Panos Targaryen Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Stannis fans like E-Ro ("stans stans"), what do you think about Melisandre? Is she an asset to Stannis, a liability, or the only thing standing between him and being loved by the people of Westeros? Would he be better off without her, or is she the only one who can make him king? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Monkey Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 Personally, I think Melisande is trying her best to do what she thinks is right with limited information. I can't believe that Stannis would be popular without her -- he wasn't well-liked before he met her, after all. I'm not sure how good she is for his cause; without her, he wouldn't have been able to defeat Renly, but they may end up at cross-purposes if Stannis sees a path to victory that doesn't involve her prophecies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice and fire freak Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 As mentioned in my cringe topic I think going to Winterfell away from her is a good thing,I don't think she's bad just not very good at these visions in the fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monk Meth- Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 all im sure of aobut her is that shes an old ugly woman under that charm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iona Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I'd say Melisandre is an asset to his plans, but not good for the man himself. She has some tricks up her sleeve that have earned Stannis some easy victories (Renly, Storm's End), but on the other hand, R'hllor and burning people is not good PR for his cause. I also have a strong feeling that if Mel's fires were to show her a different Azor Ahai, she'd dump Stannis in a heartbeat - in the end, she's loyal to her god and dead set to save the mankind. If Stannis is useful, she'll use him, but if Red Rahloo were to demand Stannis as a sacrifice, she'd go fetch the firefood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadrich Posted November 23, 2013 Share Posted November 23, 2013 I think she can be useful, as far as her power over Stannis and his men is limited. The problem with her at the beginning was, that a lot of people were over-dependant on her 'visions' (some still are, of course), and powers (which she undoubtedly has - but then again - Stannis is where he is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRON BANK Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Melisandre like most of the red priests in westeros, is a moving plot device. (shadow babies and resurrections prove this to be true. Stannis is the side character or literary device moving main characters around in the story to have them be able to link up. Mel to Jon, Davos to Rickon, Asha to Theon. Being a king and commander this is easy for Stannis to accomplish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shireen Shireen Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 . I also have a strong feeling that if Mel's fires were to show her a different Azor Ahai, she'd dump Stannis in a heartbeat .... Which will happen soon enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordStoneheart Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm not a Stannis fan, so I'm not sure if my input is welcome... but I will say this: Melisandre is the biggest reason I'm not a Stanstan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkbringer Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Usefull, to a point, but comes with a cost. Stanmis is developing as a character, and becoming more well rounded. In the TWOW spoiler, he shows that he is getting pretty sick of Suggs and co. And I think he will win without the help of any supernatural forces, bolstering his confidence and allowing him to drift away from Mel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkaggCannibal Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 She has proven herself very useful and from reading her chapters I believe she is genuinly trying to save the world and help Stannis, although without being completely honoust. As long as she gets some useful things out of her fires, I'm supportive. And we have certainly some things to thank her for. My hopes for her in the future are that she will be agreeing more with Davos, that would. Or her lies coming to the surface, that would be acceptable too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I like her. And I think people assume the worst of her because they don't understand who she is and what she stands for. Grrm said she is the most misunderstood character in the books. And I think he's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Jennings Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I think originally she was an asset for Stannis but will ultimately abandon him for Jon Snow which will lead to his downfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Can i just say that Mel is THE MOST UNDER-APPRECIATED beauty in the series. I've read her descriptions many times and I can confirm that she is completely beautiful, better than Arianne or Val quite easily. This is what she looks like (imagine red hair and eyes ftw...) here Heart-shaped faces are very desirable and rare. She also has a good slender body. Why is Mel overlooked as a beauty??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yeah, Mel is hot. I would let her do stuff to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Das_Boof Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I think that Mel isn't bad, just too trusting in her fire visions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaarioKnowsBest Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Yeah, Mel is hot. I would let her do stuff to me.Mel might be catfishing with glamours.What if she's really a 90 year old man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 Mel might be catfishing with glamours.What if she's really a 90 year old man?As long as the glamor stays up while I'm with her, it doesn't matter. Ignorance is bliss right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welease Woger Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 I'm not a Stannis fan, so I'm not sure if my input is welcome... but I will say this: Melisandre is the biggest reason I'm not a Stanstan. :agree: I'm sure I could like the Stannis that Davos loves, but definitely not the Stannis that Melisandre created. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yolkboy Posted November 25, 2013 Share Posted November 25, 2013 As long as the glamor stays up while I'm with her, it doesn't matter. Ignorance is bliss right? Exactly. It's what's on the outside that counts. You don't think about black smoking blood when you're looking down upon a heart shaped face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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