Daendrew Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 They climb Walls. *shudders* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Is it possible to include images in posts without linking out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmnomnomPomelo Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 When I finished ADWD the first time I thought too that ice spiders will be able to climb the Wall. I'd watch, khm, read that in the next books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 But the Wall is more than just a large and high obstruction. It's also wired with magic to keep things Norht of it. Coldhands couldn't pass for example, even though he obviously was a brother of the Night's Watch. The question would be whether Ice Spiders fall in the same category as Others and wights that could not pass the Wall because of magic, unless someone let's them in (as happened with the 2 wights that attacked LC Mormont and Jon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 But the Wall is more than just a large and high obstruction. It's also wired with magic to keep things Norht of it. Coldhands couldn't pass for example, even though he obviously was a brother of the Night's Watch. The question would be whether Ice Spiders fall in the same category as Others and wights that could not pass the Wall because of magic, unless someone let's them in (as happened with the 2 wights that attacked LC Mormont and Jon). Spiders can also jump ridiculously high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbecue Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I've always thought large spiders would look rather weird, especially with someone riding them.Now to picture them climbing the wall seems even weirder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Spiders can also jump ridiculously high. I'd say 700 feet is beyond "ridiculosly" high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daendrew Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 Real jumping spiders can jump 25x their height. Ice spiders are the size of hounds or horses are maybe 5 feet high. Others ride on them so they aren't the size of shih tzus Magical jumping spiders may be able to go higher. In any case, I think they will be able to climb the wall. Until it comes down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plectrum Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I think the magic in the wall would preclude this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Seed Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 My question is, are they still out there or are they creatures that only existed long ago?If they still exist, why haven't the Others used them all these years? Unless like some feel, they can't be utilized until the magic in the wall is broken or disrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I doubt that you can simply multiply the height they can jump with the same factor as their size (they are X times larger and can therefore jump X times as high), physics do not really allow that... ... Plus, it would look ridicoulus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordofthemornin Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 They might exist in the books but doubt you will ever see them on screen. The whole climbing the wall thing is something I thought of recently too but disregarded after I thought about the magic protecting the wall. However, should the wall be brought down or be passed in other ways via sea or Bridge of skulls then the Ice Spiders would be the ideal foil for storming fortresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Daendrew Posted May 30, 2015 Author Share Posted May 30, 2015 They might exist in the books but doubt you will ever see them on screen. The whole climbing the wall thing is something I thought of recently too but disregarded after I thought about the magic protecting the wall. However, should the wall be brought down or be passed in other ways via sea or Bridge of skulls then the Ice Spiders would be the ideal foil for storming fortresses. Magic prevents The Others. They may be non-others but regular creatures that live beyond the wall. GRRM wrote about ice lizards etc in The Ice Dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.P. Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 I doubt that you can simply multiply the height they can jump with the same factor as their size (they are X times larger and can therefore jump X times as high), physics do not really allow that... ... Plus, it would look ridicoulus. Exactly. Let's say an ice spider is 5 feet high. That's probably about 100 times higher than a real jumping spider, which would make it 100 times longer and 100 times wider as well. Which means it would be 100*100*100 = one million times heavier than a real jumping spider, but with only 100 times the jumping ability. And we haven't even taken into consideration that the ice spiders may not be large versions of jumping spiders. They may well be more akin to non-jumping types of spiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heh? Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 AFAIK, the idea that the entire wall is a magic barrier is still speculation. We know Coldhands couldn't pass through the tunnel, but we also know the wights could not enter the cave where BR is. That doesn't mean they can't travel the ground above it. We can assume the wall was built with magic, but I don't see the point in making it 700 feet high if it's a magic barrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bael's Bastard Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 There was no Wall when the Others came with ice spiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caspoi Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Heh?@ Mayby to strengthen it, ir make sure that the Others can not simply jump over it. I don't really know but it could probably not hurt to have a physical barrier as well as a magical one, if nothing else because then the nights watch at least knows where to patrol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikethesebooks Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 There was no Wall when the Others came with ice spiders.Id bet anything the wall is coming down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetsunray Posted May 30, 2015 Share Posted May 30, 2015 Exactly. Let's say an ice spider is 5 feet high. That's probably about 100 times higher than a real jumping spider, which would make it 100 times longer and 100 times wider as well. Which means it would be 100*100*100 = one million times heavier than a real jumping spider, but with only 100 times the jumping ability. And we haven't even taken into consideration that the ice spiders may not be large versions of jumping spiders. They may well be more akin to non-jumping types of spiders. Exactly... Imagine an elephant all of a sudden jumping 25x its height. LOL. Hell, even the big spiders in our world like tarantula's and bird spiders can't jump 25x their own height. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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