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  1. LiveFirstDieLater

    Re-read: Wildings are the Others

    I believe that Symeon Star Eyes was an Other (White Walker) who wandered Westeros before the Wall was built... that’s the connection. And explains knights riding around in armor before the annals brought steel to Westeros. https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?q=symeon&scope[]=agot&scope[]=adwd&scope[]=tmk&scope[]=acok&scope[]=twow&scope[]=twoiaf&scope[]=asos&scope[]=thk&scope[]=trp&scope[]=affc&scope[]=tss&scope[]=tpatq
  2. LiveFirstDieLater

    Re-read: Wildings are the Others

    The Paper Marios of Westeros But the Others are real, we know this, it is literally the very first chapter of the story. Ah, then less intrigued, as we know the Others are real, there isn’t a fake publicity campaign. Since we don’t know much about the Others and even less about what the shadow babies are I have no idea how you came to this conclusion or what you mean by making it... and don’t forget the Weirwood in Varamyr’s chapter... it’s a pale shadow amidst the snow. It’s probably not a mistake that the phrase white shadow is used in each case... but be careful... kingsguard in Ned’s dream are not shadows, explicitly... Moore is, but that’s fright before he tries to kill Tyrion. Barista gets called one in Dance... but it also makes sense in the context of a bodyguard... not to mention it begs the question of what the parallel is. Are the Kingsguard Others, or perhaps the Others are bodyguards and are sworn not to have children... Its hard to make conclusions, but I simply can’t leap to them being a conspiracy together.
  3. LiveFirstDieLater

    Re-read: Wildings are the Others

    Makes sense, intrigued but confused... happy Friday!
  4. LiveFirstDieLater

    Re-read: Wildings are the Others

    I don’t even understand... are you trying to say that Others are different than White Walkers (which is not the case), or that Wildlings are secretly the Cold Creatures we see in the very first chapter of the very first book? I’m confused Is there anything to support this idea besides the story of Bael? Because yes, Jon is the bastard of Winterfell, but Lyanna and Rhaegar isn’t enough to fit for you? Is the suggestion here that Lyanna was pregnant with a wildling baby or that Jon isn’t Lyanna’s? The Iron born are likely of Furst Men decent, although they may have come across the sunset sea... let’s say they were First Men with a Weirwood of their own and the Iron Islands were once connected... the break almost certainly happened when the Wall went up not when the hammer of waters was called, I say this because the Grey King ruled until the age of heros and on his death his sons fought over the islands, his death likely coincides with the death of their Weirwood (Nagga’s Bones). But all that pillaging and all those salt wives are going to water down the blood after enough generations, if that’s something which matters at all. I still don’t understand... we know there are scary ice demons from the very first chapter... what do you mean Ironborn are Others? White walkers are others... same thing The horn blew thrice long, three long blasts means Others. The white walkers of the wood, the cold shadows, the monsters of the tales that made him squeak and tremble as a boy, riding their giant ice-spiders, hungry for blood . . . Also just a detail, but remember the Andal’s brought Steel to Westeros... the First Men used Iron... and I don’t know why this came to mind, but I always thought I was missing something with this quote... "Would you pay us with our own coin?" Ulf son of Umar said. "Why should we need the father's promise, when we have the son's?" "I said nothing of need," Lord Tywin replied. "My words were courtesy, nothing more. You need not join us. The men of the winterlands are made of iron and ice, and even my boldest knights fear to face them." Oh, deftly done, Tyrion thought, smiling crookedly.
  5. LiveFirstDieLater

    A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms Reread

    As you point out with the Plumms this does seem likely... but I do think there is a difference between “the three heads”, if you will, and just being decended from Targs, or having a drop of dragon blood. Not only are the Plumms have a super interesting history, poping up at remarkable times, but since Aegon the Unworthy may well have jumped into the family tree, and he legitimized all his bastards, not just certain ones specifically, they could have a real claim (better than Baratheons for instance) to the Iron Throne through a male line. They are also descended from the First Men and so have a noteworthy combination of ancestors. Also, Brown Ben is the leader of the Second Sons... I don’t know exactly what it means yet, but this company has a long history which includes some truely remarkable members... not only that, but it really can’t be coincidence that every male POV in game of thrones is a second son. Also, I didn’t realize this but apperantly the Plumm heraldry is three purple globes on a field of gold. Before getting into Fossoways, as you point out here, it seems we have our Blackfyre for the modern parallel, not one of the Three Heads, but an important scion of House Targaryen. The fossoways are fun for sure, and the creation of the green apples I really enjoyed seeing in Dunk, but I’m not sure I’ve drawn any conclusions yet... hmmm
  6. LiveFirstDieLater

    A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms Reread

    @Seams love it, I’m gonna have to process the Baelor stuff and come back... especially since I always kinda thought of Breakspear and the Blessed as almost opposites, one practical and a good ruler while the other doesn’t seem like a bad man he clearly didn’t make a great king. I would suggest there is a more obvious parallel to the three great bastards, Bloodraven, Seastar, and Bittersteel in our current series... Jon, Dany, and Tyrion. I believe these are all Targaryen bastards themselves. (R+L=J and little sister D) Tyrion learned about all we know about the Golden Company, it seems to be a big part of his arc considering he basically inspired their current invasion to take place without delay. There is also the fact that Tyrion is a bitter exile who escaped his punishment by fleeing to Essos, branded a traitor, hoping to return to Westeros with an army. Dany has been visited by Qaithe, whom many suspect is Seastar. She’s beautiful, practices blood magic, and takes multiple lovers, possibly one day to include a sibling. Loves the sea and dreamed of being a sailor as she crossed the narrow sea half a hundred times. My take on her is probably the most controversial, but let’s just say lemons make your eyes water, and lemon juice was an old cure for cataracts. Jon who’s body is loosing all memory of warmth, like Bloodraven in his hollow hill amidst the frozen land of always winter. Both served as Lord Commander of the Night’s Watch, both appear to have loved and lost, and both have lost brothers they loved. The dragon has three heads!
  7. LiveFirstDieLater

    Dissecting Names

    Someone might have posted this already... but the Bael - Ba(e)lor connection... stealing into the fortress to have a kid with the princess. and Harren (Ironborn) - God’s Eye connection... note the hot fire flames end of the Fomorian/Ironborn army. can find parallels in this myth... synopsis for Wikipedia:
  8. LiveFirstDieLater

    Dissecting Names

    I posted this in the fire and blood topic but got no reaction... doesn’t the cover art for the book resemble this Loki Serpent Stone? http://thenorsegods.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/loki-serpent-stone.jpg
  9. LiveFirstDieLater

    Dissecting Names

    I love it! of course these are rough parallels we are talking about, but great list! I particularly like the seven kingdom days of the week! Might I suggest these are the Andal Kingdoms, worshipers of the seven, where the vale of Arryn was settled first and Dorne joined the seven kingdoms last. I’d throw out Mimir, god of wisdom, who went to the Vanir as part of the hostage exchange and they sent back his head... only for Odin to magic it and keep it to advise him... is Ned. Who went to king’s Landing, was beheaded, and his bones are on their way home. Bran also keeps hearing his words of wisdom in his head. I also can’t help picturing him sitting by the cold pool in the godswood which doesn’t ripple in the wind (the well of mimir), and I hope it has some good secrets! Also, during Bran’s falling dream, the Weirwood (Bloodraven in Bran’s dream I suspect) is brooding over the pool. Odin left his eye in Mimir’s Well... Bloodraven has been watching Winterfell. Of course the big question in my head, is there a Loki in all of this? Despite the obvious Bloodraven-Odin parallels, I suspect his current state of being bound beneath the earth reflects a Loki side... I don’t think Bloodraven is the three eyed crow...
  10. LiveFirstDieLater

    Dissecting Names

    Especially since Dany’s seems think that all of Westeros is hers purely by right of birth, it’s so silly to hear her talk about breaking the wheel... she is the wheel. And if there is going to be a popular uprising, it would seem Aegon has a better chance of harnessing it than she does with her dragons, army of eunuchs, and horde of barbarians.
  11. LiveFirstDieLater

    Dissecting Names

    The binding of Loki is supper interesting as well. he was bound for the role he played in killing Baldur... it is also the Norse explanations for earthquakes. There are a ton of parallels one could draw... http://thenorsegods.com/the-binding-of-loki/
  12. LiveFirstDieLater

    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    I know no queen but the queen of winter, whose name is stark
  13. LiveFirstDieLater

    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Haha, or maybe she died trying to knit a shawl to stay warm... I guess it’s possible
  14. LiveFirstDieLater

    Moments of Foreshadowing v.12

    Needle locked tight between her frozen fingers? I agree with the Mel vision, but not so sure about Jon’s little prophesy for Arya
  15. LiveFirstDieLater

    Dissecting Names

    Ok let’s see... White Horse - Conquest/Victory, the rider wears a crown, I believe this is represented by Dany’s Silver and Lyanna, queen of love and beauty, knight of the laughing tree, and the cause of Robert’s Rebellion. Red Horse - War, the rider carries a great sword, sometimes thought of as representing civil war instead of conquest, Khal Drogo rides a red stallion, and his Khalisar is destroyed by civil war on his death (from a sword wound), Or (maybe better) the red stallion is the symbol of House Bracken, and Bittersteel crowned a handful of Blackfyres causing a number of civil wars, of course he also had the sword Blackfyre to give them. Black Horse - Famine, the rider holds scales, Balerion . . . his fire was as black as his scales, his wings so vast that whole towns were swallowed up in their shadow when he passed overhead. Pale Horse - Death, and Hades follows with him, authority over one fourth of the world was given to them, to kill with sword, famine, pestilence, and beasts... the pale mare, or potentially the mounts of the Others, dead horses
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