Beorn121 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 sorry for the bad english not my mother tounge. I dont know if anybody notest it.i could not find anything about it in forums or debates.alot of the plot in a song of ice and fire is taken from babylon5 and from an animated movie from the 80s called fire and ice. Lets begin with that B5 copied names and plot from lord of the rings. that is well known and they dont try to hide it.The idea of bran connected to the tree and being able to see everything in the kingdom is taken from there - drall and the machine that projects his concienceness to the universe. The shadows - and the others or the great other.The shadows that bring death and chaos woke up a thousend years ago and began a war against the young reaces while using them against each other.when the shadows where defeated they went to sleep for a thousend years and now woke up again to bring death and chaos. The one and azor ahai.the one in made of three people who are the one.the one that was. the one there is and the one that will be. and the minbari revolves aroind the number 3. 3 casts. 3 languages and so on. just like the dragon has 3 heads. The rangers oath in B5 resambles the nights watch oath:"i am a ranger""we walk in the dark places no one else will enter""we stand on the bridge, and no one may pass.""we live for the one, we die for the one." and theres more. any one who will watch the show will see the similarities. as for the movie fire and ice. there are lots of similarities.such as: theres a witch there that looks just like melisanre and a very big slow man like hodor.there is the evil sorcerer necron that has frost magic and moves a giant wall of ice towards the south against the fire nation that has dragon riders and wildlings serve necron and his witch mother. i would be happy for comments and check the facts to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 sorry for the bad english not my mother tounge. I dont know if anybody notest it. i could not find anything about it in forums or debates. alot of the plot in a song of ice and fire is taken from babylon5 and from an animated movie from the 80s called fire and ice. Lets begin with that B5 copied names and plot from lord of the rings. that is well known and they dont try to hide it. The idea of bran connected to the tree and being able to see everything in the kingdom is taken from there - drall and the machine that projects his concienceness to the universe. The shadows - and the others or the great other. The shadows that bring death and chaos woke up a thousend years ago and began a war against the young reaces while using them against each other. when the shadows where defeated they went to sleep for a thousend years and now woke up again to bring death and chaos. The one and azor ahai. the one in made of three people who are the one. the one that was. the one there is and the one that will be. and the minbari revolves aroind the number 3. 3 casts. 3 languages and so on. just like the dragon has 3 heads. The rangers oath in B5 resambles the nights watch oath: "i am a ranger" "we walk in the dark places no one else will enter" "we stand on the bridge, and no one may pass." "we live for the one, we die for the one." and theres more. any one who will watch the show will see the similarities. as for the movie fire and ice. there are lots of similarities. such as: theres a witch there that looks just like melisanre and a very big slow man like hodor. there is the evil sorcerer necron that has frost magic and moves a giant wall of ice towards the south against the fire nation that has dragon riders and wildlings serve necron and his witch mother. i would be happy for comments and check the facts to. I'm sure GRRM has borrowed ideas from all over. He's a sci-fi writer and fan so likely he was big into B5 when it was playing. Lots of this is based on archetypes anyway, which permeate western culture. The lost prince, the hidden savior, the magical sword and so on. Back to Arthurian legend and long before. Anyway you might be interested in reading this http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn121 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 I'm sure GRRM has borrowed ideas from all over. He's a sci-fi writer and fan so likely he was big into B5 when it was playing. Lots of this is based on archetypes anyway, which permeate western culture. The lost prince, the hidden savior, the magical sword and so on. Back to Arthurian legend and long before. Anyway you might be interested in reading this http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html Thanks forthe comment, ye i guess ur right eventually the inspiration is from older folklore what interested me is that he took some direct general plot form B5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynned Lannistark Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 A game of thrones was released at 96. I think Babylon 5 was aired earlier , but not sure early enough to effect the book but GRRM may have been aware of the plot before it aired. I suppose both are based on common themes in Sci-Fi and Fantasy. But I agree there are some very similar concepts though I didn't think about it myself. You mentioned other similarities as well. Can give more examples? I find this rather interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn121 Posted October 14, 2014 Author Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sure np,B5 is from 94, and most of the influence i refered to is not in book 1 but in the later books.i did not expand on drall and the machine.the machine is like the tree that bloodraven and bran are connected to.in B5 drall is replacing the one who is connected to the machine becouse he is getting too old, he invites drall in visions to replace him like BR and bran.the machine prolongs the life of the one connected to it and is in a deep carven underground protected by powefull defences and is very ancient.the machine is maintained by workers one of them is over a 100 year old and reminds a litle how leaf and the children re helping BR. the war between the shadows and the vorlons reminds the war between relor and the great other and might give us a hint where the plot is going, that the humens are used by this 2 gods that war against each other and none of the gods is good for man kind, kust like the vorlons and the shadows in B5.so that relor isnt good or bad and neither is the great other. but who knows GRRM crtainly likes suprizes so anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis's Lawyer Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Trying to guess stuff based on external sources never ever work. For instance, Rhaenyra Targaryen did not survive the Dance of the Dragons. Empress Matilda survived the Anarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I always felt A Song of Ice and Fire was similar to B5. I mean more characters tend to die in the former, but the writing is very similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tynned Lannistark Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Sure np, B5 is from 94, and most of the influence i refered to is not in book 1 but in the later books. i did not expand on drall and the machine. the machine is like the tree that bloodraven and bran are connected to. in B5 drall is replacing the one who is connected to the machine becouse he is getting too old, he invites drall in visions to replace him like BR and bran.the machine prolongs the life of the one connected to it and is in a deep carven underground protected by powefull defences and is very ancient. the machine is maintained by workers one of them is over a 100 year old and reminds a litle how leaf and the children re helping BR. the war between the shadows and the vorlons reminds the war between relor and the great other and might give us a hint where the plot is going, that the humens are used by this 2 gods that war against each other and none of the gods is good for man kind, kust like the vorlons and the shadows in B5. so that relor isnt good or bad and neither is the great other. but who knows GRRM crtainly likes suprizes so anything can happen. Thanks. Drall's machine is incredibly similar to Bloodraven's Weirnet. Othres vs Rhllorists fight not so much alike to Vorlons vs Shadows. But I see your point. Great post! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sifth Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 I guess telepaths and wargs are more or less the same thing too. Dam there really is a lot of Babylon 5 in this series, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hodorisfaclessman Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If you go to zah ha dune /kings landing ...you will die Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Civility Reigns Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Fire and Ice was a great movie. Classic, rotoscoped, male adventure fantasy cashing in on the Conan the Barbarian craze of the early 80s. Yes please. I'm glad I'm not the only one who watched it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn121 Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 sure awsome movie. oldschool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyLittleFinger Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Well I know one thing for sure at least, B5 is a better show than GOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I loved B5 and I'm still pissed at Warner Brothers for its role in the B5 universe's premature death.I thought of one other similarity. In B5, 1 out of every so many people are TP's and 1 out of every so many TP's are TK's. In ASOIAF, 1 out of every so many people are wargs, and 1 out every so many wargs are greenseers (sp?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Btw, my forum alias name is from one of the B5 book trilogies, which is why I selected the photo for this alias. The photo looks nothing like me. And, my tag line is from one of the more major characters; I've always loved this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beorn121 Posted October 15, 2014 Author Share Posted October 15, 2014 I loved B5 and I'm still pissed at Warner Brothers for its role in the B5 universe's premature death.I thought of one other similarity. In B5, 1 out of every so many people are TP's and 1 out of every so many TP's are TK's. In ASOIAF, 1 out of every so many people are wargs, and 1 out every so many wargs are greenseers (sp?).nice. very similar indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I guess telepaths and wargs are more or less the same thing too. Dam there really is a lot of Babylon 5 in this series, lol Yeah he's def on to something. Someone should ask George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daskool Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I loved B5 and I'm still pissed at Warner Brothers for its role in the B5 universe's premature death.I thought of one other similarity. In B5, 1 out of every so many people are TP's and 1 out of every so many TP's are TK's. In ASOIAF, 1 out of every so many people are wargs, and 1 out every so many wargs are greenseers (sp?).CGI was in it's infancy when it was made, it hasn't aged that well but the concept was ambitious and overall well executed. Hopefully the movie reboot will do it justice. http://screenrant.com/babylon-5-movie-reboot/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Another similarity, in B5, building up to the Shadow War, there were a number of references to the last one as the characters rallied and prepared. In ASOIAF, the build up toward the war with the Othershas characters referring to the last Great War with the Others. In both cases, those of the present sought to learn from the past to be more successful in their war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummester Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I'm sure GRRM has borrowed ideas from all over. He's a sci-fi writer and fan so likely he was big into B5 when it was playing. Lots of this is based on archetypes anyway, which permeate western culture. The lost prince, the hidden savior, the magical sword and so on. Back to Arthurian legend and long before. Anyway you might be interested in reading this http://gameofthronesandnorsemythology.blogspot.com/2013/05/ragnarok-song-of-ice-fire.html I haven't watched Babylon 5 but this thread got me interested in reading that link and that link is very interesting. It is possible that Babylon 5 and ASoIaF are based on a similar mythology and this Norse mythology of Ragnarok, which I don't know too much about, is basically an eco tale - the corrupted gods and men must be cleared from the world so it can flourish anew - which is very much in line with where I see ASoIaF heading. And yes, Fire and Ice is classic 80s Swords and Sorcery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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