TheWanderer Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Tyrion being a Targ does not remove the stain of kinslaying. Tywin and Joanna were cousins, which means Tywin is Tyrion's cousin even if he's not Tyrion's father. Still kin. Still kinslaying. Because killing your father and killing your mother's cousin are totally the same thing. There's a massive gulf between the two emotionally. I disagree that Tywin's treatment of Tyrion becomes justified if Tyrion is Aerys' son. That only works if Tywin knows for certain that Tyrion isn't his, which is unlikely unless Joanna cut him off well before the conception. Tywin himself refutes that possibility by saying he can't prove Tyrion isn't his. As long as Tywin didn't know otherwise, he should have treated Tyrion the same as his other children. Tywin believed that Tyrion wasn't his and he treated Tyrion based on this belief. If it turns out that this belief was true then he was right (or at least as 'right' as tywin ever is) to treat Tyrion the way he did. It doesn't matter that he didn't have the facts to prove it, his belief was true. With Aemon dead and Aegon likely being a fake, wouldn't it seem strange for the series to feature Dany and Jon as the only "ProTargonists" seemingly critical to the endgame? That just feels "asymmetrical" to me... As would elevating Jon's importance, and having Dany suddenly take a backstage as a "proven" red herring of sorts once Jon's "big reveal" takes place. 1) I personally don't believe that R+L=J. 2) Using other, unverified, theories in support of this one makes your reasoning very weak. If either plays out the way the books have directly laid out this point falls apart completely. Surely Dany will wonder again about the significance of "There must be one more. The dragon has three heads," if it is ever brought to light that she, Jon and possibly Aegon could very well be the last Targaryens, and the tie-in to what "Rhaegar" meant in the HOTU. But if Aegon is proven false via the "slayer of lies" HOTU triplet, won't Dany think again: "There must be one more"? If Aegon is proven fake via being a Blackfyre then he can still easily qualify as a dragon. Far more easily than either Jon or Tyrion in fact. And of course that's assuming that Rhaegar is correct in this third attempt at interpreting a prophecy that may not be a real prophecy, let alone accurate. And, if so, how will readers of the series who have been following since the late 90s feel about a non-POV character introduced in 2011 being "more important" to the endgame than the majority of the POVs in the books, including most of those introduced in AGOT? The same way they felt when the 'main' character of the first book was killed? GRRM isn't writing these books to cater to readers expectations or entitlements, he's writing them to tell his story. A story that is far more realistic than is commonly seen in the genre. Heroes come out of nowhere all the time in real life, I could see GRRM pulling that here. Further, how would it fit for someone with only a "drop or two" of Targ blood (or no Targ blood at all) to be this critical third person/head, when the key word in Rhaegar's choice of words appears to be "dragon?" Isn't this a better argument against Tyrion? After all, Tyrion merely has Targaryean blood, Aegon is a Blackfyre (potentially) and thus a dragon. My observation there pertained to AGOT POVs. Not characters in AGOT who later became POVs. And that's another problem I have with these sorts of theories, they marginalize significant characters. We are given those POVs for a reason, because something they tell or show us is important to the story being told here. ASOIAF isn't Jon, Dany and TYrion's story; if it was they were the only people we'd see it through. It's everyone's story, that's why we follow them. It doesn't necessarily directly address why it's "coincidental" that Tryion's mother died birthing him, but meaningful that Jon's and Dany's did (or, alternatively, that all three deaths are coincidental). If Jon has a mom he can go to her and find acceptance, he doesn't need the Wall and his story goes nowhere. If Dany has a mom Viserys can't mistreat her and prostitute her and her story goes nowhere. If Tyrion has a mom a) Cersei can't blame him for her death, b: Tywin can't mistreat him as much, c) he has a loving influence in his life; his basic character is fundamentally altered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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