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Did anyone else feel like Dany cheated to free the Unsullied from Astapor?



When I watched the show, I felt more like Dany was being righteous. When I read, it felt like she was deliberately deceptive and stole the slaves. Sure, she set them free - but the transaction felt a lot more underhanded to me than it did in the show, like she was craftily and deliberately misleading, which the show kind of glossed over.


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The exchange was the same, though. In the books, Dany paid what she was expected to pay. Drogon killed the masters, and the Unsullied did the remainder of the "work". As they have become Dany's property, Dany had every right to order them to kill the masters.



Sure, it was a trick. Dany knew that Drogon would not listen to the great masters, and knew that one word from her would cause them to burn. But it was also incredibly naive of the slavers to think that they could just go take a dragon and the animal would listen to them without a problem.


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Yes, it was naive of the slave masters and I know the course of events was pretty much the same in book and show, overall - show Dany just felt different to me in the event, more idealistic and righteous but less deceptive.



I noticed the same difference of feeling with the battle of Yunkai. In this battle, in the book, Dany also employed deception as a primary tactic.



I feel like she wages war more similar to Tywin, or Roose Bolton, than someone like Robb Stark, in the book. I don't feel like the show paints her tactics in quite the same light. Reading Dany makes me feel like she would not be above a tactic like the Red Wedding, if it was required to secure her claim - watching her makes me feel like she would never resort to that.


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Yes, it was naive of the slave masters and I know the course of events was pretty much the same in book and show, overall - show Dany just felt different to me in the event, more idealistic and righteous but less deceptive.

I noticed the same difference of feeling with the battle of Yunkai. In this battle, in the book, Dany also employed deception as a primary tactic.

I feel like she wages war more similar to Tywin, or Roose Bolton, than someone like Robb Stark, in the book. I don't feel like the show paints her tactics in quite the same light. Reading Dany makes me feel like she would not be above a tactic like the Red Wedding, if it was required to secure her claim - watching her makes me feel like she would never resort to that.

sure she uses deception and it is how you have to deal when you are dealing with slavers and sellswords because they are going to play as ugly as anyone will play and u need to be think out of the box to win them

but if you think she will do a red wedding style then you dont understand her as much but keep on reading the books in the next book there will be a certain conversation with danny about doing a red wedding style and see how she reacts to that

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Well, I'll have to see how she is in the next book but in ASoS I'm finding her steeped in deception and double standards.



She get's angry at both knights for lying to her, even those she has lied to win 2 battles. She seems very much like a do as I say, not a do as I do leader - I couldn't follow her. For all her ideals and good intentions, she justifies her own hypocrisy constantly. Definitely not a straight enough arrow for me to warm to.


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I could see that for the first time Danny manned up and saw what she must do to secure her cause in a different perspective. She tried to be just and righteous during her visit in Qarth in spite the fact they tried to take her dragons and her freedom too. Even before Drogo died,she tried to deal with both hers and her khalasar's problems the way she thought fitting, judging everyone the same way that was, and saw that most of the times her plan backfired.



I'm not surprised that after all she's been through,molested as a child, sold as a piece of meat by her own brother, finally she started doing things the nasty way. Don't be confused that she would go that far as using "Red Wedding" tactics to anyone that didn't try to harm her the same or worse. I actually enjoy the sneaky Danny, because she applies that sneakiness to scums like the slavers. She accepts the norm of "hypocrisy goes both ways".



I didn't thought of her as the holy,clean and just savior of Westeros after all, even from the beginning of her story. We are talking about military and politic leadership after all,even in a fantastic universe.


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There is a theory that Astapor was one of the "three treasons you will know" predicted by the warlocks in the HotU -- that is, the three treasons are not necessarily committed against her but committed by her against others.


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She didn't have a choice but to use deception to free Astapor & gain the Unsullied to her side. She certainly didn't have the gold to buy them without using a dragon, and didn't want to part with one of her children by choice. She used their greed against them, because they were too busy salivating at the thought of owning a dragon to consider how to corral its nature.


I'm sure this "deception" went down much easier for her knowing these were men who butchered & tortured children with a leader who cursed her every time he opened his mouth.


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