THOSE WHO SING

[wolfmaid7]

I am going to look thrrough the WB and see any song/magic themes,but as i was looking at the pics in the WB i remebered this quote that i don't thin i mentioned.I am tying this back to Dany and the presence of Dragonsong in her summoning.But again that theme of music is there

"As Daenerys Targaryen rose to her feet, her black hissed, pale smoke venting from its mouth and nostrils. The other two pulled away from her breasts and added their voices to the call, translucent wings unfolding and stirring the air, and for the first time in hundreds of years, the night came alive with the music of dragons."

[wolfmaid7]

So as i said earlier i was going to look through the WB and find instances of magical songs so we can have a look and see how they coincide with the idea of part of a universal magical song.

So this first quote:

"According to these tales ,the return of the sun came only when a hero convinced Mother Rhoyne's many children-lesser gods such as the Crab King and the Old Man of the River -to put aside their bickering and join together to sing a secret song that brought back the day.WB,pg.11"

"And the Rhoynar themselves showed little interest in expansion;the river was their home,their mother ,and their god,and few of them wished to dwell beyond the sound of her eternal song.WB,pg.22"

"It was said the the Mother Rhoyne herself whisphered to her children of every threat(pg.22")

Beyond the doors was a great hall and a splendor of wizards. Some wore sumptuous robes of ermine, ruby velvet, and cloth of gold. Others fancied elaborate armor studded with gemstones, or tall pointed hats speckled with stars. There were women among them, dressed in gowns of surpassing loveliness. Shafts of sunlight slanted through windows of stained glass, and the air was alive with the most beautiful music she had ever heard. A kingly man in rich robes rose when he saw her, and smiled.

“Daenerys of House Targaryen, be welcome. Come and share the food of forever. We are the Undying of Qarth.” ............................

I have come for the gift of truth,” Dany said. “In the long hall, the things I saw... were they true visions, or lies? Past things, or things to come? What did they mean?”

...the shape of shadows... morrows not yet made... drink from the cup of ice... drink from the cup of fire...

...mother of dragons... child of three...

“Three?” She did not understand.

...three heads has the dragon... the ghost chorus yammered inside her skull with never a lip moving, never a breath stirring the still blue air.... mother of dragons... child of storm... The whispers became a swirling song.... three fires must you light... one for life and one for death and one to love... Her own heart was beating in unison to the one that floated before her, blue and corrupt... three mounts must you ride... one to bed and one to dread and one to love... The voices were growing louder, she realized, and it seemed her heart was slowing, and even her breath.... three treasons will you know... once for blood and once for gold and once for love...

feel free to add more to look over.

[LmL]

Terrific thread Wolfmaid7! I've haven't read your other two yet but I am going to. I don't have a lot to add to what you've covered here except that I simply love all of it. As I mentioned to you elsewhere, I'm a musician and have a strong interest in the intersectkon of magic and sound. So, I definitely think there is a song of the sea. AFFC, introducing one of my favorite characters, one of the few who reads the important books in Westeros:

Lord Rodrik was seldom seen without a book in hand, be it in the privy, on the deck of his Sea Song , or whilst holding audience. Asha had oft seen him reading on his high seat beneath the silver scythes. He would listen to each case as it was laid before him, pronounce his judgment and read a bit whilst his captain- of- guards went to bring in the next supplicant. She found him hunched over a table by a window, surrounded by parchment scrolls that might have come from Valyria before its Doom, and heavy leather- bound books with bronze- and- iron hasps.

[...]

Nuncle. She closed the door behind her. What reading was so urgent that you leave your guests without a host? Archmaester Marwyns Book of Lost Books. He lifted his gaze from the page to study her. Hotho brought me a copy from Oldtown. He has a daughter he would have me wed. Lord Rodrik tapped the book with a long nail. See here? Marwyn claims to have found three pages of Signs and Portents , visions written down by the maiden daughter of Aenar Targaryen before the Doom came to Valyria.

In TWOAIF there is reference to a book about the Ironborn called "songs the drowned men sing," and a couple other references to the song of the sea. I will find it later tonight and post it for you.

Again great job and I think this idea can go further. Great catch on the fire Magic,I had missed the manic references there.

[LmL]

The mummers off the Ship showed her how a hero stands, and taught her speeches from The Song of the Rhoyne, The Conqueror’s Two Wives , and The Merchant’s Lusty Lady. Quill, the sad- eyed little man who made up all the bawdy farces for the Ship, offered to teach her how a woman kisses, but Tagganaro smacked him with a codfish and put an end to that. - AFFC, Arya

Lomas Longstrider, in his Wonders Made by Man, recounts meeting descendents of the Rhoynar in the ruins of the festival city of Chroyane who have tales of a darkness that made the Rhoyne dwindle and dissappear, her waters frozen as far south as the joining of the Selhoru. According to these tales, the return of the sun came only when a hero convinced Mother Rhoyne's many children - lesser gods such as the Crab King and Old Man of the River - to put aside their bickering and join together to sing a secret song that brought back the day." - TWOIAF

and the Rhoynar themselves showed little interest in expansion; the river was their home, their mother, and their god, and few of them wished to dwell beyond the sound of her eternal song. - TWOIAF

[LmL]

Among the Ironborn, it is said that the first of the First Men to come to the Iron Isles found the famous Seastone Chair on Old Wyck, but that the isles were uninhabited. If true, the nature and origins of the chair's makers are a mystery. Maester Kirth in his collection of Ironborn legends Songs the Drowned Men Sing, has suggested that the chair was left by visitors from across the Sunset Sea, but there is no evidence for this, only speculation.

[LmL]

“ Silence! ” Aeron roared. “Too long have the ironborn listened to you chain- neck maesters prating of the green lands and their laws. It is time we listened to the sea again. It is time we listened to the voice of god.”

[...]

My god, he prayed, speak to me in the rumble of the waves, and tell me what to do. The captains and the kings await your word. Who shall be our king in Balon’s place? Sing to me in the language of leviathan, that I may know his name. Tell me, O Lord beneath the waves, who has the strength to fight the storm on Pyke?

AFFC, The Prophet

[wolfmaid7]

Terrific thread Wolfmaid7! I've haven't read your other two yet but I am going to. I don't have a lot to add to what you've covered here except that I simply love all of it. As I mentioned to you elsewhere, I'm a musician and have a strong interest in the intersectkon of magic and sound. So, I definitely think there is a song of the sea. AFFC, introducing one of my favorite characters, one of the few who reads the important books in Westeros:

In TWOAIF there is reference to a book about the Ironborn called "songs the drowned men sing," and a couple other references to the song of the sea. I will find it later tonight and post it for you.

Again great job and I think this idea can go further. Great catch on the fire Magic,I had missed the manic references there.

Thank you LMLB,i completely missed the bolded and i'm glad you brought that up.

Yep i was very impressed with the suppossed magic exhibited by the water wizards of the Rhoyne and how with song they were able to raise the raise her.Very much like the COTF who with "Earth songs" were able to make the earth quake.

Now i got to tell you this is he one that really intrigued me the most because i keep thinking of who else but Patchface who also sings prophectically and to me it always seemed out of tune the way he does it.But i'm starting to wonder if he didn't return from the deep with with a song of his own.

[Grayce Hornwood]

As a vocalist and instrumentalist, I find this to be a really beautiful notion, and something I can personally connect to. Well done! :)

[LmL]

Thank you LMLB,i completely missed the bolded and i'm glad you brought that up.

Yep i was very impressed with the suppossed magic exhibited by the water wizards of the Rhoyne and how with song they were able to raise the raise her.Very much like the COTF who with "Earth songs" were able to make the earth quake.

Now i got to tell you this is he one that really intrigued me the most because i keep thinking of who else but Patchface who also sings prophectically and to me it always seemed out of tune the way he does it.But i'm starting to wonder if he didn't return from the deep with with a song of his own.

Leviathan is a fire breathing, seven headed dragon associated with the water. The fact that the Ironborn consider themselves the children of the sea and yet worship a sea dragon, who was supposedly slain by the grey king, we've got some inconsistencies here. I am thinking their tales are a bit confused. They're actually worshipping the sea dragon, and I think the sea dragon is the dead moon goddess rock that fell filming into the sea, bringing forth tsunamis. The sea dragon drowns whole islands in her wroth - sounds like a meteor / tsunami situation. When the grey King "tricked the storm god" and stole his fire, I think that was actually the flaming meteorite too.

Sorry that's a bit off topic but the song of leviathan ain't what they think it is.

[LmL]

A couple more Ironborn references, note the context around the quote. Not hearing the right song is a big problem:

I cannot go home , she thought, but I dare not stay here much longer . The quiet of the woods unnerved her. Asha had spent her life on islands and on ships. The sea was never silent. The sound of the waves washing against a rocky shore was in her blood, but there were no waves at Deepwood Motte … only the trees, the endless trees, soldier pines and sentinels, beech and ash and ancient oaks, chestnut trees and ironwoods and firs. The sound they made was softer than the sea, and she heard it only when the wind was blowing; then the sighing seemed to come from all around her, as if the trees were whispering to one another in some language that she could not understand. Tonight the whispering seemed louder than before. A rush of dead brown leaves , Asha told herself, bare branches creaking in the wind . She turned away from the window, away from the woods. I need a deck beneath my feet again. Or failing that, some food in my belly . She’d had too much wine tonight, but too little bread and none of that great bloody roast.

[...later in the chapter...]

“My queen,” said Tristifer, “here we have the walls, but if we reach the sea and find that the wolves have taken our ships or driven them away …”

“… we die,” she finished cheerfully, “but at least we’ll die with our feet wet. Ironborn fight better with salt spray in their nostrils and the sound of the waves at their backs.”

ADWD

[wolfmaid7]

As a vocalist and instrumentalist, I find this to be a really beautiful notion, and something I can personally connect to. Well done! :)

Thanks Grace :)

[wolfmaid7]

Leviathan is a fire breathing, seven headed dragon associated with the water. The fact that the Ironborn consider themselves the children of the sea and yet worship a sea dragon, who was supposedly slain by the grey king, we've got some inconsistencies here. I am thinking their tales are a bit confused. They're actually worshipping the sea dragon, and I think the sea dragon is the dead moon goddess rock that fell filming into the sea, bringing forth tsunamis. The sea dragon drowns whole islands in her wroth - sounds like a meteor / tsunami situation. When the grey King "tricked the storm god" and stole his fire, I think that was actually the flaming meteorite too.

Sorry that's a bit off topic but the song of leviathan ain't what they think it is.

I don't think its off topic at all.It has me thinking about the stunt Mel pulled with Ghost it was a bit of deception on her part I think by copying how Jon vibrates/sounds.Maybe the leviathan's song changed with the introduction of the goddess moon?

[wolfmaid7]

A couple more Ironborn references, note the context around the quote. Not hearing the right song is a big problem:

ADWD

Yep I think you right, that song was not meant for her so there would be a great sense of disconnect.

[LmL]

Did you catch this one?

Stannis peeled off the glove and let it fall to the ground. The gods in the pyre were scarcely recognizable anymore. The head fell off the Smith with a puff of ash and embers. Melisandre sang in the tongue of Asshai, her voice rising and falling like the tides of the sea. Stannis untied his singed leather cape and listened in silence. Thrust in the ground, Lightbringer still glowed ruddy hot, but the flames that clung to the sword were dwindling and dying. By the time the song was done, only charwood remained of the gods, and the king’s patience had run its course. He took the queen by the elbow and escorted her back into Dragonstone, leaving Lightbringer where it stood. The red woman remained a moment to watch as Devan knelt with Byren Farring and rolled up the burnt and blackened sword in the king’s leather cloak. The Red Sword of Heroes looks a proper mess, thought Davos.

[Mythrel]

Amazing. Thanks.

[wolfmaid7]

Did you catch this one?

Yeah i did,i noticed not only with her but in Tyrion's chapter in Dance when they were in Volantis before he boarded the Selaosori Qhorin.They too were singing and i have no doubt their songs are in fact incantations.

[LmL]

Yeah i did,i noticed not only with her but in Tyrion's chapter in Dance when they were in Volantis before he boarded the Selaosori Qhorin.They too were singing and i have no doubt their songs are in fact incantations.

Cool, just making sure. I hadn't noticed the fire songs so when I read this this morning I was like OH LOOK AT THAT.

[wolfmaid7]

Cool, just making sure. I hadn't noticed the fire songs so when I read this this morning I was like OH LOOK AT THAT.

In addition to what Mel for instance learned at the temple,she may have acquired a few more songs in Asshai.Gives me the creeps because i don't think we have seen everything the Priestess can do.And sadly,i see the waxing of the fire song in westeros we know Mel is singing is singing her songs constantly at the Wall.And if we add in the future dragonsong to the mix.....Crap!

[Avlonnic]

A couple of quick, random thoughts:

* It is interesting that Val sings to Monster. Some have theorized that she has a moonsinger background or some such mystic connection.

* It is also of interest that Bran thinks Leaf is similar to Arya but Arya herself states that while Sansa could sing prettily, all Arya could do was shout out the words. I wonder if she was trying to sing the wrong song? Hmmm...

[wolfmaid7]

A couple of quick, random thoughts:

* It is interesting that Val sings to Monster. Some have theorized that she has a moonsinger background or some such mystic connection.

* It is also of interest that Bran thinks Leaf is similar to Arya but Arya herself states that while Sansa could sing prettily, all Arya could do was shout out the words. I wonder if she was trying to sing the wrong song? Hmmm...

Good observations and thoughts.I once likened Sansa to Camila the Metamorph from Star Trek next Generation because of her ability to be what people expect her to be.In effect she changes her tune dependent on people's perception of her which is very much like Petyr or more apt a Mocking Jay.

Arya was constantly being forced to be like Sansa and your right that isn't her tune,her's is death and she sings that pretty well.