OuttaOldtown Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Come on, after one year rhaegar still thought aegon is the promised prince with the song of ice and fire. We have no proof that happened, Dany saw that as a vision in the HotU, it's a clue. GRRM isn't gonna reveal it to be Jon in the second book.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 dumb question: could aerys, have known, what rhaegar was going to do? Varys was whispering and feeding his paranoia. Could he have summized rhaegar doing this, without regard for his marriage with elia, would have ruined the whole targaryen operation? or was rhaegar's actions completely random improv? assuming rhaegar had varys' birds spying on him for the sake of the throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 the question of why could be theorized it was the ghost of high heart that pushed him in his pursuance of lyanna. barristan told daenerys, in the chapter immediately following arya's confrontation witht he ghost (and tom'o'sevens playing for her), that rhaegar would frequent summerhall with his harp, and would return sad, singing of dead kings and tears. the ghost fed him the seeds of prophecy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaOldtown Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 the question of why could be theorized it was the ghost of high heart that pushed him in his pursuance of lyanna. barristan told daenerys, in the chapter immediately following arya's confrontation witht he ghost (and tom'o'sevens playing for her), that rhaegar would frequent summerhall with his harp, and would return sad, singing of dead kings and tears. the ghost fed him the seeds of prophecy I think it was Howland as well, in the story of TKatLT it's important to remember that he wasn't leaving Greywater to attend a tournament, it was to go to the Isle of the Faces. He stayed there all winter, did not leave until spring broke. Bran asks: "Did he meet the green men?" "Yes," said Meera, "but that's another story" Given that Howland was present at that tourney and the ToJ I'd say that "story" is relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 We have no proof that happened, Dany saw that as a vision in the HotU, it's a clue. GRRM isn't gonna reveal it to be Jon in the second book.. ? It is not jon. It is aegon. This was confirmed already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaOldtown Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 ? It is not jon. It is aegon. This was confirmed already. Ok, make a vision in the house of the undying a fact.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 the question of why could be theorized it was the ghost of high heart that pushed him in his pursuance of lyanna. barristan told daenerys, in the chapter immediately following arya's confrontation witht he ghost (and tom'o'sevens playing for her), that rhaegar would frequent summerhall with his harp, and would return sad, singing of dead kings and tears. the ghost fed him the seeds of prophecy If wood witch (likely ghost) can predict the prince came from rhaella and aerys. It is indeed possible that she told rhaegar that the prince came from him and layanna. However, a big however, At Aegon birth, rhaegar clearly thought aegon is the prince. So, what rhaegar did in HH which is one year ago, purely due to his desire in lyanna, not prophecy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ok, make a vision in the house of the undying a fact.. It is. Grrm said they are rhaegar elia and aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaOldtown Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 My question regarding your Aegon assumption is where's the ice? A Targ, a Martell, which side is the ice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 If wood witch (likely ghost) can predict the prince came from rhaella and aerys. It is indeed possible that she told rhaegar that the prince came from him and layanna. However, a big however, At Aegon birth, rhaegar clearly thought aegon is the prince. So, what rhaegar did in HH which is one year ago, purely due to his desire in lyanna, not prophecy. and yet, so much sadness in his returns from summerhall. there was a price, and he knew it, and went ahead anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaOldtown Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 and yet, so much sadness in his returns from summerhall. there was a price, and he knew it, and went ahead anyway Exacty, it was his destiny, it cost him his life and many others.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 My question regarding your Aegon assumption is where's the ice? A Targ, a Martell, which side is the ice? Because rhaegar misunderstood the prophecy. Aegon is not ice and fire. Rhaegar said so and thought so and he was as wrong as melissandre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Exacty, it was his destiny, it cost him his life and many others.. He can feel free to welcome his doom. But if he has done the whole thing in a better and more wise way, some people may be able to live slightly longer.....such as his family and lyanna's family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaOldtown Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Because rhaegar misunderstood the prophecy. Aegon is not ice and fire. Rhaegar said so and thought so and he was as wrong as melissandre. Ok, but where you & I disagree is you're taking a vision as a fact. Dreams and visions reveal clues, they're not to be taken as 100% fact imo, especially in that place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 He can feel free to welcome his doom. But if he has done the whole thing in a better and more wise way, some people may be able to live slightly longer.....such as his family and lyanna's family. i never understood the concept of doing it openly and making it public. why not secret nocturnal rendezvous? it was purposely intentional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuttaOldtown Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 To clarify, I think there's a huge difference between the visions Dany sees in the house of the undying & what Bran saw seeing out of the eyes of a Weirwood tree.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Ok, but where you & I disagree is you're taking a vision as a fact. Dreams and visions reveal clues, they're not to be taken as 100% fact imo, especially in that place! I am not sure. But it looks like these visions are the looks at the past. Probably real. Not symbolic dream. More like the photos and video clips of the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 its like he knew the result, and war has to happen, to set in motion the events that would destroy all suitors to the throne before the "king" is crowned. perhaps he knew, that war needed to happen, that would result in the desired outcome. still, dead kings. could be construed in many different ways. the dead kings of winter, the stark crypt kings, hell, the night's king, though Others arent really dead. could be the simulation of all the kings that take/lose the throne immediately before the intended ascends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple-eyes Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 i never understood the concept of doing it openly and making it public. why not secret nocturnal rendezvous? it was purposely intentional Because poor rhaegar is in love. He was blinded by desire aka hormones at that moment. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazfemur Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Because poor rhaegar is in love. He was blinded by desire aka hormones at that moment. :) was it though? he couldnt blatantly pull a robb stark, coul dhe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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