrish sellswords are also working for Varys. It seems that Taena of Myr is one of Varys' agents. Tyrion found Myrish wine in the cellar of Illyrio's mansion. Young Griff is fluent in the low dialect of Myr. "Davos Seaworth notices a threadbare Myrish carpet on the floor of Lord Godric Borrell’s hall in Breakwater.[76] He also notices a Myrish carpet on the floor of Lord Wyman Manderly's secret room in the New Castle where he meets with Wyman and Robett Glover.[77]" Could be that Godric and Wyman are also working for Varys. This -> "Lord [Varys]] reveals to Tyrion that he became a eunuch while he was part of a mummer's company in Myr.[58]" and this -> "Myr is on the verge of war with Tyrosh and Lys.[70] The Myrmen contract the Golden Company and are then rumored to be supporting Tyrosh against Lys,[71] but the sellswords break their contract unexpectedly[70] before hostilities begin.[72]". Seems that Varys could have a grudge against Myr, thus he influenced their internal politics, and while official government of Myr is in confrontation with Lys and Tyrosh, some Myrmen are actually Blackfyre supporters and they work for Varys. Those Myrish sellswords that were hired by Stannis, actually were/still are working for Varys. If both Salladhor (and thus his ships also) and those Myrish sellswords are indeed Varys' agents, than this -> "During the Battle of the Blackwater, many of Stannis's Myrmen land on the southern shore of the Blackwater Rush.[67]" was not an accident, they didn't rejoined the fight later, because they weren't going to, even if Tyrion wouldn't have used a wildfire. In the original plan they also had an escape window -> "The fleet is organized into ten battle lines composed of twenty ships each. The first three lines are made up of war galleys belonging to the royal navy and the lords of the narrow sea. Behind them sails the smaller Myrish contingent, who are to land troops to attack the city, before joining the first three lines in battle." If the battle went according to Stannis' original plan, then most likely those Myrmen would have separated from main forces and then would have escaped from the battlefield. So when the main fleet got burned by wildfire, they intentionally sailed away and landed far away from the main battle, and that way didn't wasted their forces on fighting in Stannis' battle. They set him up and then escaped. Later they will resurface somewhere alongside with Golden Company and Salladhor's ships. "However, when most of his fleet is destroyed by storms, Salladhor loses heart off the Three Sisters and decides to abandon Stannis, sick of waiting for payment from the king. He refuses to take Davos to White Harbor but does not throw him overboard as he threatened. Davos is set ashore on Sweetsister by rowboat.[14] Sallador then goes on to the Stepstones to engage in piracy.[14]" <- That's what he said, that majority of his ships were destroyed by storms and that he is going to Stepstones to engage in piracy. Though all that could be a lie. Did Davos himself saw how those ships sunk? If not, then Salladhor lied to him, and he went to Stepstones to join Golden Company, not to become a pirate. Thus those Myrish sellswords from the very beginning were only pretending that they are working for Stannis, while actually they were working for Varys (same as Tyrells during Robert's Rebellion, who supposedly were Targaryen-loyalists, but actually did nothing to save Aerys or to help Rhaegar). They were there but did nothing, their actual contribution into Stannis' battles amounted to zero. Maybe.
  2. It does seems unlikely that both Valyrians and dragons lived on that peninsula for a long period of time and didn't knew about each other. If Valyrians originally were shephards, and dragons also lived there, then what did those dragons ate, if not the cattle that was herded by Valyrians? And if dragons ate cattle that belonged to Valyrians, then how come Valyrians didn't noticed that dozens of their cattle are disappearing every day? They couldn't have not known about each other. Also they couldn't have peacefully coexisted for hundreds of years without dragons killing/eating all people that lived in the area of the dragons' habitat. The only more or less passable explanation, is that the beginning of the common history between Valyrians and their dragons, is something similar to Dany's story - same as her, Valyrians bonded with little dragons that just recently hatched from their eggs. Thus those dragons perceived Valyrians as their parents/kin, and obeyed to them while they were little, and even later when they became big they still obeyd, out of habit. Though, what makes even less sense is that supposedly it took Valyrians several thousands years to defeat Ghiscari and to found their Freehold in Essos. Aegon conquered 6 out of 7 Kingdoms of Westeros in a span of 2 years, and he had only three dragons. Essos is approximately 3 times larger than Westeros, but Valyrians had at least 40 dragons (because there was 40 dragonlord Houses), and they were using magic to build roads and buildings (like Dragonstone castle, and Oldtown's/Citadel's base). Also, after the Doom of Valyria, nearly everything that they created, the customs that they imposed upon population of Essos, reversed back to how it was before Valyrians seized Essos under their control. Though look at the Slavers Bay - even though Ghiskari were supposedly defeated by Valyrians thousands years ago, and aftrewards those people and areas were ruled by Valyrians, now those people still follow customs of Ghiskari and support the social order established by Ghiskari. So, how I see it, is that Valyrians defeated Ghiskari in a span of several years, or several dozens of years, not in a span of centuries. And then they established their control over the rest of Essos in less than a century. They conquered by using dragons, and they build by using magic. And all that happened fast. Andals and Rhoynars migrated from Essos several dozens of years apart from each other. And the Roynish Wars against Valyrians lasted not 250 years, but only 25. And Andals conquered Westeros in a span of a century or so. Could be that Valyrians became dragonlords not 5500 years ago but only 550 years ago. The historians EXAGGERATED. The Doom of Valyria happened ~400 years ago. Thus Valyrians conquered and ruled over Essos for 150 years only, not for centuries or thousands of years. That's why after they were gone, after the Doom, the people that remained all over Essos, quickly reversed to how they used to live before, under the rule and by customs of Ghiskari. That's why in Slavers Bay Ghiskarian social order and customs still perceived better and prevail over those that remained after Valyrians. Because Ghiskari ruled there for thousands of years, and Valyrians only for ~150 years. And that's also why in Lys there are still a lot of people with Valyrian looks and genes. Its citizens didn't mixed with other people of Essos for thousands of years, the city was created only 500 years ago. Based on all factual data, it seems that the First Long Night happened no more than 1.000 years ago. So all following events (such as the Rise of Valyria, Andal invasion, Rhoynar invasion, etc.) happened only several centuries prior the Doom of Valyria (which happened 400 years ago). When Bran was showing Stark's family crypts to Osha, there were statues of all Lord Starks that ruled over Winterfell since it was build. And there was not enough of them to fill in a several thousands years of history. And if there was less Starks, then it also means that since the First Long Night ended, passed less time that the official history claims. The list of Lord Commanders of Night's Watch also support this possibility. There was only 674 of them. During the early years, when The Wall was only build, and the Others were still close by, it's likely that Lord Commanders died fast. Same as during the Night's Watch's major confrontations with the wildlings. Could be that many LCs ruled for only a few days or months, and were killed shortly after their appointments on this post. Thus 674 LCs in a span of 1.000 years seems to be the right amount. There's also other historical information that doesn't make sense in case if the Long Night and Andal invasion happened thousands years ago. Sam found books in which it was mentioned that the Children remained in contact with the Watchers, and each year provided them with dragonglass daggers. The books were written by maesters, and maesters are a custom that was brought to Westeros by Andals. Same as knighthood and tournaments. Uthor of the High Tower was amongst those people who participated in the first ever tournament in Westeros. In result of that tournament he married with Maris the Maid, aunt of Bran the Builder. The historical sources claimed that some Andals arrived to Westeros prior the Invasion. Combination of all that historical information (about Ghiskari, Valyrians, Andals, Starks at Winterfell, knights, maesters and tournaments) makes sense if the First Long Night happened 1.000 years ago, after it ended first Andals, Daynes and Hightowers arrived to Westeros, settled there and brought their customs, several centuries later other Andals and Rhoynars became oppressed by Valyrians and also migrated to Westeros. We should look at the bigger picture, and to include all known information into it. And with inclusion of all that data, in combination with what George Martin said about Daynes, that they are not of Valyrian origin, the most sense makes the possibility that Daynes and Hightowers have similar traits with Valyrians, even though they are not Valyrians, because they and Valyrians had a common ancestor, the one who lived prior the First Long Night - Amethyst Empress. Azor is similar to azure, the color of sky/blue/cerulean. There's also a gemstone Lazurite or Lapis lazuri, which is blue-colored. Azor Ahai as a son of the Amethyst Empress fits into the pattern with other rulers of Yi Ti - Jade Emperor, Topaz, Onyx, Tourmaline, etc. I bet that if Azor Ahai was not the son of the Amethyst Empress, then at least they were bloodrelated, and both Daynes/Hightowers and Valyrians got their traits (blond hair and unusually colored eyes) from their Yi-Ti ancestors from the Great Empire of the Dawn. Even the Empire's name is in harmony with Dawn sword of Daynes. I'm sure that GRRM will eventually reveal Dawn's origin in further books, and that he will confirm that Daynes and Valyrians are Azor Ahai's descendants. So let's wait for that book .
  3. Velaryons and Celtigars arrived to Westeros long before Targaryens. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Velaryon#Origins House Dayne and Hightower are not as old as First Men. In my opinion could be that the chronology went like this - 1. First Men arrived to Westeros, lived there for thousands years, 2. First Long Night happened and ended, the Last Hero, founder of House Stark, Bran the Builder, made a Pact with the Children, build The Wall, then Winterfell, 3. Azor Ahai with his family migrated to Dorne, Bran the Builder or his son Brandon Stark build Hightower for King Uthor/ or first Hightower build four wooden towers, and then his successor hired Brandon Stark to build stone tower. So the first Hightower was from the same generation as Bran the Builder, and his sucessor, King Uthor, was from the same generation as Bran's son. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Hightower#House_Hightower So the migration of Hightowers to Westeros happened shortly after the First Long Night ended. Not thousands years before that, when First Men were only settling there. 4. dragons hatched at Valyria, ~5.000-5.500 years ago, at this same time at Asshai was given a prophecy about the Second Long Night. Also this https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Hightower#Black_Stone_Fortress "The foundation of the Hightower is a fortress of black stone of uncertain origin on Battle Isle. The stone is reminiscent of Valyrian roads and the Black Walls of Volantis.[6] A possible Valyrian origin is supported by the claim of Maester Jellicoe that Oldtown began as a trading post for ships of Valyria, Old Ghis, and the Summer Isles, predating the arrival of the First Men to Westeros. Septon Barth claimed Valyrians came to Westeros because their priests prophesied that the Doom of Man would come out of the land beyond the narrow sea.[6]" This information could be partially correct and partially wrong. Could be that the foundation of Hightower is of Valyrian origin, and first Hightowers used the same technologies as their relatives at Valyria, and Oldtown indeed was build as a trading port for ships of Valyria, Old Ghis, and the Summer Isles. Though, the part according to which it predated the arrival of the First Men to Westeros, is wrong. Hightowers/Oldtown traded with Valyrians, because they were bloodrelated. And they traded with Old Ghis because at that point in time Ghiskari weren't yet enemies to Valyrians, and it was before Valyrians had dragons. We don't know even approximately when exactly happened First Long Night, when Valyrians tamed dragons and used them in Ghiscari wars, etc. Thus it is possible that Daynes are Azor Ahai's descendants, and that they arrived to Westeros some time after the First Long Night ended. Also could be that even though 40 of Azor's sons settled at Valyria, their dragons hatched much later. Or could be that the Long Night was not as far back in the past as maesters claim. One of options is that Azor's descendants migrated and settled at Valyria and Westeros, then hundreds or thousands years later, approximately 5000 years ago, at the same time when dragons hatched at Valyria, at Asshai was given the prophecy about the Second Long Night. In span of years between the First Long Night and the time when this prophecy was given, Ghiskari and Valyrians became enemies, so when Valyrians tamed dragons, they used them against Ghiskari. Could be that several thousands years passed since the First Long Night ended, if it was 8 or 6 thousands years ago. The point is - we don't know. GRRM intentionally gave to readers vague information with imprecise timeframe. It can. So far we don't have a precise timeline, so everything isn't yet set in stone. We don't know when the First Men came to Westeros. Only that they came there before the First Long Night, before Andals, and before the Doom of Valyria. We don't know when the First Long Night happened, or when Andals invaded, or when Valyrians founded their Freehold. We don't know when Daynes and Hightowers arrived to Westeros. Though, based on the list of the Night's Watch's Lord Commanders, the one that Sam found, it seems likely that the First Long Night was not as far back in the past as people think. There is a possibility that the end of the First Long Night, Valyrians settling at Valyria, Daynes and Hightowers building their castles and Oldtown, all that happened one soon after the other, and no more than 6.000 years ago, or even less. None of what we do know for now, doesn't contradict this possibility.
  4. I think that one of Ashara's ancestors was either 1) one of those six half-Targaryen/half-Hightower girls, who then possibly married with one of Daynes; or 2) one of Daenerys Targaryen's and Maron Martell's children, who possibly married into House Dayne; or 3) all Daynes are descendants of Azor Ahai, and Azor is son of Amethyst Empress, and all Valyrians and Daynes are Azor's direct descendants (and Hightowers, who, in my opinion, were scouts of House Dayne (that's why their motto is "We light the way"), when Azor and his family were migrating from Asshai thru Valyria to Dorne, to build there Starfall, at the place where crashed meteorite from which Azor forged Dawn/Lightbringer). For example, if all founders of 40 dragonlord families of Valyria were Azor's sons, in parallel to 44 sons of Hugor of the Hill, first King of Andals. The remaining 4 came to Westeros and became founders of House Dayne, Hightower, Velaryon, and Celtigar. I think that Azor Ahai was something like R'hllor's High Priest who served at the temple at Asshai, where he forged Lightbringer. In parallel to the Fiery Hand (or vice versa) Azor had five wives. Nissa Nissa was his fifth wife. She gave birth to four of Azor's sons, those who later founded those 4 Houses at Westeros. And Azor's other wives each gave birth to 10 sons. Nissa was Azor's youngest most favourite wife, they were married less time than four others, thus she had time to give birth only to 4 children. And those four children after the Long Night ended, didn't wanted to stay with their 40 half-siblings at Valyria, when they migrated from Asshai, because their mother was sacrificed by AA, but the mothers of those 40 were alive.
  5. That he will warg into Ghost, and their connection will be so tight, that Jon will have problems with returning back into his own body. The attack was so sudden and violent, that his mind/consciousness could be unwilling/scared to return back into his body, because it will think that to stay in Ghost is better than to return into a body that is in severe pain and stress. Also never before have he deliberately warged into Ghost, it was always either spontaneous occurrences that resulted into fleeting and weak connections, or while Jon was sleeping and thus his consciousness mind was not in the way of their connection. This time he intentionally warged into Ghost, remembering what Melisandre told him, to keep Ghost near him. In that moment when he was loosing consciousness, he saw Ghost's body as a safe harbour, so he went there. This time their connection will be stronger than ever before, their souls will merge together, to the point where Jon will be unable to distinguish his own consciousness from Ghost's consciousness. And thus it will be not only super hard for Jon to disconnect from Ghost and to go back into his own body, they will be so tightly connected, Jon will be so lost in Ghost, that he won't even be aware where is he, who is he, what happened, and what is happening. He will loose his sense of self. And thus someone will have to help his soul to wake up from that state, to remind him who he is, and to nudge him back to go to his own body. It's likely that that someone will going to be Borroq. That's why he's there. GRRM will use him to help Jon's soul to disconnect from Ghost, and to return back into his own body. Borroq is a trained and experienced skinchanger, so it's Jon's luck that someone like that is present at the Castle Black when Jon's skinchanging went wrong.
  6. The first attacker just nicked Jon on the side of his neck. Then Jon was stabbed once in his belly. He was wearing multiple layers of clothes, including a fur cloak that covered his back. The next hit landed on his back, but could be that it wasn't a deep wound. It would have been hard to stab deep thru all those layers of fur, mail, leather, and wool. So unless that attacker managed to jab his dagger between vertebraes and damaged Jon's spine, or the dagger went all the way thru all those layers and deep into his body to his heart or one of his lungs, which is very unlikely, then that last hit didn't made a big or serious wound. Also, unless that dagger that stabbed Jon in the belly got thru his diaphragm to his internal organs, or nicked a major blood vessel, then that wound is also not deadly. I don't think that Jon died as result of that assassination attempt. Thus he won't require a resurrection. Jon was stabbed two times. And the second one, most likely, wasn't even deep. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_XV#Assassination_attempt "On 5 January 1757, as the King was getting into his carriage in the courtyard of the Grand Trianon Versailles, a demented man, Robert-François Damiens, pushed through the King's guards and attacked the King, stabbing him in the side with a small knife. The King's guards seized Damien, and the King ordered them to hold him but not harm him. The King walked up the steps to his rooms at the Trianon, where he found he was bleeding seriously. He summoned his doctor and a priest, and then fainted.[64] Louis was saved from greater harm by the thickness of the winter clothing he was wearing." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Stabbing_survivors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Finch_(died_1763) (1692-1763) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begum_Samru (1753-1836) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Farquhar (1774-1839) That's not examples from Medieval ages, though there's not much difference between medical treatment in those times (1600-late1800) and Medieval ages, because both were prior invention of antibiotics (in late 1880s), X-ray (1895), and Louis Pasteur's discovery (1881) that diseases are caused by bacterias. So those four examples from above, people that were stabbed like Jon, weren't treated much differently than what maesters and other "medical workers" do in Westeros while treating victims of stabbing.
  7. I ignored your post because you don't read/understand what I wrote earlier. So, what's the point of me wasting my time on answering to you, if you won't understand it, same as you haven't understood it before? You just don't undestand what you're reading. 1. Previously you didn't comprehended what was the point of the ritual, that Lazy Leo described to Sam, that the point of that nightly vigil with a glass candle is to make an acolyte to realise that some things are impossible, same as it's impossible to ignite a glass candle. Though now, after the dragon-magic has returned, that ritual is pointless, it lost its sense because now it's not impossible to lit a glass candle. So now that tradition became useless, even though majority at the Citadel are still unaware of it (that the glass candles are working again). 2. First of all, nope. I've just checked, and Urrathon NW was mentioned in DaenerysV, while she was in the HotU in DaenerysIV. It is also what the Wiki says. And Xaro said this to Daenerys among those other warnings for what she had done in the HotU. Still, we can't know what he meant by saying that. And AGAIN you just don't read. Actually READ what I wrote. I wrote there, in the quote above - "that conversation with Quaithe". What conversation with Quaithe? -> The one that I quoted, where Quaithe said "Half a year gone, that man could scarcely wake fire from dragonglass." Dragonglass/obsidian is the material from which glass candles are made. So what is the meaning of a phrase "wake fire from dragonglass"? What other meaning could it have, besides igniting a glass candle? Does dragonglass make fire? Is there any instances in the books where dragonglass was burning, in some other form, not in a form of a glass candle? -> No, there was no instances like that. Thus, the only meaning of a phrase "wake fire from dragonglass" is "to ignite/to lit a glass candle". Thus, the conversation that Dany had with Quaithe in Chapter 3 of ACOK, is an evidence that glass candles became reignited BEFORE Dany burned the House of the Undying. That conversation happened in Chapter 3, the burning happened in Chapter 4, and the conversation in which Xaro mentioned Urrathon was in Chapter 5. But I didn't wrote in that previous post about Xaro's conversation with Dany, in which Xaro mentioned Urrathon, I wrote about Dany's conversation with Quaithe, the conversation in which there was no mentioning of Urrathon Nightwalker, or his house, or his glass candles. So why are you answering to that post with ? I wrote about Dany's conversation with Quaithe in Chapter 3. What you checked and posted afterwards is entirely unconnected to what is written in that my post to which you replied. Glass candles are valuable and useless. They are valuable because they are ancient magical artifacts. And they are useless because they don't work. At least that's what the situation was until recently. Now they are not useless, now they work again. Though, most likely, rather even DEFINITELY, other maesters at the Citadel are still unaware that glass candles are working again. Because Marwyn didn't shared this information with them. The only people at the Citadel that know that glass candles are working again are Marwyn and several of his closest acolytes - Leo, Alleras and fakePate. If other maesters would have known that glass candles are working again, then they either would have destroyed them, or the opposite - they would have used them all the time, to spy after everyone all over the world, in which case Marwyn and his fellas wouldn't have had an access even to a single glass candle, all candles would have been taken by other observers, greater archmaesters and Marwyn's superiors. Though until recently there was no reason for the supervisors of the Citadel to forbid to anyone (who has access to the Citadel's other resources) to take a glass candle, for whatever reason. I think that they were not guarded, not kept somewhere hidden and under locks. Anyone (not anyone anyone, just anyone from the Citadel - maesters, acolytes, etc.) could have taken a glass candle without asking a permission to take one, without informing anyone what are they intending to do with it. No one cared if someone took one, because glass candles weren't working. By "someone took one", I don't mean took it away permanently, I mean took it temporarily and without taking it outside of the Citadel's premises. Like a special library book that is forbidden to be taken anywhere outside of the library, but is allowed to be used in the library. Thus, to answer your question - that glass candle wasn't given to Marwyn to use, it wasn't given to him at all. He himself took it. And no one prevented him from taking it, and no one even asked him why is he taking it, or what is he intending to do with it, because no one knew that it's working. And Marwyn found out that the glass candles are working again, because his ex-teacher, Shiera/Quaithe, told him. And she found out that they are working again, because she's a dragonseed and she's a sorceress, so she felt it when the dragon-magic returned into the world, after Dany had that dragon-dream in AGOT-DanyCh3. Shiera realised that glass candles are working again, and she used one of them (because it's likely that she owned one since way back, when she was a member of Targaryen court) to contact Marwyn. She came to him in a dream (like she appeared to Dany in AGOT, Dany IX and ADWD, Dany X) or in a vision (like she appeared to Dany in ADWD, Dany II and before that in one of the other books, don't remember which one was it, when Dany was on board of her ship, Balerion, and thought that she had a dream, but she wasn't sleeping at that time), and told him that glass candles are working again, and that he should take one for himself out of the Citadel's storages, or wherever they were keeping their ancient and valuable but useless artifatcs. Any actual proof for that? By "reignited" I meant started working again. And it's entirely different matter whether now they are burning all the time, 24/7, or whether to use them the user has to lit one everytime he wants to use it, and to extinguish it every time after using. Also a different question whether the one who lits the candle has to have some special power, for example to be a dragonseed, or whether anyone can lit it by using a match or a normal candle or other non-magical source of fire. The obvious answer is that either now 1. glass candles burn all the time, and they got litened on their own by a magical fire that appeared from within the dragonglass from which the candles are made, or 2. if they don't burn all the time, then it's likely that now, when they have a magic fuel inside them (dragon-magic), they can be litened and used by anyone. You're wrong. They created that ritual after glass candles became useless, after the last dragon died and it became impossible to lit a glass candle. The whole point of that ritual is to make acolytes to accept that some things are impossible, same as it's impossible to lit a glass candle (in the world where there's no dragons). @Daeron the Daring I wrote my opinion, you are free to disagree with it. I already posted here what I wanted to say about Urrathon Night Walker, so I'm done with this thread.
  8. In Essos Azor Ahai killed all the Others with his Lightbringer, but in Westeros the Children and the Last Hero (a Stark) just pushed them back into far North and they build The Wall to keep them there. The Others lived/existed beyond The Wall all this time, for thousands of years since the First Long Night ended. Dragons hatched in Valyria shortly after FLN ended. I think that Azor Ahai and his people migrated from Asshai thru Valyria to Dorne, where they build Starfall. Dawn of Daynes is AA's Ligtbringer, and Valyrians are AA's children/descendants. The dragon reappered in the world as an aswear against the Others. Dragons existed on Planetos even millions or thousands years ago, though by the time of FLN they became extinct. I think that AA had prophetic fire-vision and thru them he found out that in the future there will be another Long Night, and that his sucessor, the Promised Prince, will finally defeat all the Others all over the world by using dragons, and Lightbringer. Also in a vision he saw what he has to do to forge Lightbringer (to sacrifice Nissa Nissa), and later how to hatch dragons (in Valyria), and that he has to build Starfall, at the place where crashed meteorite from which he forged Lightbringer. So both Ice magic and Fire magic existed on Planetos in various forms for thousands of years, since the First Long Night. When the dragons became extinct, after the Dance of the Dragons war, fire magic became substantially weaker. For example, glass candles stopped working. Though the fire magic existed even before dragons were hatched at Valyria. Azor Ahai was something like R'hllor's priest. He forged Lightbringer in a temple, in sacred flames. The fire is sacred in R'hllor's religion, and AA was forging Ligtbringer for 6 months. To be able to spend so much time at the temple, and all that time to have access to their sacred fire, he had to be one of them, a priest of R'hllor. Isn't it logical? AA's abbilities and him forging Ligtbringer is an evidence that fire magic existed even when there was no dragons. Furthermore, the prophecy about the Promised Prince and the Second Long Night was given at Asshai 5.000 years ago shortly prior the dragons hatched at Valyria. So, in my opinion, the fire magic existed always, even before dragons. Though, when there's dragons, the fire magic is stronger. The magic in general isn't returning to the world, it was always there, it never went anywhere. What is returning is specifically dragon-magic, a brand of fire-magic. Besides dragon-magic, there always were other forms of fire-magic. For example, dragonseeds had prophetic abbilities even when there was no dragons. Egg's brother Daeron had dragon-dreams even after dragons became extinct. Same with Daemon II Blackfyre. So the dragon-dreams are not exactly "dragon-based", more like they are "fire-based". There was no dragons in the world, but people with dragon-blood still were able to see prophetic visions/dreams. This is an evidence that "dragon-dreaming" is based on fire magic not on dragon-magic, and also that fire magic always remained in the world even when there was no dragons. Though with return of the dragons the fire-magic became stronger. Reapperance of dragon-magic reignited glass candles, etc.
  9. It's ridiculous how some readers manage to misinterpret even a basic simple things. What that guy said, that text in the quote, it's about their tradition at the Citadel, it's the ritual that is usually done by an acolyte prior he will say his vows. When years ago Marwyn was an acolyte, he also went thru this ritual, and same as everyone else for years before and after him, he failed to lit the candle. Because (until recently) it was impossible. Because without dragon-magic glass candles don't work. That was THEN, and this is NOW: "Lazy Leo burst out laughing. “Not possible for you, you mean. I saw the candle burning with my own eyes." " Leo saw an ignited glass candle recently, and it started burning also recently. You completely misunderstood what was happening in the book. The glass candle that Marwyn has, is not his private property, also he isn't the one who ignited it. All glass candles reignited by themselves, after the dragon-magic returned into the world, after Dany's dragon-dream. The glass candle that Marwyn has, wasn't ignited by him many years ago during his vigil, it got ignited on its own not long time ago. No, that's where you're wrong again. Quaithe and Dany met second time in ACOK, Dany III. Quaithe mentioned glass candles: Dragonglass IS Valyrian glass, it's the same thing. Dragonglass, obsidian, volcanic glass. It's the material from which glass candles are made. To "wake fire from dragonglass" means to ignite/use a glass candle. Dany burned the House of the Undying in Chapter IV, and that conversation with Quaithe happened one chapter before the burning of HotU, in Chapter III. So no, the candles burned even before Dany fried the Undying.
  10. I think that you are misinterpreting what is written there. For some reason some readers don't understand what GRRM wrote, like in that case with Rhaegar's departure from Dragonstone - GRRM meant that Rhaegar went away from Dragonstone in early 283, and then months later kidnapped Lyanna. Though many readers, what was written by GRRM, interpreted as if though Rhaegar both departed from Dragonstone and kidnapped Lyanna shortly afterwards, and all that happened in early 283, thus they also had a wrong understanding of the entire timeline of Robert's Rebellion. What is written in the quote above means that the glass candles IN GENERAL have not burned in a hundred years. For the past 100+ years they have not burned all over the world, not only in the house of Urrathon Nightwalker. 100 years ago, 50 years ago, maybe even 10 years ago that house in Qarth either didn't even existed, or the building itself was there, but it wasn't at that time called the House of Urrathon Nightwalker. Because Urrathon has only recently became a tenant of Qarth, maybe he bought (or build) that house only a year ago, or 3 years ago, or 5 or 10. And before Urrathon bought/build that house, that house didn't had glass candles in it. He brought glass candles there, when he bought/build that house. The glass candles in general, all over the world, have not burned in a hundred years, because for a hundred years there was no living dragons in the world. The last dragon died in 153 AC, and that was 146 years ago. 299 - 153 = 146. That phrase, about glass candles in Urrathon's house, was said in first half on 299, several months after Rhaego's birth/dragons' hatching/the appearance of the Bleeding Star. And the year 299 is a hundred+ (146) years distant from the time when there were living dragons in the world, dragons whose life-force served a role of a "spiritual fuel" for glass candles. No dragons = glass candles don't burn. The dragons returned, and the glass candles (all over the world) reignited. In the Citadel, in Urrathon's house in Qarth, in Quaithe's residence, etc. Now, when exactly did the "dragon magic" returned? Was it when Dany's dragons hatched in Drogo's funeral pyre? NO! It was even BEFORE that. It happened since THIS moment (AGOT, Dany III): "Day followed day, and night followed night, until Dany knew she could not endure a moment longer. She would kill herself rather than go on, she decided one night… Yet when she slept that night, she dreamt the dragon dream again. Viserys was not in it this time. There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood. Her blood, Dany sensed. Its eyes were pools of molten magma, and when it opened its mouth, the flame came roaring out in a hot jet. She could hear it singing to her. She opened her arms to the fire, embraced it, let it swallow her whole, let it cleanse her and temper her and scour her clean. She could feel her flesh sear and blacken and slough away, could feel her blood boil and turn to steam, and yet there was no pain. She felt strong and new and fierce. And the next day, strangely, she did not seem to hurt quite so much. It was as if the gods had heard her and taken pity. Even her handmaids noticed the change. “Khaleesi,” Jhiqui said, “what is wrong? Are you sick?” “I was,” she answered, standing over the dragon’s eggs that Illyrio had given her when she wed. She touched one, the largest of the three, running her hand lightly over the shell. Black-and-scarlet, she thought, like the dragon in my dream. The stone felt strangely warm beneath her fingers…or was she still dreaming? She pulled her hand back nervously. From that hour onward, each day was easier than the one before it. Her legs grew stronger; her blisters burst and her hands grew callused; her soft thighs toughened, supple as leather." Dany was changed by a dragon magic. Thru her dream she formed a spiritual bond with Drogon's embryo. When Dany had that dream, the dragon magic has returned into the world, the embryo inside the egg started growing, the egg became warm, Dany's body started changing, she became stronger. Same/similar thing happened with Aenys I Targaryen - At birth, Aenys was small, with spindly limbs and small, watery eyes. He was weak and sickly for the first few years of his life, and slow to grow, but once he was given the hatchling Quicksilver, Aenys began to thrive.[3][6] Even though the dragons hatched only after Rhaego's birth, the dragon magic returned into the world 9+ months prior Rhaego's birth, shortly after Dany's wedding with Khal Drogo, in second half of 297, when she had that dream about Drogon and formed a bond with him. That's why maester Marwyn and Shiera Seastar/Quaithe were able to use glass candles to "visit" Dany when she was giving birth to Rhaego. They both were assisting her with the childbirth. This is Marwyn, it's not Jorah, it's Marwyn, whos projection/spirit "teleported" into Drogo's tent, unseen by people who doesn't have a dragon-magic in them, Dany does, that's why she saw (AGOT, Dany IX): "Ser Jorah’s face was drawn and sorrowful. “Rhaegar was the last dragon,” he told her. He warmed translucent hands over a glowing brazier where stone eggs smouldered red as coals. One moment he was there and the next he was fading, his flesh colorless, less substantial than the wind. “The last dragon,” he whispered, thin as a wisp, and was gone." He wasn't just warming his hands, he placed his hands above fire/eggs and used their power like a battery, to recharge himself for a return trip/teleportation to the Citadel, where his body at that time was using a glass candle. It was Marwyn's "apparition", it was transparrent / translucent, because he wasn't physically there, only his spirit/shadow "teleported" there by using a glass candle. Same as Quaithe did here (ADWD, Dany II): " "How did you get past my guards?” “I came another way. Your guards never saw me.” “If I call out, they will kill you.” “They will swear to you that I am not here.” “Are you here?” “No. ..." .... "Dany glanced back toward the persimmon tree. There was no woman there. No hooded robe, no lacquer mask, no Quaithe. A shadow. A memory. No one." That's why Jorah saw no one, only shadows, with Mirri Maz Duur, when she was performing that ritual to save Drogo, but Dany saw something, (AGOT, Dany VIII and IX): "No, Dany wanted to say, no, not that, you mustn’t, but when she opened her mouth, a long wail of pain escaped, and the sweat broke over her skin. What was wrong with them, couldn’t they see? Inside the tent the shapes were dancing, circling the brazier and the bloody bath, dark against the sandsilk, and some did not look human. She glimpsed the shadow of a great wolf, and another like a man wreathed in flames." “My son was alive and strong when Ser Jorah carried me into this tent,” she said. “I could feel him kicking, fighting to be born.” “That may be as it may be,” answered Mirri Maz Duur, “yet the creature that came forth from your womb was as I said. Death was in that tent, Khaleesi.” “Only shadows,” Ser Jorah husked, but Dany could hear the doubt in his voice. “I saw, maegi. I saw you, alone, dancing with the shadows. “ " Maester Marwyn and Quaithe-Shiera "teleported" into Drogo's tent, when Dany was giving birth to Rhaego, that is evidence that glass candles were reignited even before the dragons hatched. This is Quaithe with glass candle in her hands, a burning glass candle: "Ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. In their hands were swords of pale fire... the ghosts cried as one" The Ghosts cried as one, because it was ONE PERSON - Quaithe, with a glass candle in her hands, an ignited glass candle. The candles got ignited even before the dragons hatched, they were ignited after Dany had that dream in AGOT, Dany III, in second half of 297 AC. The phrase about glass candles burning in the house of Urrathon Nightwalker was said in first half of 299, and Dany had that dragon-dream in second half of 297. Thus the glass candles were reignited sometime between second half of 297 and first half of 299. Either it happened immediately after Dany's dream, when Drogon's egg became warm, or it happened gradualy, in case if the dragon magic also was returning into the world gradually, becoming stronger with the passage of time, same as Dany was becoming a bit stronger every day after that dream. So the glass candles were not burning all over the world for a hundred (~144-146) years, since 153 AC, when the last dragon died, and until they were reignited recently, in 297-299 AC, also all over the world, including in the house of Urrathon Nightwalker. And they got reignited because their "fuel"/the dragon magic has returned. The glass candles stopped burning when all dragons died, and they started burning again when the dragons/dragon-magic returned.
  11. I think that Urrathon Night Walker is one of Euron Greyjoy's aliases. In my opinion, Euron is a parallel to Urrathon Badbrother, and Theon is a parallel to Torgon Greyiron, who was Urrathon's nephew, same as Theon is Euron's nephew. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Urrathon_IV_Goodbrother https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Torgon_Greyiron Those two had the same unlawful kingsmoot situation as Euron and Theon. Also I think that both shadowbinder Quaithe and the Three-Eyed Crow is Shiera Seastar, and that Euron's other alias is the Crow's Eye because he is the third eye of the Three-Eyed Crow. Him and Shiera are binded by magic bond based on blood magic. She can see thru his dark eye, the one he keeps covered. I think he betrayed her and now he has to cover that eye to keep his ex-teacher from spying on him. When Dany was in Qarth, soon after her 15th birthday (May of 299), she was approached by the Captain of the Cinnamon Wind, who brought her news about King Robert's death. She asked him - " "When does your ship return to Westeros, Captain?" "Not for a year or more, I fear. From here the Cinnamon Wind sails east, to make the trader's circle round the Jade Sea." " Though they didn't sailed east, because months later the ship was at Braavos, where one of her crew met Sam, and offered him, Gilly and maester Aemon a passage to Oldtown. So I think that the Cinnamon Wind was supposed to sail to the Jade Sea, specifically to Asshai, to fetch from there Quaithe. Though Quaithe's glass candle ignited when Dany in AGOT had a dream about Drogon, after that dream his egg became warm, and Dany's physical condition also began changing. So the fire-magic returned to the world even before Dany's dragons actually hatched. Quaithe was able to use glass candle even before the appearance of the Bleeding Star. She used glass candle to get to Dany in AGOT, when Dany was giving birth to Rhaego. This is Quaithe/Shiera Seastar: "Ghosts lined the hallway, dressed in the faded raiment of kings. In their hands were swords of pale fire. They had hair of silver and hair of gold and hair of platinum white, and their eyes were opal and amethyst, tourmaline and jade." - faded raiment of kings is red&black - traditional colors of Targaryen court, Quaithe's black cape and red mask. Swords of pale fire is actually a glass candle. Opal is stone with mixed green-blue coloration. There are blue and green, and blue-green bi-colored tournalines and jades. Amethysts have a secondary hue, it's either red or blue. Shiera Seastar has mismatched blue green eyes, like the color of those four stones. So the Cinnamon Wind took Quaithe on board and they sailed to Braavos, where on her order they offered assistance to Sam and maester Aemon, who is Quaithe's grand-nephew. Euron/Urrathon also has a glass candle, and thus he knew where his ex-teacher is going. So he sent his ships to catch her. In Sam's last chapter in AFFC crows were mentioned/appeared three times: That was Euron's banner - black iron crown supported by two crows. Euron is the one who is mad enough to raid so close to Oldtown. I think that when the Cinnamon Wind was stopped by the ship of Hightowers, shortly prior their arrival to Oldtown, Shiera switched ships and continued her voyage on board of the Huntress, and she sailed north to The Wall. There's a Crow's Nest castle in 7K, owned by House Morrigen. It's a hint towards Morrigan, phantom queen and Crow goddess. It's a parallel to Shiera, who is a shadowbinder and the Three-Eyed Crow. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Morrígan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Badb That deity is also associated with the banshee. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banshee From Old Irish it translates as "woman of the fairy mound". Those mounds are graves, also called long barrows. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumulus When the wildling witch Morna arrived to Castle Black, Jon sent her to the Long Barrow. https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Long_Barrow#A_Dance_with_Dragons Mor in Morna translates from Old Irish or Welsh or Breton as "the sea", same as Morrigan and Morgan le Fay, and the Sea part in Shiera's name. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morgan_le_Fay#Etymology_and_origins Morna is wearing a wooden mask, same as Quaithe. And she kissed Jon's hand. In ADWD Jon was also kissed by the moon, ADWD Jon VI - "You should look behind you, Lord Snow. The moon has kissed you and etched your shadow upon the ice twenty feet tall." In his dream the moon chased Jon, ADWD Jon I: " "Snow," the moon insisted. The white wolf ran from it, racing toward the cave of night where the sun had hidden". - In that dream the moon is Shiera, and the sun is Bloodraven, the cave of night is the Children's Cave. In Dothraki legends the Sun is a husband, and the Moon is his wife. They are also parallels to the Lion of the Night and his wife the Maiden-made-of-Light. It's likely that Morna is one of Shiera's apprentices, same as Euron, maester Marwyn, Mirri Maz Duur, and Malora Hightower. There's a hint in the books that Shiera previously visited the land of Wildlings, ASOS Jon I: Shiera is a cat-skinchanger, same as her mother Serenei/Larra Rogare. The grandmother to whom belonged that silk was actually Johanna Swann, Larra Rogare's mother. Shiera possessed a shadowcat, and made it to attack Mance. Then she used shadow-glamour and pretended that she's one of the wildlings. While she was treating Mance from his wounds, she was using magic on him, and because of that influence he deserted from Night's Watch, and unknowingly to him went to do Shiera's binding, by uniting all Wildlings into a single tribe, for Jon later to lead them as his army against the Others. Jon is the Promised Prince and Shiera orchestrated events beyong The Wall in his favour. Because of Shiera Euron knows all about the prophecy and he is trying to use that knowledge to become the King of 7K. This is from TWOW, The Forsaken: "When he laughed his face sloughed off and the priest saw that it was not Urri but Euron, the smiling eye hidden. He showed the world his blood eye now, dark and terrible. Clad head to heel in scale as dark as onyx, he sat upon a mound of blackened skulls as dwarfs capered round his feet and a forest burned behind him. “The bleeding star bespoke the end,” he said to Aeron. “These are the last days, when the world shall be broken and remade. A new god shall be born from the graves and charnel pits.” Then Euron lifted a great horn to his lips and blew, and dragons and krakens and sphinxes came at his command and bowed before him. “Kneel, brother,” the Crow’s Eye commanded. “I am your king, I am your god. Worship me, and I will raise you up to be my priest.” “Never. No godless man may sit the Seastone Chair!” “Why would I want that hard black rock? Brother, look again and see where I am seated.” Aeron Damphair looked. The mound of skulls was gone. Now it was metal underneath the Crow’s Eye: a great, tall, twisted seat of razor sharp iron, barbs and blades and broken swords, all dripping blood." "The dreams were even worse the second time. He saw the longships of the Ironborn adrift and burning on a boiling blood-red sea. He saw his brother on the Iron Throne again, but Euron was no longer human. He seemed more squid than man, a monster fathered by a kraken of the deep, his face a mass of writhing tentacles. Beside him stood a shadow in woman’s form, long and tall and terrible, her hands alive with pale white fire." <- That's Shiera's "shadow" with a glass candle in her hands, she's spying after Euron.
  12. 1. No. 2. I think that when Rhaegar "kidnapped" Lyanna, he brough her to Starfall not to the Tower of Joy. So Ashara and Lyanna spent months together and became friends. When Lyanna died, and Arthur was killed by the father of Ashara's daughter, Howland and Ashara faked her death and she took a new name, to honor her friend she took a name similar to Lyanna's - Jyanna. Based on how Meera was telling to Bran the story of her father's adventures at Harrenhal, it seems to me that that's when Howland fell in love with Ashara, that's why he noted everyone with whom she danced that evening. Also Howland was with Ned at Dorne, when Lyanna died and Ashara Dayne supposedly died. Thus there is a possibility that Ashara went with Howland, he too was there in Dorne.
  13. Lemore is Jeyne Swann, fAegon's mother. Ashara is Jyana Reed.
  14. I think it was 6 months after Rhaenys' birth, because it seems that Aegon was conceived at King's Landing in early 281. Rhaegar and Elia married in early 280, Rhaenys was born in late 280. If her parents went to King's Landing 6 months after her birth, to present her to the King, then that's also when they conceived Aegon, while they were at KL. Aegon was born either in very late 281 or very early 282, thus he was conceived in early 281 (Elia was heavily pregnant during Harrenhal's tournament, that took place close to the end of 281). My estimates is that Aegon was conceived in April 281 (born in December 281 or January 282), Rhaenys was born in October 280, and the Wedding was in January 280.
  15. Maybe because they were transporting it to Dorne, which has a very hot climate. So they thought that the flesh will rot away anyway, so they de-fleshed the skull. By the time it will be delivered to Sunspear, it will be unindentifiable, thus there's no reason to make a messenger to unnecessary suffer by transporting a chunk of rotting meat, they cleaned it, and instead the messenger was transporting just a skull. In case with Robb's head - the distance from the Twins to King's Landing is shorter than from KL to Sunspear (in both cases by land). Also the climate in Riverlands and Crownlands is not as hot as in Dorne. Thus it was less necessary to de-flesh Robb's head than Gregor's head. Also, while Gregor's head was cut off and then tended by Qyburn or by Silent Sisters, nobody did anything for Robb's remnants. Freys just cut off his head, and then sent it with a messenger to KL.
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