iknownothingjonsnow Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Okay, I still need to re-read the chapter before I address this in the book threads, but actually seeing the fight on screen made me realize something that never quite stood out to me on the page: Oberyn's carelessness around The Mountain reaches horror-movie levels of stupidity and it sort of cheapens his death a little in my eyes. Again, maybe re-reading the chapter will make me realize that this is just how it was portrayed on screen, but seeing it all play out (to my memory) more or less how it was on the page, I was struck by just how stupid it would be for a seasoned fighter like Oberyn to be so careless around Ser Gregor. Don't get me wrong, thematically it all makes sense that his bloodlust and unquenched desire for vengeance is what does him in. But it just seems like the way it played out required Oberyn to not just become blinded by his rage but actually flat out careless and stupid, on a level normally reserved for horror movie victims and members of House Stark. Oberyn's carelessness would bother me less if it wasn't a moronic cliche shoved down our throats in every single fight sequence this season. Polliver doesn't care about his friend dying a few feet behind him at Arya's hand because the Hound just has such an interesting face... The Ironborn are no match for Ramsay as he slowly turns his back on his armed foes because, OMG, he has a magic key... Karl instantly forgets about Jon Snow lying on the ground, despite having just been engaged in an intense fight with him... Rorge doesn't care that the Hound just killed Biter for their attempt on his life. He's perfectly happy to stand there like a moron while Arya stabs him in the heart... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lizard King Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Here's a pic of Pedro Pascal as "Eddie" in Season 4 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer... http://s6.postimg.org/5cukarqcx/Eddie_freshman.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExileOnDaytonStreet Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Here's a pic of Pedro Pascal as "Eddie" in Season 4 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer... http://s6.postimg.org/5cukarqcx/Eddie_freshman.jpg Eddie... the lost cousin of Walter White, Jr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern_Star Posted June 4, 2014 Author Share Posted June 4, 2014 Oh well it all turned out like it was in the the books.Unfortunately! I didnt like this episode dunno why but something was odd!Thanks for all you guys participating in the discussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Tam Stark Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Here's a pic of Pedro Pascal as "Eddie" in Season 4 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer... http://s6.postimg.org/5cukarqcx/Eddie_freshman.jpg Who is that in your profile pic lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Does anyone else kind of have problems with the new Gregor? I... I can't be scared by that baby face. After watching the episode, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Who is that in your profile pic lol Someone with very pretty knees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talking Hodor Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Oberyn's carelessness would bother me less if it wasn't a moronic cliche shoved down our throats in every single fight sequence this season. Polliver doesn't care about his friend dying a few feet behind him at Arya's hand because the Hound just has such an interesting face... The Ironborn are no match for Ramsay as he slowly turns his back on his armed foes because, OMG, he has a magic key... Karl instantly forgets about Jon Snow lying on the ground, despite having just been engaged in an intense fight with him... Rorge doesn't care that the Hound just killed Biter for their attempt on his life. He's perfectly happy to stand there like a moron while Arya stabs him in the heart... To their defense, I heavily doubt Rorge was expecting to get stabbed by a little girl, Karl had to his knowledge incapacitated Jon and had to deal with the stabber behind him, Ramsay is just plain creepy, would cause just about anybody to give pause. I mean, fuck, he walks into the dungeon half naked covered in blood pre-fight. Would you bum-rush that? And as far as fighting the Hound, I'd never take my eyes off of an opponent like that, especially to watch some little girl fight. Also, Oberyn had pretty much done in Gregor and practically pinned him to the ground with a spear. He was worried that he'd die without confessing, so why not get a little closer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor's Nancy Boy Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Really? I doubt someone who tries to murder Myrcella is going to be a fan favorite, maybe if it was Cersei... Darkstar tried to kill Myrcella just like Jaime tried to kill Bran. Jaime is one of the most liked characters on the show now. I'm not saying Darkstar will end up a fan favorite but I don't think the Unsullied really care about attempted murder on a child if the character who did it is a likable one. Besides, the last thing Darkstar does in the series is that. Then he goes missing. It would be a complete shock to those just watching the show. I could easily see the showrunners building him up to be charismatic and interesting then throwing that curve ball at the end of Arianne's little journey. The only thing is, he'll most likely have far less screen time than Oberyn and no one will want to embrace someone like that so soon after Oberyn's death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Fevre Dream Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Bhahahahahahahaha Anyone see this yet? https://twitter.com/JonSnowBastrd/status/474197099412615168/photo/1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ovis alba Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Nice one. :D And for those that still struggle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankou Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Darkstar tried to kill Myrcella just like Jaime tried to kill Bran. Jaime is one of the most liked characters on the show now. I'm not saying Darkstar will end up a fan favorite but I don't think the Unsullied really care about attempted murder on a child if the character who did it is a likable one. Besides, the last thing Darkstar does in the series is that. Then he goes missing. It would be a complete shock to those just watching the show. I could easily see the showrunners building him up to be charismatic and interesting then throwing that curve ball at the end of Arianne's little journey. The only thing is, he'll most likely have far less screen time than Oberyn and no one will want to embrace someone like that so soon after Oberyn's death. That is the worst avatar I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankou Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 To their defense, I heavily doubt Rorge was expecting to get stabbed by a little girl, Karl had to his knowledge incapacitated Jon and had to deal with the stabber behind him, Ramsay is just plain creepy, would cause just about anybody to give pause. I mean, fuck, he walks into the dungeon half naked covered in blood pre-fight. Would you bum-rush that? And as far as fighting the Hound, I'd never take my eyes off of an opponent like that, especially to watch some little girl fight. Also, Oberyn had pretty much done in Gregor and practically pinned him to the ground with a spear. He was worried that he'd die without confessing, so why not get a little closer? I have said this a thousand times but I would stand like six feet away and prod his testicles with my spear. It's not only a more effective method to get someone talking, but it'd keep him alive. It'd also feel really good to stab your sister's rapist in the balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ankou Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 To their defense, I heavily doubt Rorge was expecting to get stabbed by a little girl, Karl had to his knowledge incapacitated Jon and had to deal with the stabber behind him, Ramsay is just plain creepy, would cause just about anybody to give pause. I mean, fuck, he walks into the dungeon half naked covered in blood pre-fight. Would you bum-rush that? And as far as fighting the Hound, I'd never take my eyes off of an opponent like that, especially to watch some little girl fight. Also, Oberyn had pretty much done in Gregor and practically pinned him to the ground with a spear. He was worried that he'd die without confessing, so why not get a little closer? I would definitely bum rush a guy not wearing armor, the Ironborn are just the most worthless idiots on Westeros. They'd be toothless and selling meth if they were in our world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor's Nancy Boy Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 That is the worst avatar I have ever seen. Lol thanks I find it extremely odd that 28 Days Later has not been mentioned this far. Oberyn's death is very reminiscent of the eye gouging scene in that movie. Beware. The screams are worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iknownothingjonsnow Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Nice one. :D And for those that still struggle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ :lol: To their defense, I heavily doubt Rorge was expecting to get stabbed by a little girl, Karl had to his knowledge incapacitated Jon and had to deal with the stabber behind him, Ramsay is just plain creepy, would cause just about anybody to give pause. I mean, fuck, he walks into the dungeon half naked covered in blood pre-fight. Would you bum-rush that? And as far as fighting the Hound, I'd never take my eyes off of an opponent like that, especially to watch some little girl fight. Also, Oberyn had pretty much done in Gregor and practically pinned him to the ground with a spear. He was worried that he'd die without confessing, so why not get a little closer? :rolleyes: For your sake, I sincerely hope that entire post is a joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasta11 Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Oberyn's carelessness would bother me less if it wasn't a moronic cliche shoved down our throats in every single fight sequence this season. Polliver doesn't care about his friend dying a few feet behind him at Arya's hand because the Hound just has such an interesting face... The Ironborn are no match for Ramsay as he slowly turns his back on his armed foes because, OMG, he has a magic key... Karl instantly forgets about Jon Snow lying on the ground, despite having just been engaged in an intense fight with him... Rorge doesn't care that the Hound just killed Biter for their attempt on his life. He's perfectly happy to stand there like a moron while Arya stabs him in the heart... Karl is understandable, he was just stabbed. The pain would make anyone lose their head. And it's not like he was a genius either. Polliver is also kinda OK, I mean it's the friggin Hound, you can't expect anyone to have great awareness when facing such a ferocious opponent. But yeah, Rorge standing there just waiting to be stabbed was stupid, and the entire scene of shirtless Ramsay thwarting a party of seasoned, heavily armored reavers with his knives and dogs is utterly ridiculous. Beric vs the Hound is still the best fight of the series and they failed to touch it in terms of quality this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khal Shaggydog Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 But yeah, Rorge standing there just waiting to be stabbed was stupid, and the entire scene of shirtless Ramsay thwarting a party of seasoned, heavily armored reavers with his knives and dogs is utterly ridiculous. Beric vs the Hound is still the best fight of the series and they failed to touch it in terms of quality this season. Gotta remember Rorge is a pretty demented individual, and we can't ascribe the best logic and reasoning on him...it appeared it the show that he realized he wasn't going to kill the Hound, and was focused on not letting the Hound kill him at that moment. Not realizing the skinny girl would just calmly walk up and stab him in the heart. (side note - these on screen Arya kills are making me way too proud of her considering her circumstances - what a sick show GRRM). Beric and the Hound was a fantastic fight - the spinning attacks with the flaming sword, close quarters, sufficiently grizzled and serious fighters - and then the wildly graphic kill shot - just fantastic. Beric's lines are also great in that scene, from the "you'll be fighting me" to his last line after he is resurrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seneti Posted June 4, 2014 Share Posted June 4, 2014 Nice one. :D And for those that still struggle: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ :lmao: Hans Zimmer music... :lmao: But I guess it says something about how horrible it was to watch the last minute of that duel that I am now always half looking away when watching videos about it, just because I dread footage from that dreaded minute coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Devine Posted June 5, 2014 Share Posted June 5, 2014 I was devastated by his death and I knew it was coming too. I always thought the Viper was an awesome character and Pedro Pascal did a great job. All the Unsullied I know were very upset because they really liked the character. Anyway my friend sent me this, it's the Viper Mountain Duel scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8oOi6JOXEQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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