sToNED_CAT Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 SYC,I'd like to see everyone gainfully employed. If our vets are reduced to taking jobs migrant workers do there are serious issues with the US economy. You realize the illegal immigrants are not just picking crops, right? Those that work in construction for example, have relatively well paid jobs, desired by many Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee baby Shamus Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 You realize, illegal immigrants are not just picking crops, right? Those, that work in construction for example have relatively well paid jobs, desired by many Americans. Yep, I do. Do you realize that I have worked along side said illegal immigrants in the same field/job? The answer is no. Their paperwork is legal but the individual was not. Did I care? NO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 You realize, illegal immigrants are not just picking crops, right? Those, that work in construction for example have relatively well paid jobs, desired by many Americans. Not for the same wage that Americans would command though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprincethatwasntpromised Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 None of you liberals have explained how you determine if an illegal immigrant has really been here for five years or five months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprincethatwasntpromised Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'll wait... Google away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkess Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 When it first came up, I was pretty wary of executive overreach and expansion of powers, but the more I learn about this, the less I think that is the case. I suppose I should have known better than to give even that much credence to the Republican tantrum, but it's not an area I think Obama is on solid ground (see: drones). Anyway, researching it more for myself, it seems pretty well-based in law and hardly a sweeping gesture of contempt towards the Constitution. Will grab some citations and quotes later if I have time to elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 None of you liberals have explained how you determine if an illegal immigrant has really been here for five years or five months. A specific one? Or in general? In general you just measure the rings on their trunk, just like trees. Specific breeds will require more testing and possible carbon dating as well as knowledge of their flora. For instance, the Carnegiea gigantea does not have any specific rings but the thorns become significantly tougher over longer periods, so you can usually tell visually how long that illegal immigrant has been there. The Cephalocereus senilis is much harder to determine, as it matures easily and has often spread and grown domestically, making it very difficult to determine even by appearance whether it is illegally immigrated to the US soil or not. In all seriousness, the same way that you do with determining residency. You have bills, you have jobs, you have payments, you have bank accounts, you have witnesses. You say illegal immigrants like these people are living in hovels somewhere and take everything in cash, and have no contact with anyone around them. How would you prove that you've lived wherever you're living for 5 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Benghazi. If at first you don't succeed, keep on failing. http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7265187/house-benghazi-report The seventh investigation finds that, "the CIA ensured sufficient security for CIA facilities … and, without a requirement to do so, ably and bravely assisted the State Department on the night of the attacks … Appropriate US personnel made reasonable tactical decisions that night, and the Committee found no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprincethatwasntpromised Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Benghazi. If at first you don't succeed, keep on failing. http://www.vox.com/2014/11/21/7265187/house-benghazi-report The seventh investigation finds that, "the CIA ensured sufficient security for CIA facilities … and, without a requirement to do so, ably and bravely assisted the State Department on the night of the attacks … Appropriate US personnel made reasonable tactical decisions that night, and the Committee found no evidence that there was either a stand down order or a denial of available air support."What does it matter anyway, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Wow, that was quite the stumper. I wonder how many Googles Kalbear had to burn to come up with the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 What does it matter anyway, right? Well, it matters in that we lost an Ambassador and security personnel. But it was investigated and there's no conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starkess Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories How many of these are they going to end up doing?? Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria. The House Intelligence Committee report was released with little fanfare on the Friday before Thanksgiving week. Many of its findings echo those of six previous investigations by various congressional committees and a State Department panel. The eighth Benghazi investigation is being carried out by a House Select Committee appointed in May. What a waste of time and manpower in desperate pursuit of something they can use to smear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 What does it matter anyway, right? It doesn't bother you that you've been jerked around and lied to for two years by Fox News? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalbear Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Yeah, it's odd. I think people have this image of illegal immigrants living illegally in illegal houses and squatting, getting paid only in cash, driving unregistered and unlicensed cars, having no bank, no savings, no possessions. That's really not the case. You can get a driver's license without being a US citizen and having legal presence, at least in some states. You can certainly get bank accounts without being a US citizen or being in the US legally. You can have residence, mail, go to school, have your kids go to school, go to church, have a credit rating, buy a house - all without being legally a resident in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 http://bigstory.ap.org/article/ecc3a300383445d5a90dd6ca764c9e15/house-intel-panel-debunks-many-benghazi-theories How many of these are they going to end up doing?? What a waste of time and manpower in desperate pursuit of something they can use to smear. But BENGHAZI!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprincethatwasntpromised Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 A specific one? Or in general? In general you just measure the rings on their trunk, just like trees. Specific breeds will require more testing and possible carbon dating as well as knowledge of their flora. For instance, the Carnegiea gigantea does not have any specific rings but the thorns become significantly tougher over longer periods, so you can usually tell visually how long that illegal immigrant has been there. The Cephalocereus senilis is much harder to determine, as it matures easily and has often spread and grown domestically, making it very difficult to determine even by appearance whether it is illegally immigrated to the US soil or not. In all seriousness, the same way that you do with determining residency. You have bills, you have jobs, you have payments, you have bank accounts, you have witnesses. You say illegal immigrants like these people are living in hovels somewhere and take everything in cash, and have no contact with anyone around them. How would you prove that you've lived wherever you're living for 5 years?Obama told them now they could come out of the shadows so the must be a little reclusive right? So a minor adjustment of the date on a lease or bill and they're golden right? After all if they get deported, they can't pay their rent or their car payment. It would benefit the lendor to keep them here fraudulently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theprincethatwasntpromised Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 It doesn't bother you that you've been jerked around and lied to for two years by Fox News?Being told a video on YouTube was responsible was a lie. But it came from the Obama administration. You need to be refreshed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Being told a video on YouTube was responsible was a lie. But it came from the Obama administration. You need to be refreshed? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obFHu7DCsEs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 You might want to use the Googles in order to understand the reference. It's okay. I can wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned Snow Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 When it first came up, I was pretty wary of executive overreach and expansion of powers, but the more I learn about this, the less I think that is the case. I suppose I should have known better than to give even that much credence to the Republican tantrum, but it's not an area I think Obama is on solid ground (see: drones). Anyway, researching it more for myself, it seems pretty well-based in law and hardly a sweeping gesture of contempt towards the Constitution. Will grab some citations and quotes later if I have time to elaborate. Check out Justice Jackson's concurring opinion in Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. v. Sawyer. It describes the SCOTUS framework for analysis in Executive Power cases in great detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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