Sly Wren Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I watched it, just must've completely missed the reference.... Ah--then you are sane. People have been arguing the episode negates RLJ because it they think it undermines Jon's importance. Hopefully that was vague enough--can't remember how to do spoilers . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Ah--then you are sane. People have been arguing the episode negates RLJ because it they think it undermines Jon's importance. Hopefully that was vague enough--can't remember how to do spoilers . . . Ah. Huh. I didn't see how it undermined Jon's importance. I mean, it ended pretty much the same way as ADWD for Jon... "For the Watch..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Wren Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Ah. Huh. I didn't see how it undermined Jon's importance. I mean, it ended pretty much the same way as ADWD for Jon... "For the Watch..." Yup--exactly. Harrington also gave an interview--that plus the "For the watch"--speculation abounds re: Jon's centrality to the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Oh ohh-kaay... I didn't even realize that was a concern LOL. I heard there was an interview, but haven't had time to check it out. It would be pretty amazing if Jon's storyline was simply over. It would raise many possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMiddleHero Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Oh ohh-kaay... I didn't even realize that was a concern LOL. I heard there was an interview, but haven't had time to check it out. It would be pretty amazing if Jon's storyline was simply over. It would raise many possibilities. Would change and make things interesting for bit. That, or he just shrugs it all off. Gets ready the next day, drills new recuits in the yard and looks at them all and says "wtf are you all looking at?" Edit: No Mel involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Wren Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Would change and make things interesting for bit. That, or he just shrugs it all off. Gets ready the next day, drills new recuits in the yard and looks at them all and says "wtf are you all looking at?" Edit: No Mel involved. I, too would prefer to exclude Mel. But she is at the Wall--good chance I don't get my wish. Or, Jon's pincushion impression has proved fatal for good--and then things get very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sly Wren Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Quick question--have you all hashed out references between "Kubla Khan" and the novels? Particularly things said/done by Leaf and Bloodraven? I was skimming and couldn't find it, but don't want to make you all read excerpts (or have to scroll past excerpts whilst rolling your eyes) if you've already done this . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMiddleHero Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Quick question--have you all hashed out references between "Kubla Khan" and the novels? Particularly things said/done by Leaf and Bloodraven? I was skimming and couldn't find it, but don't want to make you all read excerpts (or have to scroll past excerpts whilst rolling your eyes) if you've already done this . . . Throw a few things out there to see and I'm sure if it seems logical or interesting enough people will be emplored to check it out further as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Would change and make things interesting for bit. That, or he just shrugs it all off. Gets ready the next day, drills new recuits in the yard and looks at them all and says "wtf are you all looking at?" Edit: No Mel involved. LOL Niiice. While Bowen Marsh can't seem to stop fiddling with his collar... I'm not a fan of Mel's involvement. Used to be. But I just don't like her. I think she will be, particularly now, with her hasty return to Castle Black on the show just in time for the For the Watch stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglor78 Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yes the articles with Kit & Weiss is the *new* information pertaining to heresy and most of the end game theories. These theories all seem in doubt now. For the record the mummers version certainly deviates BUT D&D have stated the end is the same and they will get to key moments from the last 2 books. This was explicitly outlined by Benioff at the Oxford forum before this season. I'm really struggling with the logic of keeping John dead in the mummers version while he's alive/reanimated in the books. That does not make sense. So I'm supposed to believe that all of the build up of his character through 5 books/seasons was just to reiterate that he made the same honor/political mistakes as Ned and is dead and done? This does not make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
addicted to snow Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Yes the articles with Kit & Weiss is the *new* information pertaining to heresy and most of the end game theories. These theories all seem in doubt now. For the record the mummers version certainly deviates BUT D&D have stated the end is the same and they will get to key moments from the last 2 books. This was explicitly outlined by Benioff at the Oxford forum before this season. I'm really struggling with the logic of keeping John dead in the mummers version while he's alive/reanimated in the books. That does not make sense. So I'm supposed to believe that all of the build up of his character through 5 books/seasons was just to reiterate that he made the same honor/political mistakes as Ned and is dead and done? This does not make sense. Jon Snow will not be reunited with his original body in TWoW... Probably not ever... Mel says Jon will be a Man, Wolf, then a Man again... Most readers expect that this return to mankind will be into his own body, but it will not be... Jon will become Ghost, then eventually take Hodor's Body, where he will more than likely remain, for the most part... Jon's body will be resurrected, but it will not be Jon Snow who is reborn into jon's old body... --- But the Show would have a difficult time depicting a '2nd life', wouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Crow Posted June 16, 2015 Author Share Posted June 16, 2015 Gods, that moved fast last night. Heresy 170 is now open for business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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