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Best place to discuss my future history of Westeros project?

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Hey everyone. I've had this pet project for the past few months, where I've been creating a history of Westeros from the years 308 (end of the wars for me) to 1300 (analogous to the end of our 21st century). No stories, just the setting in which stories could take place, with a rough timeline of all the historical events, list of future monarchs, territorial changes, wars etc.

Heavily inspired by real life history, it covers the late middle ages (300-600), early modern period (600-900), late modern/imperial period (900-1100), and contemporary era (1100-1300).

There are certain things I'd like to discuss about the lore with people who may be more familiar with the background history of ASOIAF, and real life history, to make my timeline as realistic/plausible as possible. Does this count as fanfiction, and therefore not allowed in this forum? If so no problem, I'd just like to know.

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10 hours ago, Adam Targaryen said:

OMG Are you Vologda Mapping on YouTube? :) 

Never heard of him, but I checked him out, and what he's doing is similar to what I want to do. Thanks for the suggestion!

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I would love to see your project, I´m really interested in filling out the blanks of the background, so to speak. Martin isn´t the only one that can come up with great ideas, though I would also love to see a project for many regions in Essos too, but I guess we must wait until the series is officially over to start filling out the blanks in regards to Asshai or Yi Ti. Perhaps you added some interaction between continents?


I´m really into the asoiaf world, but even though I know plenty about the lore, I imagine there will be better loremasters around this forum (especially when it comes to Targaryen dynasties, which I´m not that interested in).


Good luck with your project!

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I started something similar on my blog (HiddenhistoryofWesteros) if anyone wants to check it out.

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5 hours ago, anubis said:

Martin isn´t the only one that can come up with great ideas

But GRRM is the ONLY one that created Westeros, and he hates Fanatic Fiction. 

I do not believe this is the forum for this thread as this has nothing to do with his works of ASOIAF.

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You should consider how the events of ASOIAF will impact the population of Westeros. Aswell as potential political possibilities, and how those will impace culture and politics going foreward.

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On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 4:51 PM, _ghost_of_harrenhal_ said:

Can we see what you've been working on?

First thing I did was to correlate the years of Planetos to the years of our history, to have an idea of the technological level and historical developments for each century, so that I know which periods of our history to base each era of my timeline on.
I defined the end of Second War for the Dawn (308) as the year 1254, which is also the beginning of Daenerys' and Jon's co-rule. It marks the end of the High Middle Ages for Westeros, and the beginning of the Late Middle Ages, with the Early Modern Period beginning around 550-600. So I've settled on:

300: 1250
350: 1275
400: 1300
450: 1350
500: 1400
550: 1450
600: 1500
650: 1550
700: 1600
750: 1650
800: 1700
850: 1725
900: 1750
950: 1775
1000: 1800
1050: 1850
1100: 1900
1150: 1950
1200: 2000
1250: 2050
1300: 2100

To make the years work, in some centuries the cultural and technological development rate is halved. In 300-400 that is due to the damage caused by the war of five kings, long winter, second war for the dawn, the last long winter Planetos will ever experience, and rebellions and wars in the early decades of Dany and Jon's reign. Also a delayed Enlightenment in the years 800-1000.

For now I am still working on the list of monarchs of the restored Targaryen dynasty, from 300-600 (end of the Middle Ages). This "kinglist" is essential to me writing the timeline in detail, as I have to know where each reign begins and ends.
I am using an Excel table, with the columns being the name of the monarch, their year of birth, year of death, age upon coronation, age upon death, and length of reign. Through the use of formulas, all that information is auto-filled, being dependent on what I set as the reign lengths and years of birth (the only information I have to think about). 

I've been having a pretty hard time making the reign lengths and birth years such that I don't constantly have monarchs

a) Ascending to the throne aged 40-50 years old all the time
b) Dying at historically unrealistic old ages
c) Having their children/heirs at too old an age by pre-modern standards 

I haven't been able to figure it out yet, and I honestly don't understand how it worked in real life history, cause the math just doesn't add up. Daenerys having a long reign leads to her having a 55 year old son ascend the throne, and this just sends time ripples across the list which fucks everything up.
So, my next step is to create such tables for all the monarchs of England and France, as well as the Iron Throne monarchs from 1-298 AC, so that I can base my history's info on that.

Setting that aside, I've got a pretty good general idea of what "chapters of history" each era corresponds to: 

300-400: Golden Age of Queen Daenerys and King Aegon VI (Jon Snow), centralization begins as Hand of the King and Queen Tyrion Lannister reforms the royal government, and the Iron Throne begins to use "Great Councils", committees composed of all the great lords, septons, maesters and legal scholars of Westeros. These essentially become permanent by the end of D&J's grandson's (King Viserys III) reign.

400-550: Tensions rise between the Iron Throne and the Great Councils, culminating in a civil war which officially establishes the Westerosi Parliament.

550-750: Parliamentary era. The modern Kingdom of Westeros and Westerosi nationalism are established in this era.

750-770: As colonization increases the government's wealth, and creates a source of wealth for the crown not dependent on Parliament-approved taxes, a rapid growth of royal power occurs. The Parliamentary system breaks down. After a really tyrannical and incompetent king, a massive civil war causes once again the Targaryens to lose the throne and become exiled. Westeros becomes an oppressive and corrupt republic, a la Cromwell. Prince Aegon eventually takes the throne after years of living in exile, dissolves Parliament and declares absolute monarchy as King Aegon XII. 

770-950: Absolutist era. 

980: Westeros defeats the Kingdom of Braavos, biggest power in Essos, and establishes its supremacy as the dominant world power of Westeros-Essos. The Valyrian Empire is established.

1000-1100: The industrial age. Westeros' "imperial century". The Targaryens, holding the titles Kings of Westeros and Valyrian Emperors, rule an advanced, powerful and world-spanning Empire. 

1100: Similar trends to the early 20th century. Modernism begins to make monarchies ineffectual, liberalism and nationalism begins a slow and gradual dismemberment of the Valyrian Empire, and newly-emergent powers begin to chip away at the Targaryen empire's power and influence.

1130: World War 1. 

1160: World War 2. At its end, the beginning of the 100-year long Cold War between the Socialist Republic of Central Westeros and x country (haven't decided yet) and their allies and satellites.

1300: Targaryen restoration, end of historical account.

Basically, the history of Westeros roughly resembles England in the late middle ages, France in the early modern period, the British Empire in the late modern period, and then in the end Russia in its "20th century". And yes, this is a massive Targaryen wankfest ;)

Edited by Panos Targaryen

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