Titles of the Seven Kingdoms

[Craving Peaches]

16 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Even you put every man in the Iron Fleet to the sword it would only be a tenth as bad as what William did

Not just the men, but the women and the children.

[Alden Rothack]

That would be excessive

[Craving Peaches]

8 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

That would be excessive

But that's what Bill the Bastard did.

[Alden Rothack]

I know and it was unforgivable

[Craving Peaches]

36 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

I know and it was unforgivable

He is the reason why the North is still suffering today.

[Aldarion]

From titles to genocide in less than two pages... God I love this forum.

[Alden Rothack]

7 hours ago, Aldarion said:

From titles to genocide in less than two pages... God I love this forum.

lol, the term genocide may be a modern invention but the practice is not

[Corvo the Crow]

9 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:

Not just the men, but the women and the children.

Ironborn women too ugly to be kept as trophy wives? No wonder they turned to raiding. It provides both an oppurtunity to take a salt wife that is somewhat lookable and a reason to stay away from your obligatory rock wife for months or years on end. No wonder Euron fathered hairy half ape children from furries as even those can be considered beauties by ironborn standards.

As for children, we know they will be of no use as servants etc. considering how dumb Ironborn are as evidenced by Greyjoy family is except Asha who can be considered below average but not as dumb and perhaps Euron who is madder than dumbhair but not as dumb.

[Alden Rothack]

16 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Ironborn women too ugly to be kept as trophy wives? No wonder they turned to raiding. It provides both an oppurtunity to take a salt wife that is somewhat lookable and a reason to stay away from your obligatory rock wife for months or years on end. No wonder Euron fathered hairy half ape children from furries as even those can be considered beauties by ironborn standards.

As for children, we know they will be of no use as servants etc. considering how dumb Ironborn are as evidenced by Greyjoy family is except Asha who can be considered below average but not as dumb and perhaps Euron who is madder than dumbhair but not as dumb.

Theres like five ironborn who aren't mad, stupid or both

[Craving Peaches]

8 hours ago, Aldarion said:

From titles to genocide in less than two pages... God I love this forum.

It was more meant to be the Harrowing of the North rather than genocide (unless you want to count this as genocide) and why it would be bad to do a 'Harrowing of the Iron Islands' like some people want.

It's all William the Bastard's fault.

[Alden Rothack]

100-150,000 people out of less than two million in the whole country is a lot, those areas wouldn't see death like it again until the Black Death, I would like to see the Iron Islands conquered and assimilated into the North but wholesale slaughter on that scale is wrong no matter who your doing it to.

[Corvo the Crow]

1 hour ago, Alden Rothack said:

100-150,000 people out of less than two million in the whole country is a lot, those areas wouldn't see death like it again until the Black Death, I would like to see the Iron Islands conquered and assimilated into the North but wholesale slaughter on that scale is wrong no matter who your doing it to.

As long as the islands are inhabited, the populace won't be assimilated. Relocating population, whether forcibly or through incentives was a thing done by empires in our world (like Byzantines with different feoderati or later south slavs) and it's population being meager as it is, you may easily disperse it's population along the coastal regions of mainland to form fishing villages or even small towns with tradeports to help your economy but as long as there are mines on the Islands, this won't happen. Sure you can relocate the Ironborn and then move someone else there to keep the mines running but why bear the cost of those workers when there are dumb ironmen who like living on those bleak rocks?

[Alden Rothack]

40 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

As long as the islands are inhabited, the populace won't be assimilated. Relocating population, whether forcibly or through incentives was a thing done by empires in our world (like Byzantines with different feoderati or later south slavs) and it's population being meager as it is, you may easily disperse it's population along the coastal regions of mainland to form fishing villages or even small towns with tradeports to help your economy but as long as there are mines on the Islands, this won't happen. Sure you can relocate the Ironborn and then move someone else there to keep the mines running but why bear the cost of those workers when there are dumb ironmen who like living on those bleak rocks?

because the dumb ones aren't the ones who mine and sell the iron, in fact trade appears to drop whenever idiots like Balon are in charge because he keeps all the ships for the wars hes going to start then lose

they must have way too many people for those tiny rocks or they'd never be able to replace their losses after defeats like Fair Isle

[Corvo the Crow]

5 hours ago, Alden Rothack said:

they must have way too many people for those tiny rocks or they'd never be able to replace their losses after defeats like Fair Isle

They have just 400 or so ships and even then can't crew them properly, resorting to boys and this is very likely the richest guy since he has mines.

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Lord Goodbrother of Great Wyk had come in the night before with his main strength, near forty longships. His men were everywhere, conspicuous in their striped goat's hair sashes. It was said about the inn that Otter Gimpknee's whores were being fucked bowlegged by beardless boys in sashes. 

 

[Alden Rothack]

53 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

They have just 400 or so ships and even then can't crew them properly, resorting to boys and this is very likely the richest guy since he has mines.

 

Venice and Genoa combined managed 400 ships only because they spent literally tons of gold gaining a near monpoly of trade with the Byzantine empire, a polity not far off the population of the entire seven kingdoms

either most of their ships are tiny or those rocky little islands have the population density of modern ireland instead of the medieval one

[Craving Peaches]

15 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Byzantine empire, a polity not far off the population of the entire seven kingdoms

Really? Byzantium had close to 40 million inhabitants?

[Craving Peaches]

16 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

either most of their ships are tiny or those rocky little islands have the population density of modern ireland instead of the medieval one

There was a theory I read somewhere (can't recall where) that speculated the Iron Islands were actually overpopulated, which is why they raid and reave so much.

[Alden Rothack]

I agree they would have been pre-Aegon, the problem is they stay that way despite huge defeats to Aegon, Stannis and I believe others in between, honestly they should have been stopped being a problem after the kingdoms united, the Redwynes and Hightowers by themselves could have done or the North for someone further away but with a much close culture, I mean Asha thinks its possible for them to settle there just after invading it (the Danes of course did so in angle-and and the northmen in northern france did the same a few centuries later)

someone should colonized the west coast with an offer like we'll be the norths shield against the ironborn and others if you let us stay here and swear loyalty to you (basically the mountain clans crossed with the manderlys)

[Corvo the Crow]

21 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Venice and Genoa combined managed 400 ships only because they spent literally tons of gold gaining a near monpoly of trade with the Byzantine empire, a polity not far off the population of the entire seven kingdoms

Real world comparisons doesn’t maske sense since the books themselves literally make no sense. Redwyne Fleet and has 1000 ships counting the merchants alone. If I recall right East India company, at it’s height, had 200 ships, compare it  with Redwynes whose sole export is wine. Also yes, their ships are small with average longship having around 30 oars(a third the size of smaller war galleys which have 80-100)

[Aldarion]

32 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:

Venice and Genoa combined managed 400 ships only because they spent literally tons of gold gaining a near monpoly of trade with the Byzantine empire, a polity not far off the population of the entire seven kingdoms

either most of their ships are tiny or those rocky little islands have the population density of modern ireland instead of the medieval one

Keep in mind that "ship" and "ship" are not the same. Venice and Genoa used war galleys, you know, these things:

https://www.modelshipmaster.com/products/ancient/venetian/venetian (30).JPG

These were specialized warships, and were massive. Viking longships which the Ironborn use are not only very small and light compared to war galleys, but also double as trade ships. But you could literally throw dozens of longships against a single galley and they would be unable to do anything... galley's deck is simply too tall. Which is why cogs were actually superior to galleys until cannons started appearing:

https://fantasyview.wordpress.com/2019/08/21/war-at-sea-galley-vs-sailing-ship/