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  1. DaveSumm

    Comics XIII

    Thanks for the tips. I’ve read a bunch of people saying that you can’t do it chronologically, but I’m actually getting on OK with it. I’m reading literally everything from Fresh Start onward, it’ll probably get too overwhelming eventually but for now they seem to have gradually rolled out titles so it’s manageable. Particularly enjoyed Venom, Hulk and Deadpool of what I’ve read. The chronology can be slightly wonky - it kinda works if you just assume Avengers takes place at some other time, the rest don’t seem to clash too much. Black Panther could easily be set thousands of years from now and not even feature T’Challa (no spoilers though please), the only other thing was that the exact roster of Avengers showed up in Deadpool. At the moment I’m quite content catching up with what’s on MU and just pretending that’s the present for me, it’s certainly way cheaper that way.
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    Comics XIII

    So, I’m new to all this comic business. Fancied getting into Marvel comics, and had a look at some popular runs ... there was secret wars, which kept coming up as a possibility for Phase 4 of the MCU, but one glance at the synopsis made me glaze over. It’s exactly what’s put me off comics all these years - a confusing mesh of multiverses all intertwined in some impenetrable way, not very inviting for newcomers. What I could use is some kind of jumping on point, a new beginning, a ‘fresh start’ if you will. Well look at that! Marvel just started something by that very name. So I’ve got Marvel Unlimited and started with Avengers #1. So far, so good. I was planning on making my through chronologically, trying out the various #1’s and seeing how I got on. What I don’t quite follow is how one is supposed to read the various runs. Should I read Avengers 1-7 (all that’s available on MU at the moment), then move on to another series? Or is release order the way to go? Going chronologically, Venom #1 and then Black Panther #1 come afterward. Except I can’t help but notice that Black Panther is in Avengers #1 and #2 ... does he pause briefly to tend to his own story, or is chronology not really a thing with individual comics? I was really hoping it was, so you could read along with the whole universe at once. Any tips?
  3. I’m trying to crowbar in the term ‘pre-snap’, as in, before a snap happens. But obviously they just fucked up. Or rather, they seem to have fucked up the fuck up.
  4. It does? I can only see multiple mentions of ‘pre-snap’. Unless we’re in a timeline where Thanos hangs around for a few years and then snaps.
  5. I knew about the Ghost Rider show, but ignoring it completely? Seems unnecessary, if you move it to a new location and just have him carry on being Ghost Rider it’s hard to see how it could contradict the AoS stuff. Contradicting Endgame on the other hand... Pretty flat first episode, not much going on. They have the ability to warp through space apparently now? OK. I guess @Darth Richard II was correct, it looks like these bad guys are coming in from another dimension. So, multiple dimensions, Endgame confirms that time travel opens up new realities, then the Far from Home trailer drops the word ‘multiverse’ ... it’s looking good for an alternate reality theory for this season! All the ducks are lined up! All we need is for the writers not to explic... ”This season takes place pre-Snap”. Oh. Nevermind.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Any chance Nat’s funeral could be covered in her own movie? Maybe they depict it at the start, some shady someone shows up and then it tracks back to explain them, a kind of prequel recounted from present day.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I think I agree with everything you posted, to be clear all I was doing was trying to wrangle a theory in which AoS could still be in the MCU but where the snap didn’t happen (but, seeing as they referenced it, the initial attack did). I don’t for a second think this is anything they’ll address.
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    MCUniverse: Phase Four and Beyond(er) **maybe spoilers**

    Great trailer, although I’m a bit confused by the multiverse bit. They just threw the line in but it didn’t seem to answer any particular question. Pretty huge though, I didn’t think they’d go this route but with that one little line, it just became a shit load more likely that that’s how X-Men end up in the MCU.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I’ve been trying to work this through in my head; it’s a bit ugly but it kinda works. If we assume Endgame rules and that travelling in time opens a new reality, that keeps existing while you’re still in it. Let’s say that’s still true for future time travel, and that the ‘earth is doomed’ future is actually E-200000, so at the beginning of last season, the Agents travelled from 199999 to 200000. Fitz took the long way round and ended up floating in space. Then they travelled back using the same rules; now they’re on E-200001, where Thanos attacks but Thor goes for the head first time, and where Graviton doesn’t win and the Earth doesn’t crumble. Hooray. This next season will be about trying to find 200001 Fitz, not their Fitz. Here’s where it doesn’t work though: Endgame doesn’t seem to imply that there’s an infinite number of realities that all daisy chain together, so when Cap goes to E-199998 (for example), there’s not a corresponding Cap who shows up in our reality to marry our Peggy. In fact, that wouldn’t make sense as that could change the past which apparently isn’t possible. Which begs the question; why is there a corresponding Fitz to rescue them in the future? So let’s say, future time travel works differently ... things do daisy chain together if you go forward, but not back. That makes sense of what we’ve seen, but it leaves the slightly depressing fact that Fitz 199999, our Fitz, froze himself to rescue the Agents in a reality where they didn’t need any help and now has to rely on Agents who have a) no knowledge from the future to know where Fitz is and b) been half snapped. Doesn’t look good for him. Let’s hope the bald guy didn’t get snapped.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Ah, shit. So we’re gonna have to just assume that none of team got snapped, and nobody mentions it. Despite their diplomatic language in that article, AoS ain’t in the MCU no more. It was hanging by a thread but this kills it I think.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I think the Russo’s confirmed it was a no-refunds deal. Wouldn’t really be much of a price if you could just go and buy back your lost loved one after you’d snapped half the universe.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    “We don’t know where he’s from, but we have a new target that looks exactly like Phil Coulson”. Everyone other than Phil seems to act like things are carrying on as normal. If we weren’t looking for alternate timelines due to Endgame, it’s probably more likely he’s a clone or something.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    That trailer reads to me like ‘Coulson died but now there’s a mystery Coulson running around’, not that they’re in an alternate reality. In a weird way, if you can accept the fluke that they all survived the snap, the 5 year interval would actually be a really interesting setting for AoS and give them lots to do, all while not rubbing up against the movies set in 2023 onwards. Another thought I had was that, if Coulson was about to die but then was suddenly snapped, he’d still get brought back five years later. Dunno what they could do with that but thought it was weird.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I made a diagram. Be warned, after viewing, you will either think I’m incredibly awesome or incredibly lame, no inbetweens.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Do you think Marvel can ever create an event like Endgame again? On the one hand, it feels like no, this all built up from nothing to such an epic conclusion with characters that everyone loves it just seems to hard to repeat. On the other, they’ve gotten better at it (Phase 3 for me is comfortably the best phase), they’ve got way more money, way more sway to do what they want. And they can plan this much further ahead, the Infinity Stones plan didn’t really start getting seeded till after the first Avengers. I just can’t picture sitting down to watch the conclusion of Phase 4, 5 and 6 and being as excited as I was to watch this movie.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Yea, as time travel movies go there was far more effort made here to make it consistent. Eh, less keen on Cap knowing everything turns out fine. Makes his five years of running meetings and his general resigned attitude a little weaker. I’d rather he just ducked young Cap. Yup, that works too. At least our Peggy ended up with a Captain America. Then you can also take you pick about whether alternate timelines exist if you don’t steal a stone; they obviously must exist while you’re there. So Caps just keeping this timeline going, maybe it folds in when he dies, maybe it doesn’t. Weirdly, I loved the way it was delivered. Because after Thanos’s ‘inevitable’, I assumed Tony was gonna provide another adjective. So him drawing it out gave me time to think ‘hmm, what is he?’ and then the impact of the line hit me over the course of two words instead of four. ”...Iron Man.”
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I definitely think the writers have had this ending in mind since Winter Soldier, and have been intentionally leaving the door open for it. When Peggy breaks down and cries and says “oh Steve, you came back to me” we assume she’s suddenly forgotten and is seeing him for the first time. But it can now be read as her suddenly remembering her life, in which Steve came back to her.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I don’t read it as them ‘shitting on’ those movies at all, they were just making clear that their rules don’t work the same way. Well, I don’t know how to proceed with that. If we can’t rely on what knowledgable characters tell us, we don’t have any other sources of information. To be honest, you sound like Rhodey and Lang; you don’t believe Banner because of information gleaned from other movies. I’m certainly not saying my version is without problems, Cap hanging around not doing anything as he grows old is an issue. I’m entirely happy that he could conclude that things worked out OK before, so it’s best to not interfere. The problem is the same as all time-is-set-in-stone versions of time travel; in theory, he can’t interfere as we already know what happens. So to poke the biggest hole in my theory I can think of: what happens when someone travels back in time, doesn’t remove a stone, but fucks something else up, and then hangs around till the time they left? I don’t know. Agents of SHIELD rules (not this last season, the one a few years back) says that something just comes up and stops you, but I’m not a fan. But I’m happier with that than the idea of our Peggy not having a happy ending. And I don’t think Cap would settle for some alt-Peggy either. His appearance on the bench is clearly meant to imply that Cap grew up with the Peggy we know from First Avenger, so that’s what I’m going with.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I guess he means a scene where they actually embrace and see each other for the first time. I noted at the beginning that we don’t see Rocket get told that they’ve all been snapped, we assume Nebula told him when they hold hands.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS

    I get where you’re coming from, I normally hate it in movies when someone actually says the odds and it just makes it all seem all the more unlikely. But here I think it makes sense; in the vast, vast majority of those futures that Strange saw, he didn’t give up the time stone. It’s his whole deal, he protects that damn stone no matter what. Just by handing Thanos the stone we’re in much more manageable numbers. He knew Thanos would get it eventually, and he also knew that nothing else would convince the Ancient One to give it up. In all other iterations that he saw, Banner gets a can of whoop-ass opened up on him and comes home empty handed. All the other variables are flexible on time, Lang could have been released from the quantum realm one year, ten years after the snap, it didn’t really affect anything. Then finally, he knew that if he told Stark “yea we’re in the one, it’s cool” he might not have seemed it necessary to sacrifice himself. And a stone-changing gauntlet mod for the suit is a big deal, a lot of other big players had a go and getting that thing off Thanos and came up short.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS

    I was looking out for it after someone mentioned it way back, but it is a different shield. I’m fairly sure he didn’t take the broken shield back with him, and the new one has a different design, its star is made up of five silver outlines rather than solid white. Best guess is Wakanda, they have the technology and the vibranium to spare. But it’s still a little tricky, at what point could he have approached T’Challa and said ‘hey, I’m Old Cap, make me a new shield and don’t tell anyone yea?’ I’m gonna fudge it as: there’s a gap between the battle and the funeral, and then one between that and the platform scene, time for all the Wakandans to go home and Old Cap to approach them and ask for a new one. Not the most elegant but it fits. There’s a line in GotG where the Xandarians ask ‘how was he able to hold an infinity stone?’ as if that would happen with any of them, but I guess they were wrong and it’s just the stone in that film (I forget which one). But Barton is veeeery blasè about carrying that gauntlet around, holding it stones inward against his chest, as well as obviously holding the soul stone.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS

    Nothing hinges on it at all, but just for completeness, there’s one missing from that diagram: Clint taking the baseball mitt. So if there are remaining timelines, then there’s 5, not 4.
  23. DaveSumm

    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS

    We don’t know that he returned it, maybe it’s just his weapon of choice now. The way the Ancient One says it’ll be bad for her, and Banner responds with ‘respectfully the science doesn’t support that’, it really seems he doesn’t give a shit. He acts as if none of this matters. I read it more as ‘nasty alternate universes’ rather than ‘nasty alternate universes’ but that’s open to interpretation. Plus him saying we’ll open other timelines implies he thinks of them as closed, provided Cap returns the stones.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS

    Just got back from seeing it a second time. Some thoughts: I think playing Thor for laughs went on too long. Once he goes to Asgard, there’s not really any outstanding jokes but he’s still not taken seriously. I think it might have been better to have him snap out of it before going on the mission, maybe add in a mini arc of - OK, he’s worthy of wielding Mjolnir, but he can’t summon the lightning just yet ... until he lights up heading down to face Thanos (“let’s kill him properly this time”), it would have made that moment a little bit cooler. Now for the important time travel stuff : I paid close attention to the conversation Bruce has with the Ancient One. She says “taking the stone might be good for your reality, not so good for mine” and he replies “respectfully, the science doesn’t really back that up”. I didn’t realise till then but Bruce’s theory is that basically, time is your playground and you can do what you want and steal what you want. They never discuss the ethics of it, and they never discuss returning them. In fact, at that point, they can’t: they don’t have any more Pym particles. Then, The Ancient One pulls up her PowerPoint presentation and says “the stones are responsible for what you perceive as the flow of time. Remove one of them, and everything falls to darkness. This is a crucial line; she doesn’t say ‘fuck something up, she doesn’t say ‘remove this one cos we need it’, just that removing one of them leads to darkness. To which Bruce replies ‘but if we return it the moment it was taken, then chronologically, the stone never left’ and demonstrates this, with the ‘dark’ timeline fixing itself. Then later on, when he’s handing Cap the Infinity Briefcase to return them all, he says “make sure you return them all exactly as we found them, otherwise we’re gonna open up a bunch of nasty alternate timelines”. Implying that that’s all that’s needed, and as things stand, they’re closed. So that seals the deal for me: Bruce knows how time travel works (do what you like) but needs a lesson in Infinity Stones (put em back), so that’s what they do. Cap returns them, so there’s one timeline, so he ends up on the bench. Also, I thought some of the cooler moments might be dulled a second time: Cap picking up Mjolnir and then spinning it and uppercutting Thanos was actually cooler.
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