ira_gaines Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 That, along with the attempted fostering of Sweetrobin and the fact that Tywin had already hired the Brave Companions are proof of that Tywin was taking action. According to the unofficial timeline there was a gap of over a month from the time Tywin's actual invasion started to Vargo being dispatched with his reavers. They could have been hired during that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 According to the unofficial timeline there was a gap of over a month from the time Tywin's actual invasion started to Vargo being dispatched with his reavers. They could have been hired during that time. Nope, they couldn't be transported to Westeros during that time. Nor would they try to cross the Riverlands to reach Harrenhal with only 300 men. They were with Tywin's host at least since the Golden Tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ira_gaines Posted August 18, 2014 Author Share Posted August 18, 2014 Nope, they couldn't be transported to Westeros during that time. Nor would they try to cross the Riverlands to reach Harrenhal with only 300 men. They were with Tywin's host at least since the Golden Tooth. How long does it actually take to cross the Narrow Sea? Would Tywin have even needed them during the Golden Tooth? I get the feeling they probably can't fight for shit. I mean one of them's a jester and another's a priest for gods sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 How long does it actually take to cross the Narrow Sea? Would Tywin have even needed them during the Golden Tooth? I get the feeling they probably can't fight for shit. I mean one of them's a jester and another's a priest for gods sake. A week or thereabouts on the fastest route. That would be from the Fingers to Braavos. Unless you get caught up in bad weather. From Lys or or Tyrosh or wherever they boarded their transports to Lannisport would be a month or three. Tywin did not need them during the Golden Tooth, but it was the last time he had contact to friendly country and a port right up until the Battle of the Blackwater. Last chance for them to join his army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinchanging Sweetrobin Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 A week or thereabouts on the fastest route. That would be from the Fingers to Braavos. Unless you get caught up in bad weather. From Lys or or Tyrosh or wherever they boarded their transports to Lannisport would be a month or three. Tywin did not need them during the Golden Tooth, but it was the last time he had contact to friendly country and a port right up until the Battle of the Blackwater. Last chance for them to join his army. Not to mention, Jamie mentions in his POV that he met the Brave Companions before. Since he spends most of the war captured, the only time for Jamie to meet the Brave Companions would be at the Golden Tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Not to mention, Jamie mentions in his POV that he met the Brave Companions before. Since he spends most of the war captured, the only time for Jamie to meet the Brave Companions would be at the Golden Tooth. Or during previous battles... Like the Greyjoy Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinchanging Sweetrobin Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Or during previous battles... Like the Greyjoy Rebellion. Not that the Brave Companions can't go back and forth from Essos to Westeros, but Jorah mentions that the Brave Companions were a sucky company. So, they seem to be in Essos around when Jorah was a sellsword. It's also Jamie's manner in which he recognizes them: The scum of the earth surrounded them: swarthy Dornishmen and blond Lyseni, Dothraki with bells in their braids, hairy Ibbenese, coal-black Summer Islanders in feathered cloaks. He knew them. The Brave Companions. (Jamie III, ASoS) Was it the same Dornishmen, Lyseni, Dothraki, Ibbenese and Summer Islanders from years ago? Probably not. But, otherwise, it would look like any other sellsword company. That's why I think Jamie met them at the Golden Tooth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Not that the Brave Companions can't go back and forth from Essos to Westeros, but Jorah mentions that the Brave Companions were a sucky company. So, they seem to be in Essos around when Jorah was a sellsword. It's also Jamie's manner in which he recognizes them: The scum of the earth surrounded them: swarthy Dornishmen and blond Lyseni, Dothraki with bells in their braids, hairy Ibbenese, coal-black Summer Islanders in feathered cloaks. He knew them. The Brave Companions. (Jamie III, ASoS) Was it the same Dornishmen, Lyseni, Dothraki, Ibbenese and Summer Islanders from years ago? Probably not. But, otherwise, it would look like any other sellsword company. That's why I think Jamie met them at the Golden Tooth. Well, the Brave Companions could have been in Westeros for the Greyjoy Rebellion, gone back to Essos and returned prior to the War of the Five Kings.. That would give Jorah the time in between to get to know them by reputation in Essos. Not saying that's how it happened, but it is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinchanging Sweetrobin Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Well, the Brave Companions could have been in Westeros for the Greyjoy Rebellion, gone back to Essos and returned prior to the War of the Five Kings.. That would give Jorah the time in between to get to know them by reputation in Essos. Not saying that's how it happened, but it is a possibility. No doubt, but would those same 10 guys be working for the Brave Companions that long and would Jamie have recognized them after so long? Maybe, but those 10 guys would have to be really good at surviving being sellswords and Jamie would have to have a pretty good memory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhaenys_Targaryen Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 No doubt, but would those same 10 guys be working for the Brave Companions that long and would Jamie have recognized them after so long? Maybe, but those 10 guys would have to be really good at surviving being sellswords and Jamie would have to have a pretty good memory. Does Jaime identify specific people? No. Perhaps he is just making the connection, seeing as you normally don't run into a group of Lynesi, Dothraki, Ibbenese, Summer Islanders and Dornishmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Bright Blue Eyes, Robert is not Stannis. The "King's Banner" is not the King. Especially when the people flying it are on a reckless mission unsanctioned by the King himself The idea that Robert would go to war against the Lannisters for capturing Ned to exchange for Tyrion, while not punishing the Starks at all for instigating the whole thing, is just the usual Stark-love/Tywin-hate delusion. Robert hates making decisions or picking sides - he would grudgingly accept the solution Tywin was offering with the trade. Even if he wanted to go to war against his wife's family (and he wouldn't), he is surrounded in King's Landing by Lannister stooges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinchanging Sweetrobin Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Does Jaime identify specific people? No. Perhaps he is just making the connection, seeing as you normally don't run into a group of Lynesi, Dothraki, Ibbenese, Summer Islanders and Dornishmen.But doesn't a bunch of of Lyseni, Dothraki, Ibbenese and Summer Islanders describe every Essosi sellsword company?I mean, there's a chance that all sellsword companies have a "no Ibbenese" policy except the Brave Companions, but we've never heard of that yet.I do admit the high Dornish count may have given them away. That seems unique to the BC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon88 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Bright Blue Eyes, Robert is not Stannis. The "King's Banner" is not the King. Especially when the people flying it are on a reckless mission unsanctioned by the King himself The idea that Robert would go to war against the Lannisters for capturing Ned to exchange for Tyrion, while not punishing the Starks at all for instigating the whole thing, is just the usual Stark-love/Tywin-hate delusion. Robert hates making decisions or picking sides - he would grudgingly accept the solution Tywin was offering with the trade. Even if he wanted to go to war against his wife's family (and he wouldn't), he is surrounded in King's Landing by Lannister stooges. Exactly. He chose to follow Cersi in killing Lady even though he knew Joffrey was lying. People just have stupid delusions. Its not like they are going to kill Ned. The whole plan rests on capturing him and a hostage negotiation. Robert won't choose side since he doesn't have to and let the negotiation happen. That was Tywin's plan. And Tywin did not know anything about the incest. To him Tyrion was captured without a reason and if they do the negotiation everything would be fine. To the Lannisters capturing of Tyrion was out of the blue and they did not see any reason for the capture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramsay Gimp Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Exactly. He chose to follow Cersi in killing Lady even though he knew Joffrey was lying. People just have stupid delusions. Its not like they are going to kill Ned. The whole plan rests on capturing him and a hostage negotiation. Robert won't choose side since he doesn't have to and let the negotiation happen. That was Tywin's plan. And Tywin did not know anything about the incest. To him Tyrion was captured without a reason and if they do the negotiation everything would be fine. To the Lannisters capturing of Tyrion was out of the blue and they did not see any reason for the capture. Jaime attacks Ned, nearly kills him, and slaughters his men: "You will make your peace with Jaime." Tywin captures Ned and trades him for his son: "Treason! Let's destroy Casterly Rock!" :dunce: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Jaime didn't attack Ned. He's not stupid.But let's go with your scenario. Ned is exchanged for Tyrion. He resigns his Handship, heads North, where preparations for war had already begun, and he waits for the Lannister's next move. He probably advises Edmure on how to deal with the Lannister forces.What does Robert do now? Does he side with the Lannisters? Does he stay on the sidelines and watch as his realm descends into civil war? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Bright Blue Eyes, Robert is not Stannis. The "King's Banner" is not the King. Especially when the people flying it are on a reckless mission unsanctioned by the King himself Might be. In that case, he has to take the Lannister side and behead Ned for overstepping his authority. Do you think Robert would prefer that? Jaime attacks Ned, nearly kills him, and slaughters his men: "You will make your peace with Jaime." Tywin captures Ned and trades him for his son: "Treason! Let's destroy Casterly Rock!" :dunce: The difference is that the first is a private dispute gone out of hand in a heated moment (or could be explained away as such), the other is long-planned treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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