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  1. No, I am saying the Arab states TODAY ethnically cleansed nearly 1 million Jews from the Jewish communities that HAD existed in those lands for nearly 3,000 years. Nobody claimed Muslims existed 3,000 years ago or that any of these countries were Muslim or Arab until the second half of the 1st millennium CE.
  2. 3000 years is about how old those ancient communities are. But they were ethnically cleansed by Arab states after the Holocaust. Jews are an indigenous Canaanite people/culture as any scholar of the ancient Levant will tell you. You are confusing a legend with no evidence to documented contemporary history.
  3. There weren't, not sure what you're going on about. The point is that the Arab states completely ethnically cleansed those ancient Jewish communities in modern times.
  4. The ancient diasporas (originally created by Assyrian and Babylonian enslavement and transfer) that were all driven out in recent decades by Arab states, nearly 1 million that hadn't already been forced to convert, killed, or driven out in recent centuries, most of whom ended up back in Israel. Meaning Jews as an ethnic group are indigenous to the land of Israel/Palestine. That does not confer rights to displace or harm others, nor was displacement and harm to others a goal of Zionism and the establishment of Israel. Israel has done plenty of fucked up shit over the decades, but its attempts to genuinely make peace with Palestinian Arabs and the Arab states, and the costant rejection and vitriol in response, is well documented.
  5. Palestinians have grown from half a million a century ago to 13 million today. There is no goddamn genocide and the idea that any Israeli government has committed or is committing genocide against Palestinians in general or Gazans in particular is a lie. Projecting genocidal motives onto Israelis is fucking sick. If you guys are trying to drive comfortable diaspora Jews to Israel, keep it up. The hostility to us in the diaspora is insane, and it can't be blamed on Israel. You guys are letting your masks down just like the Trumpers did.
  6. Comparing Jews to Nazis is literal antisemitism. And yes, removing settlements of Jews from their indigenous homeland is ethnic cleansing, no matter how badly you wish to ignore that the reason there was no Jews for twenty years under Jordan is because they were all ethnically cleansed from the West Bank/Judah and Samaria, and the reason there were so few before they were ethnically cleansed is because of historic Muslim and Christian imperialism, colonialism, slavery, genocide, and ethnic cleansing against indigenous Jewish communities. I don't agree with Tywin's plan at all, but literally tens of millions of people were transferred between newly formed countries based on ethnic, religious, etc. at the same exact time. You can talk about Israeli ethnic cleansing all you want, but your inability to acknowledge the reality Jews have experienced in our indigenous land and our ancient MENA diasporas at the hands of both European and MENA imperialism and colonialism and using Nazi language to describe us, I don't know what you're trying to accomplish but it's certainly not peace between Arabs and Jews.
  7. Literally nobody in Israel wants Gaza. Most Israelis don't even want the West Bank. But there is zero chance of unilateral withdrawal after doing so from Gaza. Hence why a final status agreement on two states (at least) is and has always been the only answer to the conflict. Seriously, you guys could easily read a fucking book or two, but you seem to be getting your information from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion fabrication.
  8. You could have acknowledged you're not an expert and acted accordingly. Instead you accuse a country of genocide in a conflict that has probably claimed less than 150k lives on all sides in a century. Absolutely awful for all actually involved, but fucking far from genocide. Israel's Arab population has grown from 150k to nearly 2m since 1948, and they have full civil and religious rights. Israeli Arabs: 1.8m Jews in Hamas-ruled Gaza: 0 Jews in Fatah-ruled WB: 0 Jews in Arab states: <5,000, down from over 1m in 1939 Jews in European states: <1,300,000, down from 9.5m in 1939 Total Jewish population of the entirety of Europe, FSR, Middle East, and North Africa is less than 1.4m combined, down from over 10.5m in 1939 because of actual genocide as well as ethnic cleansing. There are literally more Arab citizens of Israel with full civil and religious rights than are left in Europe, Former Soviet Union, and our MENA diasporas combined. But keep ranting unhinged on a message board, I'm sure you'll help end the occupation by throwing ignorant genocide, apartheid, etc. accusations around against Jews.
  9. Because the map he posted erases Israel and its 6 million Jews, exactly the aim of Hamas, and the aim of Fatah until it paid lip service to peace before reverting back to refusing every peace offer.
  10. If you think antisemitism means "having something against a religion," than you are even more ignorant about the conflict in general and Jews in particular than you already appeared. The attempt to deny Jewish peoplehood and shove us into a religious box is a European and Russian innovation that was forced upon Jews within the last few centuries in the guise of giving us "rights." Like most ancient peoples, we have components to every walk of life including land and religion, but the idea of a "Jewish religion" distinct from peoplehood is a non-Jewish invention that has been forced on us and used against us. So if you want to spread hatred, you can try to hide behind religion, but we see you.
  11. The fact that you don't see the issue with someone posting maps that erase 6 million Jews from existence is, well, not surprising in the least based on your other posts on this topic. Should be needless to say that unless you are hoping to see one side wipe the other out, your input is just inciting hatred against one side.
  12. We are different ethnic groups, aside from religious and national differences. Atheism wouldn't dent the issue, just like atheism in Europe hasn't gotten rid of the Christian-based biases European societies still exhibit.
  13. You are confusing the areas Israel controls per Oslo with the main blocs Israel will almost certainly keep in any agreement. 70-75% of settlers are in the main blocs near Jerusalem. The rest are smaller more isolated ones, though in total make up tens of thousands of Jews. A map of Olmert's offer in 2008 and Barak's offer in 2000 would be more accurate as to how this might look.
  14. A viable Palestinian state can be created relatively dependent on a final status agreement. The issue is not and has never been settlements, the majority of which are located on about 5% of the WB around Jerusalem, and the rest which would have to be evacuated with Israel doing the hard and dirty work (in other words, the "ethnic cleansing" of tens of thousands of Jews from their indigenous homeland that so many outside players are so eager to see). The issue that always kills the talks is the demand of not just a Palestinian right of return of millions to Palestine (Gaza, WB), but a right of return of millions to Israel. In other words, not a two state solution, but a Palestinian majority Israel that can democratically dismantle it as a Jewish refuge and an ethnically pure Palestine next to it. We can go on about atrocious anecdotes we have experienced or have family and friends that have experienced, but that is all a result of refusal of one side to accept any deal before or after Oslo. Anyone that thinks one state is the answer ignores why there was a partition plan in the first place, and how nearly a million Jews, all except around 5k, were driven out of our nearly 3000 year old MENA diasporas by Arab Muslim governments. We cannot and do not and will not trust others to protect us ever again.
  15. Because Israel has a parliamentary system where you need at least 61 out of 120 seats. So Israelis elect parties and the party with most seats gets first chance to try to form a government. Likud won 30, 36, 32, 35, 30, 31, and 27 since 2009. Other parties led by Tzipi Livni and Benny Gantz technically received the most seats in some of those, but ultimately were unable to form coalitions to put a new PM in power in large part because of Yair Lapid alienating non-Zionist religious parties. It is getting increasingly more difficult for anyone, even Bibi, to form a majority coalition. Not sure if anything will change.
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