Ziggy Targdust Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Don't child safety things usually end up being things that only children are patient enough to figure out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf2375 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Because, obviously, it's a lot easier to kill a lot of people with guns than with knives. What? That doesn't answer the question that I asked - your position is that the existence of guns is what caused him to kill the first three even though he did not use a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greywolf2375 Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Don't child safety things usually end up being things that only children are patient enough to figure out Aspirin bottles? Sure. If a child is an expert in lockpicking, well, congratulations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Targdust Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Aspirin bottles? Sure. If a child is an expert in lockpicking, well, congratulations.Lockpocking? You mean put a lock on the gun? That requires a key? Might as well say you can't have the gun be loaded. What's really the difference there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuseprime Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The murder-rate per 100,000 inhabitants in Sweden is 0.9. atm. There is precisely two US states with a comparable Murder rate (Iowa, Idaho and New Hampshire) Meanwhile, the highest murder rate is in the vast inner cities of... Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississipi, with Michigan and South Carolina coming up behind. EDIT: As for rural people being less likely to murder... Have you seen Greenland's murder stats? :P EDIT2: The highest murder-rate in Europe (Russia's) is still lower than that of Louisiana. Most of Europe lies between 1-3, with a few outliers in eastern Europe (Moldova and the baltics, mostly) Fun fact: Finland has about twice the murder-rate of Sweden, and has had so for pretty much as long as we have figures. No one quite knows why. The lowest gun-murder rate in the US belongs to Vermont (0.3 per), which has a comparable population to Washington DC (16.5 per), which has a Gun-Murder rate that is more than double of that of Louisiana (7.7 per). DC also has the most restrictive gun laws in America. The Heller decision was a result of DC's asinine feel-good legislation throughout the years. Vermont also has the one of, if not the most, lax gun laws in America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 America's Gun Culture - What can we do? We can slowly advance the regulative frameworks preventing the possession of guns without proper registration. We can also perform our civic duty by reporting any and all illegal arms sales and the possession of guns by mentally unstable individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 As much as I agree with that, Notorious, we'd have to change the "no snitching" culture we have because at present, people tend to act like if it doesn't affect them and theirs, it's none of their concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Targdust Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Well our own government is putting people in prison for snitching on it. Why should anybody else snitchThat and how many of us are actually qualified to diagnose the mental stability of another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Let me phrase it another way ziggy targdust ............ do you think that people should not report erratic/suspicious behaviors just because they aren't experts, whether on crime, domestic abuse, or mental health? Well our own government is putting people in prison for snitching on it. Why should anybody else snitch Are you saying that people are being imprisoned for reporting on illegal arms sales or reporting the erratic/suspicious activities of possible mentally unstable people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Targdust Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Let me phrase it another way ziggy targdust ............ do you think that people should not report erratic/suspicious behaviors just because they aren't experts, whether on crime, domestic abuse, or mental health? Sure, that's different. Report it.Getting authorities to take your report seriously or follow through with any serious attempt is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Targdust Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Are you saying that people are being imprisoned for reporting on illegal arms sales or reporting the erratic/suspicious activities of possible mentally unstable people?No.I will say that people do get threatened or violence committed upon them for similar snitching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Sure, that's different. Report it.Getting authorities to take your report seriously or follow through with any serious attempt is another matter. Absolutely. Do your part and report ........... leave the diagnosis and the follow-up to the authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlefingers In The Air Posted June 3, 2014 Author Share Posted June 3, 2014 Where I grew up, as is the case with a lot of y'all who grew up in the inner city, the entire community looks down upon you if you're outed as a snitch. You're seen as working against your own people and working with the powers that be. It's a bunch of bullshit but it has to change if we're ever going to be able to reliably report illegal exchanges (and other crimes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziggy Targdust Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Absolutely. Do your part and report ........... leave the diagnosis and the follow-up to the authority.People already do that, nearly all these mass shooters were reported and warned about by someone.How many of us witness the sale of a gun? What if you do? Call the police and say "hey, I saw a gun get sold to someone I think looks suspicious"Besides, most of the gun carriers that look suspicious and mentally unstable to me are wearing a police uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuseprime Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 We can slowly advance the regulative frameworks preventing the possession of guns without proper registration. We can also perform our civic duty by reporting any and all illegal arms sales and the possession of guns by mentally unstable individuals. Curious, how does registering a firearm curb gun-violence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 Curious, how does registering a firearm curb gun-violence? It trace the chain of liability. We're a litigious society, so let's the aggrieved parties sue the shit out of anyone and everyone who was involved in the sales of that weapon. Also would help law enforcement tremendously to pass legislations requiring chemical tagging for gun powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 People already do that, nearly all these mass shooters were reported and warned about by someone. More reports doesn't seem to hurt here; if anything, it would underscore the severity of the perceived erratic/unstable behaviors. Also, law enforcement and mental health assessors should be given more authority to involuntary detain people for mental health observation; which is a legislation issue that need to be advanced further. How many of us witness the sale of a gun?Probably not in person. But if you happen to come across a facebook or forum posts from someone you know who said something to that effect, report them. Besides, most of the gun carriers that look suspicious and mentally unstable to me are wearing a police uniform That's really unfortunately. I hope your local police department make more of an effort to reach out to the community and be more responsive to valid citizens' concerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sologdin Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 notorious--i'm not against registration, but the sue-fuck-outta-them rationale won't attract many plaintiff lawyers if the defendants in tort are judgment-proof lumpenproles sans insurance. maybe require proof of firearm insurance to get registered, to help with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Notorious Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 maybe require proof of firearm insurance to get registered Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted June 3, 2014 Share Posted June 3, 2014 The registration thing always felt like a fairly poor idea as far as being useful. It's both invasive and not particularly useful. It doesn't stop people from getting guns. It doesn't stop people from using guns. It doesn't stop illegal guns from being fairly anonymous. Most other gun violence doesn't get reduced that way. The legal thing is fine, I guess, but I think most people who kill others with a gun are not worried particularly about being sued to death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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