Lady Blackmont Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 It would be so lame if Jon is released from his vows in a loophole. I retain faith the GRRM is more creative than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calo760 Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Why do ppl think that Melisandre can actually resurrect ? I'm not so sure about this because she was also quite surprised when she witnessed for the first time that other Red Priest guy who had resurrected his brother. It seemed to me that she didn't know that resurrection was possible in the faith of Lord of the Light. And if she could resurrect someone, why wouldn't she resurrect Stannis in stead of Jon ? The look Melisandre's face in the finale, in my opinion, was a look of "holy shit, I was wrong this entire time?!?" and.. "Oh fuck, I need to get the hell away from Stannis!" She probably thinks Stannis is going to be really pissed, which he will be, when isn't he pissed? Now that he knows he burned his daughter alive for nothing he is going to want harsh repercussions for Mel, and she knows it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Friendzone Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 The look Melisandre's face in the finale, in my opinion, was a look of "holy shit, I was wrong this entire time?!?" and.. "Oh fuck, I need to get the hell away from Stannis!" She probably thinks Stannis is going to be really pissed, which he will be, when isn't he pissed? Now that he knows he burned his daughter alive for nothing he is going to want harsh repercussions for Mel, and she knows it. It's not so much about fear, but she really believed in him as AAR and all of that was a lie. Blinded by her faith. She's devasted( nice work by Carice) and I think she will question her faith...only to find her new hero. I'm looking forward to it, instead Mel getting naked ans trying to seduce someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eldric Storm Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Well that was how it was explained in the TV show, which is what we`re actually talking about here. Like I said, people should go back and rewatch the Brotherhood episodes in S2. Whatever was explained there is presumably what we must expect the show to work with. In isolation the resurrection of a relatively obscure priest in a cave was pretty meaningless after all. It has to lead up to something more significant for it to really matter enough to give it large parts of several episodes. Personally I think that something is Melisandre resurrecting Jon. I could be wrong of course, but that would make a lot of sense to me. Which makes me think that D&D don't know anything about how magic works in the world that they supposedly got great insight in by Martin himself. Personally if they don't bring Jon back they are pretty shitty story writers who know nothing about how to build good plot and think that killing characters left and right is how Martin does things which he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinn80 Posted June 27, 2015 Author Share Posted June 27, 2015 Which makes me think that D&D don't know anything about how magic works in the world that they supposedly got great insight in by Martin himself. Personally if they don't bring Jon back they are pretty shitty story writers who know nothing about how to build good plot and think that killing characters left and right is how Martin does things which he doesn't.Well, if GRRM brings Jon back in his next book, then they don't have another choice than to bring Jon back in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H'gahr Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 Well, if GRRM brings Jon back in his next book, then they don't have another choice than to bring Jon back in the series. same holds if he dies in the books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Blackmont Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 same holds if he dies in the books You still think so, do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H'gahr Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 No I don't actually but one cannot completely ignore this possibility. I think Jon is one main characters who will face the same ending in the books and in the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westerosundead Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I believe that Jon will find out the truth about his lineage (R+L) and might even go back to winterfell to look for some further proof in the ancient crypt once he knows who his mother was. Then he'll try to reach Dany and unite strengths with her. Because she is his blood family after all, if you think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo Kressh Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I believe that Jon will find out the truth about his lineage (R+L) and might even go back to winterfell to look for some further proof in the ancient crypt once he knows who his mother was. Then he'll try to reach Dany and unite strengths with her. Because she is his blood family after all, if you think about it. He needs to get rid of the Boltons first before he does this, and if the show is any indication, that's not happening anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigeon Pie Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I think those still loyal to Jon in the watch (especially those who were at Hardhome and saw what happened) are going to take care of the mutineers. Jon is probably going to be resurrected for more important things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Morghulis Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 You still think so, do you? I don't think he will die now in the books, but Ben and I both think he might not get to the end, he might sacrifice himself towards the end for the greater good or to save another which fits his noble, ego-less character. And that leaves the way open for D and D to kill him off now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H'gahr Posted June 27, 2015 Share Posted June 27, 2015 I don't think he will die now in the books, but Ben and I both think he might not get to the end, he might sacrifice himself towards the end for the greater good or to save another which fits his noble, ego-less character. And that leaves the way open for D and D to kill him off now. :agree: :crying: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rinn80 Posted June 28, 2015 Author Share Posted June 28, 2015 I believe that Jon will find out the truth about his lineage (R+L) and might even go back to winterfell to look for some further proof in the ancient crypt once he knows who his mother was. Then he'll try to reach Dany and unite strengths with her. Because she is his blood family after all, if you think about it.I think that someone will approach him and tell him about his parents, either Bran or someone who was there when he was born. He won't go and find it out by himself, since he has never done it till now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VenezuelanLord Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I don't think he will die now in the books, but Ben and I both think he might not get to the end, he might sacrifice himself towards the end for the greater good or to save another which fits his noble, ego-less character. And that leaves the way open for D and D to kill him off now.That would cripple his development, yes he may die before the end of the book, but i doubt he will die 'jon snow the bastard of winterfell', he has to be a changed person when his definitive death comes to get him, if they kill him off before fully developing that jon, then its plainly awfull storytelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H'gahr Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 I personally think so too. I have a hard time figuring out how his Death now could make sense in the story and be at par with the quality of the storytelling so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valhalla Morghulis Posted June 28, 2015 Share Posted June 28, 2015 Overall I do agree the books and show should conclude his backstory if it is indeed to be central to Jon's arc and transformation for GRRM and not a red or now obvious and boring herring, however just to play devil's advocate so we are all not just chanting he'll be back, because the show is looking for ways to shock and awe killing backstory-less Jon now is possible if D and D go that route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evita mgfs Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I read on the WWW that Kitt H. will not be in season 6, but he will RETURN in season 7. He has been cast in a movie. The scuttlebutt added that BRAN will be featured in Season 6, in Kitt's absence. This sounds like a decent option to me - and if the gossip is true, Bran and his magic may be resurrecting Jon - in the meantime, his body may be stored in ice cells until it can be transported to WF to rest in the crypts. Some articles blathered on to say that Bran will be doing the big reveals regarding Jon's parents - it is being bandied about that these secrets are slated to be revealed in S6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben H'gahr Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 I read on the WWW that Kitt H. will not be in season 6, but he will RETURN in season 7. He has been cast in a movie. The scuttlebutt added that BRAN will be featured in Season 6, in Kitt's absence. This sounds like a decent option to me - and if the gossip is true, Bran and his magic may be resurrecting Jon - in the meantime, his body may be stored in ice cells until it can be transported to WF to rest in the crypts. Some articles blathered on to say that Bran will be doing the big reveals regarding Jon's parents - it is being bandied about that these secrets are slated to be revealed in S6. As said previously, I don't think that they keep Mr Harrington out of 50% of the remaining episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evita mgfs Posted June 29, 2015 Share Posted June 29, 2015 As said previously, I don't think that they keep Mr Harrington out of 50% of the remaining episodes. In another thread, they linked to Kitt's interview - he kind of spills the beans and says he will be in a wolf in S6. Sorry to disappoint. I will try to find the link - I HATE NOT GIVING posters credit for their work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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