The Blackfish's trajectory

[the conquoring bastard25]

When the conquer landed in Westeros the queen of the vale offered herself for a queen. He rejected her. Yet the Targs have married Arryns before so yes he does have the right blood, he's got arryn blood from his Targ roots.

[the conquoring bastard25]

As you can see my plan doesn't involve Jon or the North taking up swords against the Vale which is very different from the Vale taking up swords against the north to reclaim Sansa's birthright.

Even if the Targ thing wasn't in there Jon is still related to half of the lords of the vale 2 and 3 cousins all. This is the same principle that Catelyn was talking about with Robb. Use as Vale Lording for the lord of the North. I'm just reversing it. It would be better for all parties involved really because this way they aren't fighting each other and making the vale bleed. They can place the leadership role in someone elses hand. Let that someone name someone to rule in their place when they are gone to their other kingdoms. The Lords don't have to draw swords, they get a new leader, removed Littlefinger and his manipulative ass from power and also sends the Imp packing as he's got more pressing matters like reclaiming his birthright from his in-laws.

[Leonardo]

In this post did I say anything about the Vale being ruled by the North now did I? I think I suggest that the north use the marriage to stake their claim on Casterly Rock as Tyrion by all the laws of Westeros is the Lord of Casterly Rock. I suggested that the North make the Lannisters pay their debts and use the marriage to their advantage. I said nothing about the Vale being ruled by the North.

Also, it the North gathering swords to invade their home land? OR would it be the other way around?

? What claim

Tyrion has the claim, Sansa is just his wife and it's widely known the marriage was never consummated

[the conquoring bastard25]

I'm coming at this as I think that Tyrion is going to come to the Vale to make good on his promise to leave it a smoking ruin. Once there I'm sure that he's going to recognize his wife.

The marriage may not have been consummated as of yet, although I thought that GRRM confirmed that something very tramatic would happen to the little bird. Having her raped by her husband and thrust consummating their marriage.

I'm of the mind that he didn't just have Sansa married to Tyrion for more reasons. Having them stay married has far more benefits then drawbacks. It makes a bridge between a lot of characters and their archs.

Littlefinger, Tyrion and Sansa themselves, Jon Snow, Edmure, Blackfish, Lady Stoneheart, just to name a few.

[Sages]

Furthermore the Twins (or a prison convoy from the Twins) is the most valuable target in the region. A succesful attack would see the release of valuable Stark loyalists hostages. If they are free, than the North and the Riverlands can once more take their gloves off and start fighting. It would also be a harsh blow to Frey power if the prisoners are taken away from them (and that's on top of the damage their castle may suffer in the attempt).

Wow, now this is very good thinking. From a feast of crows we know that Jaime ordered the Freys to send all of their valuable prisoners to the crown. If the blackfish manages to free all of them the northern lords are free to wreck havoc in the north and rise against the boltons. Jaime is concerned with the blackfish freeing edmure and so he doubles the escort and then I think he doubles it again right at the last minute. But I don't recall him giving any such instructions to the freys when they are transporting their hostages.

I'm liking this a lot, I had always wondered how the North could rise up against the boltons. While the freys held the hostages at the twins. For me this puts a different spin on the entire situation in the north. It makes sense to me now for stannis to be the one that ends up dying at the weirwood tree. That's why Massey is instructed to claim the iron throne in Shireens name even if he hears of stannis's death.

With stannis dead Mel becomes disillusioned about the azor ahai prophecy and tries a sacrifice using kings blood by way of shireen perhaps this will contribute to reviving jon. Meanwhile Bolton thinks he's crushed all the remaining opposition but the blackfish turns up with the missing northern lords and robbs will. And that's when the others arrive.........or not. Lol

Either way I really like the idea of the blackfish freeing the northern hostages when they are being transported.

[Salt 'n' Gravy]

I'm coming at this as I think that Tyrion is going to come to the Vale to make good on his promise to leave it a smoking ruin. Once there I'm sure that he's going to recognize his wife.

The marriage may not have been consummated as of yet, although I thought that GRRM confirmed that something very tramatic would happen to the little bird. Having her raped by her husband and thrust consummating their marriage.

I'm of the mind that he didn't just have Sansa married to Tyrion for more reasons. Having them stay married has far more benefits then drawbacks. It makes a bridge between a lot of characters and their archs.

Littlefinger, Tyrion and Sansa themselves, Jon Snow, Edmure, Blackfish, Lady Stoneheart, just to name a few.

Didn't someone have a theory somewhere that the giant Sansa would slay would be Tyrion, because of the whole "Giant of Lannister" thing?

[the conquoring bastard25]

idk, there are clues that Tyrion is at some point is going head back to the Vale. That his time there is no going to enhance the Vale or leave it the same.

[Leonardo]

...... that makes no sense, there isn't an army on grrth that could even penetrate the arryns domain at this point considering almost all are spent in comparison. Even a dragon is only going to be able to ferry one messenger there.

Total nonsense lol... Tyrion is halfway across the world and it took him an entire book to get there. How do you even begin to propose that happening? The vale has over 30k men, Daenerys has like 8000 and they're all currently in battle

[Osha13]

Hooded Man in Winterfell. Retribution for the killing of his Niece and his King. Freys have been dropping at a pretty good pace....

[Good Guy Garlan]

Hooded Man in Winterfell. Retribution for the killing of his Niece and his King. Freys have been dropping at a pretty good pace....

But Theon would probably recognize the Blackfish. He spent a lot of time in Robb's camp from Moat Cailin to Riverrun...

[the conquoring bastard25]

...... that makes no sense, there isn't an army on grrth that could even penetrate the arryns domain at this point considering almost all are spent in comparison. Even a dragon is only going to be able to ferry one messenger there.

Total nonsense lol... Tyrion is halfway across the world and it took him an entire book to get there. How do you even begin to propose that happening? The vale has over 30k men, Daenerys has like 8000 and they're all currently in battle

How long do you think Tyrion is going to remain half way across the world? Unless I'm mistaken Tyrion's time in Essos is coming to an end. There will be no reason for Tyrion to remain if Meereen falls the way that I think it is. There are the ships from Volantis and IB that just so happen to be arriving at Meereen when the battle commences and Tyrion is one of the first to recognize who had just arrived. Isn't there a part in the spoiler of Tyrion's where he thinks now isn't that interesting.

Dany is missing and more than likely if the two do meet it will be in Volantis, Dany at the head of a Khalashar. Yet even about that I'm doubtful, I am partial to Dany coming to Westeros pissed that her dragons were stolen.

Let's see here did Tyrion no mention when he first comes across his father's army that he had a plan to leave the Vale a smoking ruin? Did he not start that process when he armed the mountain men? Did he not contunie to speak of them and think about them when he was buying his sellsword army? I'm sorry am I miss remembering something? Then there is the fact that his loving wife is in the Vale right now. A wife that left him holding the bag against a murder charge and he almost lost his life to. The little man also has made contact with one of Littlefinger's pawn the dwarf he's running with.

Littlefingers says that he found them in Braavos and that's where he housed them, but Penny said no that they were found and housed in Pentos before the wedding that her brother made the arrangements.

If I'm right Littlefinger and the Fat man have been working together for quite sometime. The Fat man is from Braavos so is Petyrs grandfather, which is why his sigil is that of the Titan's head. The fat man ran to Braavos to Pentos where he befriended Varys....So where am I dropping the ball, what dots am I failing to connect?

Littlefinger is making it no secret that he's in the Vale. Even before his arrest Tyrion knew that Littlefinger was headed to the Vale to bed and wed Lysa Arryn. Tyrion doesn't need to know that Sansa is in the Vale, all he need know that the fat man's pawn was in the Vale and that Littlefinger his enemy who has to receive his payment because he's in Tyrion's "debt" Tyrion is a clever man and he would see through the dyed hair of Sansa Stark. OR he could very well hear about Littlefinger's bastard being wed to the new lord of the Eyrie. That would be enough to tweek the imps curiosity.

There isn't an army that could penetrate the Vales defenses is that what you just said. That's how the Andal invaded in the first place, they used the fingers as their access point. So if Tyrion a studier of history and a man that would use all of his knowledge to his advantage and whom has seen first hand the many defenses of the Vale. He already had a plan to sack the Vale and fuck their security. You think having a dragon that can breathe fire and set the 7 towers a flame , or just fly over the defenses straight to the top similar to how one of aegon's sisters did and got the Vale so surrender after smashing the Targs fleet in the Gullstown port I think.

There is a reason that Jon Snow is Tyrion's only friend though out the entire book, the only one to see him just as he his and appreciate him for it not damn him. This marriage acts as a bridge for the two to come together and hammer out some details. Remember Tyrion is going to be the bridge between all of the dragons, he's in the mist of all. He's the one that tangles and fucks/twists everything up.

[Osha13]

But Theon would probably recognize the Blackfish. He spent a lot of time in Robb's camp from Moat Cailin to Riverrun...

Theon isn't exactly in the most astute frame of mind since being with Ramsay. He could recognize that Arya is not the real thing because Arya grew up around him, but Edmure he only met through fighting for Robb. He may not be able to see the hooded man's face, or remember him, but like you said Theon spent time in Robb's camp. Keeping that in mind, Edmure would recognize Theon who isn't wearing a hood, and the hooded man does recognize Theon.

[Leonardo]

There is so very much wrong with that post...

Illyrio is working with Varys, as diametrically opposed to little finger at this point as can be. Tyrion has FAR bigger fish to fry than worrying about sands, not to mention he already HAS been married and consummated that one. Tyrion knows sansa had no real part in the murder.

Anyways fighting them on their homeground is stupid and impossible anyways, there ain't shit of value in the vale for him and he has far more important vengeance to reap upon cersei while lysa is already dead. If anything he wants littlefinger not sansa.

Jaime is a far better friend to Tyrion than Jon, hell even Bronn and shagga are. Jon was a 14 year old boy at the time.

Dude visenya flew to the eyrie and conquered the m diplomatically, they aren't even IN THE EYRIE FFS

Please just stop now lol, I'm all for crazy theories but all your facts are wrong and you are spouting fan fiction

[The Mother of The Others]

You never see any of those hate topics about the Fish. "Why all the hate for Blackfish?" Nope. He's like the one character who everybody likes. I mean who doesn't like the Fish? probably someone (who will now be inspired to start that Fish Hate thread), but you know what I mean. 99% of people are Fish backers.

I've imagined him going Lone Ranger to rescue Edmure at Casterly or track down a high priority target and stab 'em in the field. If he's tracking the Kingslayer, that could put him in contact with Stoneheart and he could be the one who's able to shout her down and get himself put in charge of the BWB, with Jaime & Brienne in tow.

[the conquoring bastard25]

There is so very much wrong with that post...

Illyrio is working with Varys, as diametrically opposed to little finger at this point as can be. Tyrion has FAR bigger fish to fry than worrying about sands, not to mention he already HAS been married and consummated that one. Tyrion knows sansa had no real part in the murder.

Anyways fighting them on their homeground is stupid and impossible anyways, there ain't shit of value in the vale for him and he has far more important vengeance to reap upon cersei while lysa is already dead. If anything he wants littlefinger not sansa.

Jaime is a far better friend to Tyrion than Jon, hell even Bronn and shagga are. Jon was a 14 year old boy at the time.

Dude visenya flew to the eyrie and conquered the m diplomatically, they aren't even IN THE EYRIE FFS

Please just stop now lol, I'm all for crazy theories but all your facts are wrong and you are spouting fan fiction

Jamie the same Jamie that Tyrion told the next time that they meet we will be on equal footing. The same Jamie that helped get Tyrions first wife raped because he lied to his little brother.(this conversation happens right before Tyrion escapes book #3) Yet Tyrion tells Jon most of my family are bastards but this is the first time I've had one as a friend. That's what I meant about Jon being Tyrion's friend.(Tyrion tells Jon this in book #1) Bronn doesn't count they were friendly but it was the coin not tyrions' company he wanted. Pod came to like the imp because he served him and Tyrion help Pod, but that's not a friendship. Jamie was his brother but he still betrayed Tyrion, not so in the case of Jon Snow.

There was never a battle in the conquest of the Vale? is that what you said? Straight from Wiki:

Aegon sent his fleet commanded by Daemon Velaryon to take Gulltown with his sister Visenya Targaryen and her dragon. In the ensuing battle, the Arryn fleet was able to defeat the Targaryen fleet and Daemon Velaryon was killed. Visenya Targaryen on her dragon, Vhagar, burned the Arryn fleet in response. Though, the Targaryens lost the battle, the Sistermen on the Three Sisters revolted against the House Arryn because of the lost fleet.(Fan fiction right?)

Let see what else were my facts wrong? Sansa had no real part of the murder are you kidding me? She was the one that wore the murder weapon into the feast! She's the one that escaped and left Tyrion to face murder charges or am I getting that wrong or how else did Sansa get to the Vale on the wings of a falcon? Sansa may have had no knowledge about it before hand but she grasped that quick enough once she met with Dontos before they left the castle.(could have sworn that Sansa arrives in the fingers by boat and Tyrion doesn't know his wife had nothing to do with it, he was puzzled by her behavior at the wedding constantly looking at Joff and his wife or maybe that was some more creation of my fan fiction)

There are too many hints that Varys/Petyr/the fat mar are working together.

1)the box that contains the letter that proclaims the lannisters were behind jon's death. It contained a myr looking glass, we know that Littlefinger put her up to the murder and probably the letter as well. Myr what eununic do we know that is from Myr but was born in lys(must be a figment of my imagination that he was from there right fan fiction, Cat never received a box or looking glass in the first book nor a letter right my fucked up fan fiction mind what was I thinking?)

2) When Ned is questioning Pycell about Jon's death and mentions poision, he said that poison was a woman's, eunich and craven's weapon. Well that fits Lysa, Varys, and Littlefinger to the tee. (Neither Pycell or Ned had this conversation in book one more of my fan fic make believe right)

3)When Jon gave Littlefinger a post in customs at Lysa's request. That would force Littlefinge to be out of the country for some time ,right. He was bringing in 3 times as much than the average, he had to be getting the extra cash some where. His first official post is in a position that requires him to meet and cultivate as relationships in Essos. Who do we know lives in Pentos, that has their hands in the affairs in Essos and Westeros. Whom has a stake in bankrupting the kingdom and creating financial instability? The fat man and littlefinger is his front man.(Tyrion never thinks bout Littlefinger and his appointment or his gift for gold, nor did he say that if ever a man had armored themselves it was Littlfinger, more fan fic and speculation on my part, you must have a differently edited copy of a Clash of Kings then the rest of us)

4)After Robert leaves for the north that leaves, pycell, renly, varys and barristan in the capital. Under some pretext the princess and her marriage he sends them to met with the king. That leaves the city open to Pycell and the other two whom I know are working together, their plots and plans scratch each other's back and work in each other's favors too often.(No this certainly didn't happen, nor did Sansa have a conversation with Renly or Selmy on the kings road before they get back to the Capital, nor was this the encounter right before Ayra and her wolf savage Joff, Sansa saying that Renly was young and he resembles the king, that must have been another copying glitch)

5)The tourney was a pretext to get all the lords and ladies in one place. After the tourney is done we see the next day that ayra comes across the fat man and the spider talking in the tunnels. the fat man's appearance in the capital would go unnoticed for the simple fact the capital is overcrowded. Yet they could plot all they want and it would go unnoticed.(Now where did I get this one from)

Those are just some of the examples of the ways that those three could be working together.

Again this is straight from wiki: The Andals first landed in the Fingers and attacked the First Men living in the Vale.(Wiki and their damn fan fic it's just fucking ridiculous. how dare they confirm something I wrote or based my fan fic on! the outrage)

The whole landscape of the game has changed. Cersei even if she gets back into power won't be staying there long. I have funny feeling that she's going to head back to Casterly Rock just like Rheanys did once KL fell and she needed to escape with her life. Only Casterly Rock isn't going to be in the hands that she thinks and she's going to end up a prisoner in her own home.

maybe you should be the one to take a seat as all of your facts aren't right either. At least I have the idea to back mine up with the wiki and fact I remember off the top of my head from the books. Can you disprove any of what I said?

Fan Fiction my foot!

[Lady of the Falls]

He's around. Not many people know what he looks like and like so many other characters have he can easily change his look. Shoot he may even be hiding in Lannister's Army lol. I think will def see more of him just because he's still alive and wasn't killed off so GRRM must have plans for his character. News travel thru the 7k like wildfire so he's probally heard about his nieces, he know's his nephew's alive, might be heading to the Vale, poss even the brotherhood. I don't think we've heard the last of him.

[Minstral]

1)the box that contains the letter that proclaims the lannisters were behind jon's death. It contained a myr looking glass, we know that Littlefinger put her up to the murder and probably the letter as well. Myr what euninic do we know that is from Myr?

None, because Varys claimed to come from Lys and was mutilated in Myr.

[Lady of the Falls]

Hooded Man in Winterfell. Retribution for the killing of his Niece and his King. Freys have been dropping at a pretty good pace....

I thought the hooded man was Mance Rayder?

[the conquoring bastard25]

None, because Varys claimed to come from Lys and was mutilated in Myr.

That's a twist of words, but your right I should have been more specific. What eunuch do you know that was born in Lys and then was ship to Myr traveling in a mummer's act (so he did grow up some in Myr or else when he got to Pentos his accent wouldn't have marked him for who he was) and later served in KL with Littlefinger? Thanks for pointing out and allowing to make the distinction.

[Minstral]

I thought the hooded man was Mance Rayder?

The Hooded man could be a number of people. A nobody to some small role character who knew Theon. He could also be a figment of Theon's imagination because no one mentions im or is suspicious of the man but him.