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    MCUniverse: Phase Four and Beyond(er) **maybe spoilers**

    Zemo and Peggy’s niece possibly starring in the Falcon and Winter Soldier mini-series.
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    UK Politics: Awaiting MV3

    So we’re all OK with the milkshaking? I’m not gonna lose any sleep over it, it’s kinda funny to see Farage get hit. But really, this isn’t a defendable position ... if Tommy Robinson threw a milkshake at a Muslim, we’d be up in arms. The only difference is we all think Farage and Robinson are pricks. But surely we have to accept anything we’re willing to give, if milkshake throwing is good for us it’s good for everyone? We get a cheap laugh out of it, but we’re not winning any arguments here. I suspect we’re probably damaging our stance if anything.
  3. I know I’m probably asking for it in this thread, but can we spoiler tag GoT stuff please?
  4. I think there’s something to be said for something a bit divisive. At the time I liked Breaking Bad’s, but looking back at kinda ... boring. It’s just, “oh, he did it. Well done Walt”. Did he deserve that win? Sopranos on the other hand got me thinking, still thinking about it weeks afterward. And for what it’s worth, I don’t see it as ambiguous at all, there’s not an ounce of fat on that last scene - everything is geared toward telling you what’s going on. Lost gets a bad wrap when the last episode wasn’t to blame. Anyone who loved the sixth season would’ve loved the finale, it’s the solutions (or lack of) that bothered people. Six Feet Under, fuck yes. Loved that one.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    It’s only removing a stone from its continuity that creates an alternate timeline, Loki would’ve just gone somewhere else in space in the same timeline.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Not sure if you watched the whole interview (it is long, but quite good, the interviewer is clearly a fan and asks some good questions) but when I said they shut down those timelines, I meant the writers shut down the whole theory. Stealing a stone is the only thing that can create an alternate timeline, so if you leave that timeline without one as Cap would have done, it ceases to exist. There’s no rogue Loki, no world without Thanos, the MCU just happened as it had always happened. Having Old Cap be in our timeline is the more emotionally resonant option, but it just doesn’t quite work based on those rules. It’s like asking what would happen if Tony has just stayed in 2012 after travelling back, at what point does that universe stop existing if he never steals a stone and leaves? I guess it doesn’t, it exists as long as someone is there to exist in it. The only window we have is that Cap would’ve had a conversation with The Ancient One before he went back. Maybe he ran his plan past her, and she had a fix that placed him in the MCU past and not an alt past, a fix too complicated for our tiny mortal minds to comprehend.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Sorry, I was just at work at the time ... didn’t mean to imply I wouldn’t watch it. I’ll check it out.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Interestingly, the writers disagree with what the Russo’s have said and wanted Cap to end up with this timeline’s Peggy. They qualify it with them not being the ‘official’ version of anything, but it makes sense why Cap didn’t come back on the platform. Also cool that they point out there could be two semi-super kids of Cap running around. I suspect the Russo’s wanted it this way but realised it didn’t make sense based on the rules they established earlier in the film. Oh, and they shut down those alternate timelines to which I’m glad about.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I haven’t watched the video, but it did occur to me that nothing hinges on it being 5 years after. Could just as easily be 1 years or 10 years, so that reels in the probabilities a little.
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    Comics XIII

    Thanks for the tips. I’ve read a bunch of people saying that you can’t do it chronologically, but I’m actually getting on OK with it. I’m reading literally everything from Fresh Start onward, it’ll probably get too overwhelming eventually but for now they seem to have gradually rolled out titles so it’s manageable. Particularly enjoyed Venom, Hulk and Deadpool of what I’ve read. The chronology can be slightly wonky - it kinda works if you just assume Avengers takes place at some other time, the rest don’t seem to clash too much. Black Panther could easily be set thousands of years from now and not even feature T’Challa (no spoilers though please), the only other thing was that the exact roster of Avengers showed up in Deadpool. At the moment I’m quite content catching up with what’s on MU and just pretending that’s the present for me, it’s certainly way cheaper that way.
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    Comics XIII

    So, I’m new to all this comic business. Fancied getting into Marvel comics, and had a look at some popular runs ... there was secret wars, which kept coming up as a possibility for Phase 4 of the MCU, but one glance at the synopsis made me glaze over. It’s exactly what’s put me off comics all these years - a confusing mesh of multiverses all intertwined in some impenetrable way, not very inviting for newcomers. What I could use is some kind of jumping on point, a new beginning, a ‘fresh start’ if you will. Well look at that! Marvel just started something by that very name. So I’ve got Marvel Unlimited and started with Avengers #1. So far, so good. I was planning on making my through chronologically, trying out the various #1’s and seeing how I got on. What I don’t quite follow is how one is supposed to read the various runs. Should I read Avengers 1-7 (all that’s available on MU at the moment), then move on to another series? Or is release order the way to go? Going chronologically, Venom #1 and then Black Panther #1 come afterward. Except I can’t help but notice that Black Panther is in Avengers #1 and #2 ... does he pause briefly to tend to his own story, or is chronology not really a thing with individual comics? I was really hoping it was, so you could read along with the whole universe at once. Any tips?
  12. Comprising Senlin Ascends, The Arm of the Sphinx, The Hod King and an upcoming fourth and concluding book. I could’ve sworn there was a more recent thread but the only one I could find was archived? Anyway, I finally finished The Hod King and it’s easily on par with the first two. It has a more unusual structure in that it covers the same period of time three times over from different points of view, and each of the three ‘endings’ are very much worthy of being a book ending. It can be a little jarring going from one climax to the slow pace of the next section, but it’s worth it. So much happens here that I didn’t expect, particularly the concluding chapters of the first section. It seems every book is designed to make you think the series will be about one thing, only for the next to wrong foot you. This is comfortably my favourite series since reading aSoIaF, I can’t wait for the fourth book.
  13. I’m trying to crowbar in the term ‘pre-snap’, as in, before a snap happens. But obviously they just fucked up. Or rather, they seem to have fucked up the fuck up.
  14. It does? I can only see multiple mentions of ‘pre-snap’. Unless we’re in a timeline where Thanos hangs around for a few years and then snaps.
  15. I knew about the Ghost Rider show, but ignoring it completely? Seems unnecessary, if you move it to a new location and just have him carry on being Ghost Rider it’s hard to see how it could contradict the AoS stuff. Contradicting Endgame on the other hand... Pretty flat first episode, not much going on. They have the ability to warp through space apparently now? OK. I guess @Darth Richard II was correct, it looks like these bad guys are coming in from another dimension. So, multiple dimensions, Endgame confirms that time travel opens up new realities, then the Far from Home trailer drops the word ‘multiverse’ ... it’s looking good for an alternate reality theory for this season! All the ducks are lined up! All we need is for the writers not to explic... ”This season takes place pre-Snap”. Oh. Nevermind.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Any chance Nat’s funeral could be covered in her own movie? Maybe they depict it at the start, some shady someone shows up and then it tracks back to explain them, a kind of prequel recounted from present day.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I think I agree with everything you posted, to be clear all I was doing was trying to wrangle a theory in which AoS could still be in the MCU but where the snap didn’t happen (but, seeing as they referenced it, the initial attack did). I don’t for a second think this is anything they’ll address.
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    MCUniverse: Phase Four and Beyond(er) **maybe spoilers**

    Great trailer, although I’m a bit confused by the multiverse bit. They just threw the line in but it didn’t seem to answer any particular question. Pretty huge though, I didn’t think they’d go this route but with that one little line, it just became a shit load more likely that that’s how X-Men end up in the MCU.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I’ve been trying to work this through in my head; it’s a bit ugly but it kinda works. If we assume Endgame rules and that travelling in time opens a new reality, that keeps existing while you’re still in it. Let’s say that’s still true for future time travel, and that the ‘earth is doomed’ future is actually E-200000, so at the beginning of last season, the Agents travelled from 199999 to 200000. Fitz took the long way round and ended up floating in space. Then they travelled back using the same rules; now they’re on E-200001, where Thanos attacks but Thor goes for the head first time, and where Graviton doesn’t win and the Earth doesn’t crumble. Hooray. This next season will be about trying to find 200001 Fitz, not their Fitz. Here’s where it doesn’t work though: Endgame doesn’t seem to imply that there’s an infinite number of realities that all daisy chain together, so when Cap goes to E-199998 (for example), there’s not a corresponding Cap who shows up in our reality to marry our Peggy. In fact, that wouldn’t make sense as that could change the past which apparently isn’t possible. Which begs the question; why is there a corresponding Fitz to rescue them in the future? So let’s say, future time travel works differently ... things do daisy chain together if you go forward, but not back. That makes sense of what we’ve seen, but it leaves the slightly depressing fact that Fitz 199999, our Fitz, froze himself to rescue the Agents in a reality where they didn’t need any help and now has to rely on Agents who have a) no knowledge from the future to know where Fitz is and b) been half snapped. Doesn’t look good for him. Let’s hope the bald guy didn’t get snapped.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    Ah, shit. So we’re gonna have to just assume that none of team got snapped, and nobody mentions it. Despite their diplomatic language in that article, AoS ain’t in the MCU no more. It was hanging by a thread but this kills it I think.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    I think the Russo’s confirmed it was a no-refunds deal. Wouldn’t really be much of a price if you could just go and buy back your lost loved one after you’d snapped half the universe.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    “We don’t know where he’s from, but we have a new target that looks exactly like Phil Coulson”. Everyone other than Phil seems to act like things are carrying on as normal. If we weren’t looking for alternate timelines due to Endgame, it’s probably more likely he’s a clone or something.
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    Avengers Endgame- SPOILERS II

    That trailer reads to me like ‘Coulson died but now there’s a mystery Coulson running around’, not that they’re in an alternate reality. In a weird way, if you can accept the fluke that they all survived the snap, the 5 year interval would actually be a really interesting setting for AoS and give them lots to do, all while not rubbing up against the movies set in 2023 onwards. Another thought I had was that, if Coulson was about to die but then was suddenly snapped, he’d still get brought back five years later. Dunno what they could do with that but thought it was weird.
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