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  1. @Sly Wren Because I think that if Rhaegar and Tywin had been crafting a plot, it was probably thrown into disarray as a result of Jaime being named to the KG, Aerys's attendance at Harrenhal, and Rhaegar's actions re: Lyanna during and after Harrenhal. Tywin didn't just want Aerys out, he wanted his daughter to be Queen, and his grandchildren to be Kings. Most of the early battles were between partial rebel (mostly Robert and his Stormlanders) and partial royalist (royalist Stormlanders, Reach men) forces, and I wouldn't be surprised if they happened in pretty quick succession. The only really major battle Rhaegar missed was the Battle of the Bells, which started out with a wounded Robert being surrounded and hunted by royalist forces at Stoney Sept, and in which Robert was saved from certain death by the arrival of the North and newly won over Tullys. Up to that point, the North, Vale, and Riverlands forces hadn't been present in any of Robert's battles south of the Trident (Jon's helped Robert escape Gulltown, and put down royalist Vale lords, but hadn't yet been able to link up with Robert and his forces). Rhaegar goes north for the first battle against the closest thing to the full strength of the rebels. Pretty much the least opportune battle for him. Tywin, on the other hand, waited for Rhaegar to be dead and the royalist cause to be dead with it. The fall of KL was only a matter of time. They can hardly be compared. Yes. And depending on whether Rhaegar or Aerys was responsible for the contents of the summons, I think Rhaegar might have tried to pull out all the stops he could to convince Tywin to join in on his the royalist side. No, I think Rhaegar was just trying to keep Aerys occupied long enough for the rebels to defeated, then come back with the royalist army and set about making changes. Rhaegar didn't need Tywin, or anyone else, to take King's Landing. He had already assumed command of all seven KG, and the royalist army. When Tywin didn't answer the summons, Rhaegar leaving Jaime with Aerys not only gave Aerys a sense of comfort that he had a hostage in case Tywin tried to act against him, but also gave Tywin pause if he had any inclination to join the rebels or act against the royalists. To prevent Tywin from helping saving the Targaryen regime. If Tywin helps the royalists defeat the rebels, and the realm is able to weather Aerys and Rhaegar's actions, there's a chance for the Targaryen regime to be stabilized. IMO, Pycelle was/is among a Citadel fraction that wished to see the Targaryens overthrown. And I have little doubt that Pycelle is being at least somewhat honest when he claims he had hoped Tywin would become king. If he was/is indeed part of an anti-Targaryen faction of maesters, I could see Tywin having been his preferred candidate to replace them. By making sure that Aerys's summons never reaches Tywin, Pycelle makes it likely Tywin doesn't join in on the side of the Targaryens, and rescue their regime. And when he sees Tywin arrive at the gates of KL, while Aerys has reason to believe Tywin is finally answering his summons, Pycelle knows Tywin never received that summons, and has not received any summons or offer from the Targaryens that would cause him to be coming for their benefit. King's Landing is already under royalist control, and Rhaegar has now assumed command of the KG and army. He needs Tywin's forces against the tens of thousands of rebels massing at the Trident, not taking the royalist held capital. I just don't that this would be a plan Rhaegar would have, especially after Tywin had ignored the summons after the Battle of the Bells, and was still ignoring it when Rhaegar rode off to the Trident.
  2. Bael's Bastard

    Fire and blood Volume...3???

    The same way he crammed a little less than the first half of Targaryen history into the first volume. He might decide to split it into two more volumes, but he already showed he can spend hundreds of pages writing about just a handful of years, and spend less than hundreds of pages writing about decades and decades. A majority of the first volume is spend on eleven years of Aenys and Maegor, two years of Rhaenyra and Aegon II, and five or six years of Aegon III's regency, less than twenty years total out of 137-138 years.
  3. Bael's Bastard

    Prince Nymor's letter (slight crackpot)

    The Martells were much further removed from Rhoynish wizardry than the Targaryens were from the Freehold. I don't see such a threat working on Aegon. I am not sure what the letter contained. Perhaps the Dornish brought Rhaenyrs's remains with them to King's Landing, and the letter instructed him where to retrieve them, so he could bring burn them and deposit them on Dragonstone? Or perhaps not. Whatever the case, Dorne is a shithole that Aegon originally only wanted for completion's sake, and then only wanted for revenge's sake. Aegon was never going to take and keep Dorne with dragons, and he would have had to send tens of thousands to their deaths to take and hold it without dragons. The "prize" was never going to be worth the price.
  4. I'm up for the idea that Rhaegar and Tywin might have been discussing or laying plans prior to the Harrenhal Tourney, but I don't think there's any chance that they had any active plans during Robert's Rebellion. As for the summons Rhaegar persuaded Aerys to send, I suspect that Rhaegar was hoping to revive any previous cooperation he had or hoped to establish with Tywin, but that Tywin either didn't receive it (in which case I suspect Pycelle of preventing the message from being sent or reaching Tywin), or Tywin did receive it and just ignored it. In either case, I don't think there was any active plan between Rhaegar and Tywin, and I don't think Rhaegar was wanting or hoping for Tywin or his son to act against Aerys without him.
  5. I don't see an issue. There is no timeline in which the announcement of Brandon's wedding to Catelyn did not occur while Brandon was visiting Riverrun, dueled Petyr after he challenged Brandon for Catelyn's hand, and vowed to wed Catelyn when he returned before riding off never to return. Catelyn was past delicacy. "He was my father's ward. We grew up together in Riverrun. I thought of him as a brother, but his feelings for me were … more than brotherly. When it was announced that I was to wed Brandon Stark, Petyr challenged for the right to my hand. It was madness. Brandon was twenty, Petyr scarcely fifteen. I had to beg Brandon to spare Petyr's life. He let him off with a scar. Afterward my father sent him away. I have not seen him since." She lifted her face to the spray, as if the brisk wind could blow the memories away. "He wrote to me at Riverrun after Brandon was killed, but I burned the letter unread. By then I knew that Ned would marry me in his brother's place." - AGOT: Catelyn IV Brandon Stark had bid her wait as well. "I shall not be long, my lady," he had vowed. "We will be wed on my return." - AGOT: Catelyn X I gave Brandon my favor to wear, and never comforted Petyr once after he was wounded, nor bid him farewell when Father sent him off. - ACOK: Catelyn VI A fortnight passed before Littlefinger was strong enough to leave Riverrun, but her lord father forbade her to visit him in the tower where he lay abed. Lysa helped their maester nurse him; she had been softer and shyer in those days. Edmure had called on him as well, but Petyr had sent him away. Her brother had acted as Brandon's squire at the duel, and Littlefinger would not forgive that. As soon as he was strong enough to be moved, Lord Hoster Tully sent Petyr Baelish away in a closed litter, to finish his healing on the Fingers, upon the windswept jut of rock where he'd been born. - AGOT: Catelyn VII I'm not sure what relevance it being common knowledge that Lyanna was betrothed to Robert by the time of the Harrenhal Tourney has. Brandon and Catelyn had been betrothed for years as well before the wedding was announced after the Harrenhal Tourney in 281 AC. I was only twelve when my father promised me to your brother Brandon. - AGOT: Catelyn II Lady Lysa was two years younger than Mother - ASOS: Sansa VI How young they all had been—she no older than Sansa, Lysa younger than Arya, and Petyr younger still, yet eager. - AGOT: Catelyn XI Brandon was twenty, Petyr scarcely fifteen. - AGOT: Catelyn IV Catelyn was two years older than Lysa, and Petyr was younger than Lysa. So if Catelyn, who was two or more years older than Petyr, was promised to Brandon when she was twelve, and Petyr, who was two or more years younger than Catelyn, was "scarcely fifteen" when he dueled Brandon, then Brandon and Catelyn must have been betrothed for more than a few years. If we are to take Bran's statement in AGOT: Bran VI literally, then it indicates that Brandon returned to Winterfell after Harrenhall, and left together with Rickard and company, before seemingly going ahead to Riverrun for the last time. If Bran is generalizing or incorrect, then Brandon might have remained in the south after Harrenhal, and Rickard and company left while Brandon was in the south. Whatever the case, it would seem that the players involved either announced the previously agreed upon time for the wedding, or else announced the wedding after communicating on the matter. Whatever the case, I doubt it's coincidental that Brandon was present in Riverrun when the wedding was announced.
  6. @Feather Crystal Yandel doesn't state or indicate that Lyanna's alleged abduction occurred early in 282 AC, or when in 282 AC Lyanna's alleged abduction occurred, only that Rhaegar had taken to the road with the coming of 282 AC, and that the journey ultimately led him back to the Riverlands, where he allegedly fell upon and carried off Lyanna (TWOIAF: The Year of the False Spring): With the coming of the new year, the crown prince had taken to the road with half a dozen of his closest friends and confidants on a journey that would ultimately lead him back to the riverlands. Not ten leagues from Harrenhal, Rhaegar fell upon Lyanna Stark of Winterfell, and carried her off It isn't clear how many days, weeks, or months passed between when Rhaegar took to the road with the coming of 282 AC, and when Rhaegar's journey ultimately led him back to the Riverlands. In describing Aerys II's accession in 262 AC, Yandel states, "Not even the wisest could have known that Aerys II would in time be known as the Mad King, nor that his reign would ultimately put an end to near three centuries of Targaryen rule in Westeros." In this case, ultimately is referring to the overthrow of House Targaryen in 283 AC, approximately twenty one years after his accession. In describing Jeyne Arryn's friendship to Rhaenyra and her sons, Yandel states, "In that struggle, Jeyne Arryn, Lady of the Eyrie and Maiden of the Vale, proved a staunch friend to Rhaenyra Targaryen and her sons, ultimately serving as one of the regents for King Aegon III." In this case, ultimately is referring to the accession and regency of Aegon III beginning in 131 AC, at least two months after Rhaenyra's death on the 22nd day of the 10th month of 130 AC. In describing Aegon V's agreement to wed his daughter Rhaelle to Lyonel Baratheon's heir Ormund, Yandel states, "As the Seven in their wisdom would have it, it was the match that King Aegon V agreed to in order to appease the Laughing Storm that ultimately led to the end of Targaryen rule in the Seven Kingdoms." In this case, ultimately is referring to the overthrow of House Targaryen by Robert Baratheon in 283 AC, thirty eight years after the wedding of Rhaelle and Ormund in 245 AC. Like you, I lean towards the belief that the False Spring occurred towards the end of 281 AC. That said, I must acknowledge that Yandel's wording does not tells us: In which months the less-than-two-turns False Spring occurred At what point during the less-than-two-turns False Spring the ten day Harrenhal Tourney occurred How many days, weeks, or months passed between the end of the Harrenhal Tourney and the end of 281 AC How many days, weeks, or months passed between the end of the False Spring and the end of 281 AC Yandel does not tell us how much time the "As the year grew to a close" that followed the less-than-two-turns False Spring encompassed, whether days, weeks, or months. But even if one were to take it further, and interpret Yandel's statements to mean that the less-than-two-turns False Spring occurred over the last two months of 281 AC, and that the less-than-two-turns False Spring ended the day before "the last day of the year," and that the ten day Harrenhal Tourney occurred over the last ten days of the less-than-two-turns False Spring and ended the day before "the last day of the year," we would still have nothing telling us when in 282 AC Lyanna's alleged abduction occurred. I am not pushing the timeline to fit a particular narrative. I am crafting a theory that attempts to take into account all the information that is available to us, without contradicting any of the information that is available to us. The information we have about when Elia wed Rhaegar (280 AC), when Elia conceived and gave birth to Rhaenys (280 AC), how long Elia was bedridden after she gave birth to Rhaenys (half a year), and the earliest and latest Elia could have conceived and given birth to Aegon while Rhaegar was still present (before he took to the road with the coming of the new year, 282 AC), leaves us with a very limited window of approximately 24 months for all of those things to have occurred within. Aside from Aegon repeatedly being referred to as an infant, something Thoros also refers to the two or more year old Rhaenys as, I don't recall any explicit reference to Aegon's age, let alone something as specific as him being around twelve months old. I make no claim to know in which month of 283 AC the Sack of King's Landing occurred, or which months in 282 AC Brandon's execution or Lyanna's alleged abduction occurred. We don't have enough information to determine those things. Thanks. Because Rhaegar was present for Aegon's birth on Dragonstone, and because Rhaegar did not take to the road with the coming of 282 AC, on the journey that ultimately led him back to the Riverlands, when he is alleged to have abducted Lyanna, until after Aegon had been born. Aside from all the other reasons it doesn't seem likely that Howland would have been entrusted with escorting Lyanna, including the fact that she was at Harrenhal with her three brothers, and likely some number of Stark men, Howland appears to have attended Harrenhal all on his own, without any of his men, and had to be rescued by Lyanna from three squire minors. In general, I agree that we can likely find insights into the past in the current story, though I don't think we can assume that everything that happens to a character in the current story can be projected back onto a character in the past. In this thread, and in my thread about Catelyn's abduction of Tyrion, I have noted what I see as possible similarities between what occurs in the current story, and what might have possibly occurred in the past. But those similarities are not perfect parallels. In my other thread, I suggest that Catelyn's abduction of Tyrion might give us insight into Rhaegar's alleged abduction of Lyanna. But that doesn't mean Catelyn and Tyrion retraced Rhaegar's and Lyanna's path, or that the Lannister men that pursued where they thought Catelyn was going retraced Brandon's pursuit of where he thought Rhaegar had gone. In this thread, I suggest that King Robert's party, and the things that occurred with Arya and Sansa on their journey south from Winterfell, might give us insight into how Lyanna could have possibly been traveling with Rickard's party on its journey south from Winterfell, and yet have been far enough away from the main column of Rickard's two hundred best armed and loyal men for her to have been abducted. But that doesn't mean Arya and/or Sansa retraced Lyanna's path, or that what happened in 298 AC perfectly parallels what happened in 282 AC.
  7. Though we haven't had a direct statement or thought about Rhaegar from a Martell, GRRM definitely says in an SSM that the Martells did not support Rhaegar as strongly as they might have, in part because of anger at his treatment of Elia. https://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/The_Baratheon_Brothers/
  8. Barristan tells Daenerys that there are good things to be said of Aerys II, Jaehaerys II and his brother Duncan, Aegon V, and Rhaegar most of all. Perhaps more importantly, Barristan thinks to himself that Rhaegar would have been a finer king than any in at least the last 40 years (Robert I, Aerys II, Jaehaerys II). Whether or not Barristan thinks Rhaegar was the greatest thing since sliced bread, he clearly holds him in high regard, and is not simply blindly parroting Viserys's stories, or telling Daenerys what she wants to hear. As someone who was knighted by Aegon V forty-seven years ago, and named to the Kingsguard by Jaehaerys II around forty years ago, Barristan knows a thing or two about the last half a century of kings.
  9. @Feather Crystal I don't think there is any inherent problem with the duel occurring after the tourney. This is consistent with the information from Catelyn, who tells us that Brandon was twenty at the time of the duel, and the information from TWOIAF, which tells us that Brandon was born in 262 AC, and thus couldn't have turned twenty until 282 AC. I don't think there is any reason to believe that Brandon left Riverrun to go to Winterfell. Catelyn doesn't explicitly tell us what Brandon left Riverrun to do, but she does tell us that Brandon was already making his way back to Riverrun when he heard about Lyanna, and rode off to King's Landing instead. The App does tell us what Brandon left Riverrun to do, which is join up with Rickard's wedding party, coming down from the North. I'm not interesting in getting into a debate about the App. I'm obviously citing it in my theory. But there is no source placing Brandon outside the Riverlands after Harrenhal until his execution in King's Landing.
  10. @Maia It is possible that half a year or more passed between Harrenhal in late 281 AC and Lyanna's alleged abduction some time in 282 AC, but we don't have enough information to determine whether or not that is accurate. It's true that Elia's pregnancy has yet to be noted in recollections of her at Harrenhal, but we have enough details about her wedding and pregnancies to determine that she must have been well along in her pregnancy at Harrenhal. Elia and Rhaegar wed in 280 AC: Early in the year 279 AC, Rhaegar Targaryen, Prince of Dragonstone, was formally betrothed to Princess Elia Martell, the delicate young sister of Doran Martell, Prince of Dorne. They were wed the following year, in a lavish ceremony at the Great Sept of Baelor in King's Landing, but Aerys II did not attend. (TWOIAF: Aerys II) Rhaenys was born in what must have been late 280 AC: Nor did the birth of King Aerys's first grandchild, a girl named Rhaenys, born on Dragonstone in 280 AC, do aught to reconcile father and son. (TWOIAF: Aerys II) After the birth of Rhaenys in what must have been late 280 AC, Elia was bedridden for half a year, months into 281 AC: After the birth of Princess Rhaenys, her mother had been bedridden for half a year (ADWD: The Griffin Reborn) Rhaegar was present for Aegon's birth in what must have been the last days of 281 AC or first days of 282 AC: "Aegon," he said to a woman nursing a newborn babe in a great wooden bed. "What better name for a king?" "Will you make a song for him?" the woman asked. "He has a song," the man replied. "He is the prince that was promised, and his is the song of ice and fire." (ACOK: Daenerys II) Rhaegar had taken to the road with the coming of the new year in 282 AC: As cold winds hammered the city, King Aerys II turned to his pyromancers, charging them to drive the winter off with their magics. Huge green fires burned along the walls of the Red Keep for a moon's turn. Prince Rhaegar was not in the city to observe them, however. Nor could he be found in Dragonstone with Princess Elia and their young son, Aegon. With the coming of the new year, the crown prince had taken to the road with half a dozen of his closest friends and confidants, on a journey that would ultimately lead him back to the riverlands. (TWOIAF: The Year of the False Spring) That means Elia must have wed Rhaegar, conceived and given birth to Rhaenys, and conceived and given birth to Aegon within a span of approximately 24 months, approximately 6 months of which she was bedridden after the birth of Rhaenys and presumably before the conception of Aegon. Unless Aegon was conceived during the half a year that Elia was bedridden between late 280 AC and early 281 AC, and was born in mid 281 AC prior to Harrenhal, then Aegon seems to have been conceived a few months into 281 AC, and Elia seems to have been pregnant and soon to give birth to Aegon by Harrenhal in late 281 AC. So Elia's pregnancy is not useful in determining how much time passed between Harrenhal in late 281 AC and Lyanna's alleged abduction some time in 282 AC. I agree. I make no claim as to whether or not Lyanna would have enjoyed the same, less, or more freedom on a journey that nine year old Arya later did, though let's not forget that Ned and his girls are traveling in a party that includes the same Lannisters that Jon Arryn's wife has just accused of murdering him. But I think the depictions of nine year old Arya, and eleven year old betrothed Sansa, as part of King Robert's party as it journeys south from Winterfell, give us insights into how Lyanna's abduction could have conceivably occurred even if she had been traveling in a party that included her father Lord Rickard, and hundreds of armed men loyal to him. And if we take into consideration what we know about Lyanna, it's not difficult to see her taking opportunities to ride off from the main column, whether on her own, with someone close to her, or with a small group of guards or people close to her, whether or not she did so after asking or receiving permission to do so. When Lyanna was Arya's age, she was already practicing sword fighting with Benjen in secret using broken branches (ADWD: Bran III), much like Arya did with Mycah when they rode off from the main column of Robert's party, as they were doing when Joffrey and Sansa came upon them at the Ruby Ford, when Robert's party was encamped at the Inn at the Crossroads, and Robert and Ned were off hunting (AGOT: Sansa I). Lyanna was a remarkable horse rider, as noted by Harwin: "You ride like a northman, milady," Harwin said when he'd drawn them to a halt. "Your aunt was the same. Lady Lyanna. (ASOS: Arya III), Roose Bolton: Not even Lord Rickard's daughter could outrace him, and that one was half a horse herself. (ADWD: Reek III), and Barbrey Dustin: "Brandon was fostered at Barrowton with old Lord Dustin, the father of the one I'd later wed, but he spent most of his time riding the Rills. He loved to ride. His little sister took after him in that. A pair of centaurs, those two. (ADWD: The Turncloak) Lyanna had traveled to Harrenhal with her brothers just months before her abduction. On the first day of the Harrenhal Tourney, she "roar[ed]" and "howled" as she used a tourney sword to lay into and scatter three squires that had been picking on Howland Reed. Late on the afternoon of the second day of the Harrenhal Tourney, she was almost certainly the mystery knight that challenged and defeated the three knights those squires squired for in jousts, and ransomed their horses and armor back to them in return for them chastising their squires (ASOS: Bran II). The only thing that is clear is that Lyanna attended the Harrenhal Tourney in late 281 AC, and that she was in the Riverlands not ten leagues from Harrenhal when she was allegedly abducted some time in 282 AC. She may or may not have returned to the North after the tourney. And though I suggest she did return north, as I believe Benjen did before Rickard could come south, and as Bran's quote may or may not indicate Brandon did, it is not necessarily integral to the theory, which states that Lyanna, and Brandon, were traveling with Rickard's wedding party by the time Lyanna was allegedly abducted. I absolutely believe that Rickard would have been against Brandon and his four companions riding off to King's Landing on their own. But Rickard wouldn't necessarily have had the opportunity to prevent them, even if they were traveling in the same party of hundreds of people. We get a pretty good look of a large party making its journey from Winterfell to the south with Robert's party, and on that journey, a number of examples where groups of people, small or large, young and old, go off from the main column or camp on their own. When Robert's party is encamped in the barrowlands in the North, Robert wakes Ned up early in the morning, and they ride miles south of the main party. There Robert tells Ned that there had been a rider in the night from Varys informing him of Daenerys's wedding to Khal Drogo, and he first broaches the idea of sending a hired knife to assassinate her (AGOT: Eddard II). When Robert's party is encamped at the Inn at the Crossroads in the Riverlands,, Robert sends for Ned and they leave before dawn, to go hunting according to Septa Mordane. Sansa goes off on her own to find Arya, and finds her on her own on the banks of the Trident. Sansa and Arya are supposed to ride in the wheelhouse with Queen Cersei and Myrcella, but it is postponed after Renly, Barristan, etc. arrive to escort the party the rest of the way to King's Landing. Instead, Joffrey and Sansa spent they day off riding on their own, and they eventually come upon Arya and Mycah on their own, sword fighting using wooden sticks (AGOT: Sansa I). After everything that transpires when Nymeria attacks Joffrey, and everything that transpires after Arya is found after four days, and Lady is condemned to be executed in place of Nymeria, Ned and his household ride well ahead of the main column, to separate themselves from the Lannisters and the growing tension. By the the time Ned arrived in King's Landing, Robert might still be hours behind, and he still hasn't arrived even after Ned has finished his first meeting with the small council (AGOT: Eddard IV). Which is all to say that, a party of hundreds of people (Robert's was around four hundred by the time it reached the Inn at the Crossroads, Rickard's probably wasn't much smaller considering his best men alone numbered two hundred) is going to be pretty large, and if Lyanna, and eventually Brandon, were riding somewhere along that party, that doesn't mean that Rickard, Lyanna, and Brandon were all riding in each other's presence, or even in each other's sights, at all times.
  11. Bael's Bastard

    Aegon I and Dorne

    Four thousand people burning to death in one day is a shitload of people dying a horrific death, no matter how you slice it, and no matter how many more people than that Aegon and his sisters were capable of burning to death. Of course they were trying to make an example, so as to limit the number of deaths, and had no desire to burn all of Westeros to death. But let's not downplay how atrocious the Field of Fire was.
  12. @Feather Crystal This example is not possible. Aerys became king in 262 AC. Brandon was born in 262 AC. Harrenhal was in late 281 AC. Brandon was 20 when he dueled with Petyr. Brandon couldn't have turned 20 before 282 AC. Thus, Brandon would have been no older than 19 before, during, and after the Harrenhal Tourney in late 281 AC, and would have still been 19 at the coming of the new year 282 AC. Had Brandon been born in 261 AC, then he could have been 20 at the Harrenhal Tourney, and his duel with Petyr could have occurred as early as 281 AC, whether before or after Harrenhal. But since Brandon couldn't have turned 20 before 282 AC, his duel with Petyr at 20 could not have occurred before 282 AC, the next calendar year after the Year of the False Spring and the Harrenhal Tourney in late 281 AC. So Brandon's duel with Petyr, and all of the events between that and his execution, must have occurred after his twentieth name day, in 282 AC, in whichever month his name day was.
  13. That was Barristan's response to Viserys's claim that the only knight in the realm who was Rhaegar's peer was Arthur Dayne. Barristan has no trouble offering personal observations, insights, and opinions about Rhaegar to Daenerys, even ones that aren't entirely in line with the picture Viserys painted for Daenerys.
  14. Bael's Bastard

    Aegon I and Dorne

    The key component of Aegon's melting of Harrenhal was the Hoares inside at the time he did it. The Dornish abandoned their castles, and burning their castles wasn't going to stop them from continuing to oppose him.
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    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    So Jon is a product of incestuous necrophilia?
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