oursisthefury69 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 I mean the castle is a ruin why would he want to take it? Besides killing Bolton's of course The only way this makes sense to even ask is if the previous assumption is that he would theoretically just post-up in Winterfell long-term should he obtain it. If you've read the books at all this isn't a question. Stannis is winning the Northmen to his cause, Stannis is trying to win the Iron Throne, Stannis was at the Wall, there's this thing called the "Kingsroad", which leads to Stannis' ultimate destination, along this road is a place called Winterfell, generally speaking its a disadvantage to leave an enemy stronghold in your rear? "Besides killing Boltons of course." The one reason you list lol, maybe one of the only reasons he isn't trying for Winterfell, he doesnt have some intrinsic penchant for killing Bolton's nor any overt personal disdain for them. And Winterfell isnt ruined in the show, seeing as this thread is clearly based off of the place the shows at, so shouldnt be an issue for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevasTra82 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Minor correction. Stannis didnot send Davos to bring Rickon. Stannis does not even know that Rickon is alive. The only Stark known to be alive for Stannis is "Arya Bolton". Your right, brain fart. It was Wylis Manderly who sent Davos to Skagos to retrieve Rickon, not Stannis. Either way, if Davos is successful (which I'm assuming he probably will be), Manderly will align themselves with Stannis as well. Stannis is setting himself up with one heck of an army.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nyrhex Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 The main reason is that Martin wanted a big battle there. The Dreadfort plan is superior in every way, and Martin had to dumb down everyone at the war council to get Stannis to make the pointless side-quest to Deepwood Motte, and then have him stuck in the snow to give a head start to get to Winterfell. He also wanted to hype up Jon Snow, despite the fact that he is wrong in pretty much everything there. But hey, that's Martin's writing style, things are smart or stupid based on narrative, not logic. The main objective now is to try and destroy Bolton in a battle of annihilation because it's the only choice left. Winterfell would later get a small garrison and abandoned by the main force, since it serves nothing aside from a bit of a propaganda victory. The main objectives after that is to close off Moat Cailin and clean house in the North, prepare for winter and sort shit out at the Wall. The Dreadfort actually has supply, Winterfell's was destroyed or taken back to the Dreadfort. There would be no enemy to worry about near Winterfell, and Stannis needs his army close to the Wall before the Others show up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King17 Posted May 29, 2015 Author Share Posted May 29, 2015 Your right, brain fart. It was Wylis Manderly who sent Davos to Skagos to retrieve Rickon, not Stannis. Either way, if Davos is successful (which I'm assuming he probably will be), Manderly will align themselves with Stannis as well. Stannis is setting himself up with one heck of an army.... It is a ruin in the books I do not even watch the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor227 Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Stannis' original plan was to take the Dreadfort, with the main Bolton host (and heck their reserves as well) gone. Jon Snow persuaded him otherwise, that winning the North back from the Ironborn at Deepwood would rally more men to his cause, and taking a pro-North stance would get him the clansmen. Frankly, I don't think either of those plans was very ideal. With one, unlike under Cassel's stewardship, the Dreadfort actually has a garrison. If Stannis can't take it quickly, he'll quickly lose the wildling troops he'd planned to bolster his own with, and be vulnerable to Roose's army, which already outguns him. Likewise, at Winterfell he's marching against relatively even numbers, but the castle and weather are on the side of the defenders. He even admits that if Roose didn't come out and give him battle, he'd lose, and even then, the forces Roose are sending out are the quarrelsome Freys and Manderlys, which strengthens his position in the castle. Whatever the case though, he needs the Boltons defeated or occupied, as any march south leaves them at his back to destroy him. Likewise, he doesn't have the army to take on... well, anyone, so he needs the North on-side and a fresh host from them to even stand a snowball's chance against the Lannister/Tyrell alliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 It is a ruin in the books I do not even watch the show A repaired ruin. All the military assets are working again, only a couple niceties for civilian life are still damaged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oopeed Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 He's the king. It's his duty. Simple as that. Also, it helps to have a unified north under his command to face the white walkers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNorthRemember Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 One questuion: where is the food of Winterfell? .They have stored food for a long winter of 5-10 años.Ned is a good gorbenante; before reaching Rober longer have food stored for winter several years (as in the Wall) .Where is that food? Although looting Invernalia not think the food will take five years because they could not carry it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 One questuion: where is the food of Winterfell? .They have stored food for a long winter of 5-10 años.Ned is a good gorbenante; before reaching Rober longer have food stored for winter several years (as in the Wall) .Where is that food? Although looting Invernalia not think the food will take five years because they could not carry it. Probably burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPathera Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Nope. That was exactly what Roose wanted, planned a trap for, and was prevented by Jon Snow. I meant after recruiting the Mormonts, North Clans and Umbars. Plus, Jon's warning would've reached him as Stannis is traveling east and closer to the Wall. Therefore, the Karstark trap isn't as viable and the likely-undermanned Dreadfort falls before Roose can respond. (If I recall, Roose doesn't know that his plot was revealed) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Lannister Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Stannis wants to take Winterfell because he's the king and he doesn't rule it and he thinks he should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLightning Lord Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 because he doesn't care about fighting the others, all he wants is his iron chair ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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