Sordelor Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 In the epiologue of A Dance with Dragons when he is talking to Kevan Lannister after he shot him with a crossbow. Yes, she still is.Why would the Tyrells allow her to become regent again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceHenryris Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Tyene and the Lady Nym are also loose I KL. Who know's who'll be alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petite Psycophant Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Well Cersei has her pending trial and I think this is exactly what Varys wanted to do, create drama. Mace would definitely try to be the self-appointed regent, Cersei will only see this as evidence that the Tyrells are behind Pycelle and Kevan's assassination. Her undead warrior will win of course so once she's been "proven innocent" she'll fight the Tyrells tooth and nail. In her haste to exact revenge she'll probably order Robert Strong to kill Mace and maybe Tarly too or botch an assassination that will be traced back to her. One of the Tyrell's would probably take KL and appoint someone else as regent. Isn't Arianne on her way to KL too? There'll be plenty of powder in the keg and Cersei losing her marbles will be the spark that lights it all up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 I see him say that Kevan does all the queen's good work and that Cersei will blame the Tyrells, but I don't see what specifically says or implies that she will be regent again. "But none in this room, thankfully. This pains me, my lord. You do not deserve to die alone on such a cold dark night. There are many like you, good men in service to bad causes … but you were threatening to undo all the queen's good work, to reconcile Highgarden and Casterly Rock, bind the Faith to your little king, unite the Seven Kingdoms under Tommen's rule. So …" Cersei's work was good indeed...but not for the realm but for Aegon's cause. And, of course, Varys wants her to be regent to continue her "good work" of destroying the Tyrell-Lannister alliance, alienating the faith, and further weakening the realm by her stupid policies, so he will help her from the shadows to seize the regency. Any other possible regent would continue Kevan's work and try stabilize the realm, but Varys needs chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Cersei's work was good indeed...but not for the realm but for Aegon's cause. And, of course, Varys wants her to be regent to continue her "good work" of destroying the Tyrell-Lannister alliance, alienating the faith, and further weakening the realm by her stupid policies, so he will help her from the shadows to seize the regency. Any other possible regent would continue Kevan's work and try stabilize the realm, but Varys needs chaos.She can also destroy that Alliance wthout being regent, think about it: how is she going to reclaim regency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Cersei's work was good indeed...but not for the realm but for Aegon's cause. And, of course, Varys wants her to be regent to continue her "good work" of destroying the Tyrell-Lannister alliance, alienating the faith, and further weakening the realm by her stupid policies, so he will help her from the shadows to seize the regency. Any other possible regent would continue Kevan's work and try stabilize the realm, but Varys needs chaos. Honestly that doesn't have to mean Cersei has to be regent. Mace can still be regent and there can still be division if Cersei blames him for Kevan's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Why would the Tyrells allow her to become regent again? The Tyrell's would, of course, oppose Cersei, so Varys would arrange for a couple of Tyrell deaths making them leaderless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Honestly that doesn't have to mean Cersei has to be regent. Mace can still be regent and there can still be division if Cersei blames him for Kevan's death. If Mace is regent he will never give it up and he will fight Aegon. He would also be pursuing policies that would improve the situation and that is something that Varys does not need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 The Tyrell's would, of course, oppose Cersei, so Varys would arrange for a couple of Tyrell deaths making them leaderless. That's just what you think might happen. It doesn't actually have to go that way. If Mace is regent he will never give it up and he will fight Aegon. He would also be pursuing policies that would improve the situation and that is something that Varys does not need. He won't give it up by force, but Cersei will still blame him or his cronies for Kevan's death. Hence the divsion, possible infighting in King's Landing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 The Tyrell's would, of course, oppose Cersei, so Varys would arrange for a couple of Tyrell deaths making them leaderless. Now that would be stupid: that will just make all the Tyrell bannerman search for more power for themselves, so half of them might go to Aegon? He can better keep the Reach one force... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 That's just what you think might happen. It doesn't actually have to go that way. So? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sansa_Stark Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 So? If it doesn't go that way, then Cersei doesn't necessarily have to become regent again, does she? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tywin Manderly Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Now that would be stupid: that will just make all the Tyrell bannerman search for more power for themselves, so half of them might go to Aegon? He can better keep the Reach one force... Divide and conquer! A united Reach will not side with Aegon because the Tyrells can have the power over the realm for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaak Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Mace as self-appointed Regent and Cersei as Leader of Opposition would also damage Lannister-Tyrell alliance, which Varys wanted. How would Small Council view the possibility of Margaery being the Regent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Divide and conquer! A united Reach will not side with Aegon because the Tyrells can have the power over the realm for themselves.The reeach weaked because of war against the Lannisters vs Dorne, the golden company, Dany and LF, how can they win that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Mace as self-appointed Regent and Cersei as Leader of Opposition would also damage Lannister-Tyrell alliance, which Varys wanted. How would Small Council view the possibility of Margaery being the Regent?Too young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Green Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Margaery is in the same position as Cersei, anyway, with a pending trial. Mace will be the regent. Cersei has no chance of getting that title again, with the Small Council now completely controlled by the Tyrells (along with the city itself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 A battle between Mace and Cersei, and hopefully the latter wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Eater Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 You guys are all forgetting the most important ingredient in this story. Cersei controlls Tommen. That's about the only person in her corner but does she need anyone besides the King? Exactly, as Cersei knows from Qyburn, Tommen signs his name and stamps his seal on any decree placed before him. In her haste to exact revenge she'll probably order Robert Strong to kill Mace and maybe Tarly too or botch an assassination that will be traced back to her. One of the Tyrell's would probably take KL and appoint someone else as regent. Isn't Arianne on her way to KL too? There'll be plenty of powder in the keg and Cersei losing her marbles will be the spark that lights it all up. I don't think Cersei is that foolish to try to have Mace and Tarly killed, that would result in her losing the Reach, and pushing them into the arms of Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted December 24, 2013 Share Posted December 24, 2013 Exactly, as Cersei knows from Qyburn, Tommen signs his name and stamps his seal on any decree placed before him. So Mace will just drop the position because an 8 year old tells him so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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