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  1. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    At the time Empire came out, there was a whole lot of speculation that 'there is another' was going to have to beat Vader - and Luke. I do wish that the prequels were done competently, because there are a LOT of really good beats in story there that are damn compelling, especially if you work at interrogating the Jedi as actually being pretty horrible and making Anakin's point of view be pretty damn right. If you make the prequels more like Killmonger's righteous quest in Black Panther, it becomes a good story with a tragic ending. That said, I have no interest in this series remaking the prequels. As to Rey copying Luke, sorry, don't buy it. She hasn't had the loss like Luke did. She hasn't had the setback personally. She doesn't have the overcoming her parents. She's not remotely on the traditional hero's journey. And she isn't the one being told that she needs to save the universe; she's the one who is deciding to go and do it. It sounds like you basically want a story about Anakin again, except done better, and anything that isn't that is a story like Luke's, and, well ,that's just not particularly fair. Of course he knows she's alive. They sense each other. That's again established in the movie. He wants them all to die, and even if it's hard for him to personally kill them, he wants her gone. So is kidnapping hundreds of kids and training them in a cult Well, again, yes - it's Star Wars, not GRRM.
  2. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Holy shit, really? He had the image of him becoming his father. We found out that his father had turned. The Emperor believed he'd turn. At the start of RotJ he's fucking force-choking guards, wearing all black, and giving up his droids to be slaves. During the fight with Vader he only starts succeeding when he gives in to his anger and beats the shit out of his dad, and almost kills him. The whole series is whether or not Luke is going to give in to the same passion and anger and hate that his father did. That's one of the main points of the whole series. I think it would have been a retread of the above and a retread of Anakin. I don't see how it's bold to have a young, energetic jedi fall into darkness and turn to the dark side, given that they made 3 movies about it and a central point in the next two series. Ren literally said that he wanted to kill them all (or at least let them all die), so...no And yes, one of the things I hope that Rey does is figure out the parts of the Jedi that sucked - like Luke said in TLJ - and move away from them, while maintaining the Jedi order that makes sense. Another part of TLJ that was awesome was that it is the only movie that has done any kind of real inspection into how the Jedi at the height of Yoda's leadership was an authoritarian fascist nightmare group that condoned slavery, cruelty and ignorance of real events in order to protect power and structure. If the Empire under Palpatine was Nazism, the Jedi and the Republic under Yoda was the Catholic church. Cool! That'd be an interesting change, honestly - let the third show not be about Rey figuring out how to beat Ren, but Ren instead realizing he's outmatched and that he needs something more to beat Rey.
  3. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Not after TLJ, no. But during TLJ, that was the question. We didn't know if she would take that offer from Ren. We didn't know if she'd turn her back on Finn and Leia. That said, you didn't say you wanted ambiguity from Rey - you said you wanted it from Ren, which seems like a horrible idea. I don't want ambiguity from the person who murdered Han to go up a rung on the ladder. I want justice. I want Chewie to tear his arms off. Now, Rey being ambiguous would be a bit more interesting, I agree. But they already did that with Luke and Anakin, and if they ALSO do it with Rey I think the obvious complaint was that they're just copying things again. I think what TLJ does is set up the next movie with only a couple of required things to hit - they need Rey and Ren to finish what they started, they need to show the next generation of Jedi starting, and probably what Leia does with her new resistance. Unlike TFA, which set up a crazy amount of things that had to have some resolution, we have a far more open - world. So we don't have as much ambiguity about things, but we do have a lot more variety and complexity in what may happen.
  4. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think that would have been a massive disservice to Rey. We've been shown that he is basically pure evil. Fuck him. What Rey didn't realize (yet) was that he was pure evil. She still wanted to see the good in him, and the audience expected that we would given his parentage and the general way things work in Star Wars. Instead, we got the inverse of this, and it's better - that Rey firmly believes that he is not going to be any better, that he is willing to wipe out all of her friends and people she cares about if it gets what he wants (or even if it doesn't), and there is only opposing him at this point and nothing else. The relationship wasn't reset. Earlier they were antagonists, but Ren reported to others, and Rey didn't know what she was doing. The relationship has been set, in stone, for the final movie and the final fight. Rey now knows that Luke isn't going to be able to save them from Snoke and Ren. No one else is. It's just her duty to prepare the galaxy for the fight.
  5. Oh, Pelosi. You're once again showing how women in power are loved, because you are fucking killing it. Her giving permission to Trump to do it from the oval office offhandedly is precisely the kind of sick burn that will work. Nice job. https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/1085610482743037952
  6. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I don't see how someone who kills his dad in cold blood should be someone who is redeemed so easily, and certainly not by Rey. I personally like it a lot more for this. Ren is someone who unlike Vader chose the evil path because he wanted to. Not because of love, or because of power, but because he wanted to prove how great he could be - he did it for glory. He isn't cold and calculating either; he's absurdly impetuous, self-damaging, cruel, and excellent at manipulation. He's not at all like Palpatine. He doesn't scheme, nor does he think he should be in charge of everything because he wants the power. He is constantly striving to show the universe that he's worthy of a legacy that he inherited, and he's doing it in the only way he knows how - by emulating those who were worthy before him. Ren is, in short, a very good analogy for the fandom and the series of Star Wars after the original trilogy. And on his 'do his own thing' - he does want that. He wants to obliterate the resistance and the last remnants of his background so he can move on. He wants to kill the past. He goes apeshit about killing Luke not because Luke is destined to beat him, but because it's another reminder of his past. At the same time, he's willing to kill his own master, wipe out most of the First Order, take Rey on and rule together with her, and do something different. It didn't work, so he turns to things he knows a bit more, but he absolutely tried and almost succeeded.
  7. That's true, though when asked people didn't mention it as a particular concern. Honestly, I doubt most people will be able to bring up anything from 2017-2019 that they hated about Trump. There's just so god damn much to hate.
  8. I'm not sure that's wrong. Historically shutdowns don't end up mattering at all as far as elections go, but this one is a bit longer than usual.
  9. Nah, it was specifically targeting new dems in districts that Trump won in 2016, many part of a 'blue dog' caucus. It's kind of a smartish move! It worked with Manchin before. But they either couldn't show up or turned him down, leaving the lunch to Republicans only, and showing exactly how much power and unity Pelosi actually has. I'm honestly hugely pleasantly surprised; I wasn't as in to politics when she was speaker in 2006-2010, and her as minority speaker wasn't that impressive, but so far she has shown entirely to be the right person for the job.
  10. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Why can't people who criticize this film spell? Seriously, what is with that? Not a single person is telling you that your perception of the movie is wrong. What they are telling you, however, is that the idea that TLJ is somehow the Worst Movie EVER or has completely ruined Star Wars for ever is, well, just a biiiiit overblown. Also, and trust me I know how this sounds - Star Wars has a more divisive message than Avengers, especially right now. Having an authoritarian, racist group going after a bunch of multiracial people, complete with Kylo Ren literally using pick-up artist stuff in order to entice Rey - that's going to make a certain group of people really, really angry. I can't think of something like that in Avengers that would make anyone actually, well, angry. There are no real or perceived Trump analogues in Avengers. There are no rich people exploiting the masses in Avengers. There's a guy from space trying to steal a necklace from a wizard.
  11. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Per the article, Russian trolls made up the majority of the negative blowback on twitter and facebook, either by amplifying exceptionally sexist or racist points. That doesn't mean that the majority of people who reported negative values were not, in fact, actual trolls.
  12. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Compared to the level of online hate that it got. Colin Farrell wasn't required to run from the universe after the shitty Total Recall remake. Robocop didn't require Kinnaman to die in an internet fire. Oh, sorry, I thought we were talking about the movie, not some random thing about the trailer and how insane people were for their trolling and massive hatred because of a trailer for a movie they hadn't seen yet. Sure, fine, whatever. The number of ANY commenters compared to the people who watch are incredibly tiny. My point was that the abusers are a minority of the people who watched the film in general. As far as a comment section goes? As I said above, they were quite vocal and quite prevalent. I fail to see how that abuse benefited the movie. Again, citation needed.
  13. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The movie wasn't all that bad. How did it not fit reality? People being chased off the internet for actually being a black woman didn't happen? I know it's sacrilege to hear, but there are a pretty good chunk of people who liked the new Ghostbusters, and some who even loved it. Again, citation needed. I mean seriously, you had literal foreign governments doing PRECISELY THAT THING, and you're saying that it didn't happen or it was hyped up. Again, we have an actor whose crime was her being in the movie being harassed off the internet.
  14. Their best response was 'I welcome the chance to talk to the President about border security just as soon as the government is reopened'.
  15. Kalbear

    Star Wars Thread: I KNOW WHAT THAT IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I think you're high. I don't think that the studios lapped up Leslie Jones' massive harassment, nor did they lap up Tran's. The idea that it was a tiny amount of people is probably accurate, but it was an incredibly harassing, abusive group of internet asshats, and in no way did the studios think 'yes, that's what I want'. Rian Johnson might not be to your liking, or his vision of Star Wars might not be, but let's be real - he didn't set out to make a movie you didn't like. It wasn't plagued by reshoots and confusion like Solo was. (or for that matter, TFA). They weren't counting on MRA assholes to shit all over their movie so that they could 'prove' that it was a good movie or deflect blame. They legitimately thought it was a good movie, as did a vast majority of the critics, and from the box office a pretty good amount of fans. That you didn't like it doesn't mean there's a conspiracy to discredit criticism. Nor does my pointing out that Russian trolls amplified the criticism of those same MRA assholes, the same way they do with any thing that white nationalist incel manbabies do. (Watch them do the same thing to Gillette). If you have criticisms, awesome. I have plenty of every single star wars, because they are easy to criticize. Here's the thing about how people work - chances are good that you made the decision to like or not like it based nothing on rational flaws, but entirely on how it made you feel, and then you justified those feelings with rationalizations later. And that's fine! But that means the same deadly flaw that you point out won't matter that much to someone who liked it, because they liked it, and the small things are let slide. My theory is that people who had a very specific view of what Luke was supposed to do and be were hugely disappointed, and that colored their entire experience. I'm sure there are other people out there with other views, but I think the frission of Luke not being the heroic savior literally did attack their personal worldview, and that hurt them personally. Also, Luke drinking gross blue titmilk was funny as hell.
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