The single most unsung hero of the series: Mirri Maaz Duur

[Corvo the Crow]

9 hours ago, KingEuronGreyjoy said:

Yeah Daenerys has more in common with Stalin or Hitler than MMD

Totally agreed. She’s even making a revolution freeing all the slaves and giving them some power. She’s probably closest to a commie that an ASOIAF character can get.

[Evolett]

Mirri Maaz Dur does seem an unsung hero to me. I think her actions represent an important step to breaking part of the cycle of magic plaguing the planet. At ground level, her involvement creates new agency for Daenerys who will soon take on the evil of slavery. Whatever Mirri's motives were, she ultimately empowers Daenerys to hatch dragons and to become a leader. So she really did have a huge impact on the story and we can expect the domino-effect to continue up to a certain point in Dany's arc. 

[astarkchoice]

On 11/27/2022 at 11:46 PM, Corvo the Crow said:

Sheep hero is shit hero: blood magic is unacceptable, sorry. Also she is more comparable to a lone wolf attacker than dictator scum with power.

Its said she went to assahai to learn bloodmagic and shadowbinding but also dothraki herbs,.westeros maester medicine and moonsinger birthing songs as part of her study to take up her family trade of godswife ...which seems to be a healer/midwife role.

So it seems.she actualy spent most of her life bringing lives into the world and saving them...hence why striking out at 'genghis drogo ' and his equaly bloodthirsty wifes adorable dreams  of mass genocide, slavery and warfare on a huge scale seems to fit! 

[Corvo the Crow]

Just now, astarkchoice said:

Its said she went to assahai to learn bloodmagic and shadowbinding but also dothraki herbs,.westeros maester medicine and moonsinger birthing songs as part of her study to take up her family trade of godswife ...which seems to be a healer/midwife role.

So it seems.she actualy spent most of her life bringing lives into the world and saving them...hence why striking out at 'genghis drogo ' and his equaly bloodthirsty wifes adorable dreams  of mass genocide, slavery and warfare on a huge scale seems to fit! 

And she learned of bloodmagic how? By practicing on Drogo like individuals? I don’t think so. Even if it were the case there would be ethical problems but let’s not discuss that as planetosi isn’t that advanced. Mirri may not be as evil but she still is.

[astarkchoice]

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

And she learned of bloodmagic how? By practicing on Drogo like individuals? I don’t think so. Even if it were the case there would be ethical problems but let’s not discuss that as planetosi isn’t that advanced. Mirri may not be as evil but she still is.

She may have watched others practice , read about it or at worst practiced on a few people....that balanced out over a long lifetime of saving lives makes her at least a very light shade of grey!

 

That vs dany and drogos mountains of potential skulls is nothing

[Corvo the Crow]

18 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

She may have watched others practice , read about it or at worst practiced on a few people....that balanced out over a long lifetime of saving lives makes her at least a very light shade of grey!

 

That vs dany and drogos mountains of potential skulls is nothing

So does that mean Unit 731 and Mengele and other nazi scientists that experimented on humans actions balanced out because we have learned much about the human body due to these? Bombings Hiroshima and Nagasaki -not the act of bombing itself as it’s war but the fact the bombs used being nuclear-  as well since we have learned so much about the effects of radiation after these?

Should we start a 731 cult  worshipping atom bombs and revering Mengele as a holy saint? Mirri didn’t turn evil after her village was raided, she was evil to begin with and how does a village witch from a piss poor village even pay for all that travel expenses and “tuition fee” anyway? For all we know Mirri was there laying low, hiding from someone or was continuing her  foul work.

[astarkchoice]

30 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

So does that mean Unit 731 and Mengele and other nazi scientists that experimented on humans actions balanced out because we have learned much about the human body due to these? Bombings Hiroshima and Nagasaki -not the act of bombing itself as it’s war but the fact the bombs used being nuclear-  as well since we have learned so much about the effects of radiation after these?

Should we start a 731 cult  worshipping atom bombs and revering Mengele as a holy saint? Mirri didn’t turn evil after her village was raided, she was evil to begin with and how does a village witch from a piss poor village even pay for all that travel expenses and “tuition fee” anyway? For all we know Mirri was there laying low, hiding from someone or was continuing her  foul work.

Again we have 0 evidence she killed anyone to learn these extra spells etc , she went out into the world to become the best healer she could be...just as her mother was and for the bulk of her life we know she was both midwife and doctor to the lambmen!  so shes def  both saved and brought into the world countless lives and as far as we know only ended drago + drago jr

Why would she need a vast fortune to travel?  She already knows all thats edible in the woods and forrests and how to prepare it ! Besides even if she did need money  shed only need  the odd bit  of cash and shed easily get that  healing sick in whatever village or town she encounters ....even today doctors/midwifes and even fake witch doctors/hollositc snake oil salesmen and women  do ok for money !

 

Shes far east anyway and many of those healers/wizzards would gladly share info to learn the lazharren godswifes methods.....a 2 way learning street as we know it is was with the maester she met! 

Bottom line killing 2 people (one unquestionably evil the other an  innocent baby but will be reared a socioath in charge of an army ) to save 1000s or tens of thousands is always the right choice.

[Corvo the Crow]

18 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Again we have 0 evidence she killed anyone to learn these extra spells etc

So she just watched while these blood magics were performed? Fine by me, it is quite possible, but still doesn’t absolve her.

21 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

so shes def  both saved and brought into the world countless lives

Oh I quite agree! Say if there was going to be 5 dead mothers and 15 dead children without her intervention and she makes it 3 dead mothers and 10 dead children, it’s a great improvement even if she could’ve actually made 2 dead mothers and 7 children, the difference will be her “blood price” she takes.

 

28 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Why would she need a vast fortune to travel?  She already knows all thats edible in the woods and forrests and how to prepare it !

I’ll let go of the fact that she’ll cross steppes and deserts as well as she may also know edibles from those but does she also knowhow to defend herself from various threats she’ll encounter? Too bad she couldn’t use it with even a single Dothraki apart from Drogo who lowered his guard and the defenseless baby Rhaego. And what about fresh water? Does she carry on her person vast quantities of it? Or perhaps since ASOIAF took so many “inspirations” from Dune, she has Fremen… sorry, Lambmen stillsuit.

 

35 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Shes far east anyway and many of those healers/wizzards would gladly share info to learn the lazharren godswifes methods.....a 2 way learning street as we know it is was with the maester she met! 

Except that the knowledge she gained in return is no common knowledge but magic, and no ordinary magic but blood magic.

37 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Bottom line killing 2 people (one unquestionably evil the other an  innocent baby but will be reared a socioath in charge of an army ) to save 1000s or tens of thousands is always the right choice.

Bottom line, killing an evil person not necessarily make you a good hero, especially if you are evil yourself.  Mirri maz Duur, as a person, is far more evil than any Dothraki or ordinary feudal lord could ever hope to be. She may not have committed atrocities on an equal scale but her methods are far more evil. This is a bloodmage we are talking about for old gods and new and red rahloo’s sake! 

[astarkchoice]

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

So she just watched while these blood magics were performed? Fine by me, it is quite possible, but still doesn’t absolve her.

Oh I quite agree! Say if there was going to be 5 dead mothers and 15 dead children without her intervention and she makes it 3 dead mothers and 10 dead children, it’s a great improvement even if she could’ve actually made 2 dead mothers and 7 children, the difference will be her “blood price” she takes.

 

I’ll let go of the fact that she’ll cross steppes and deserts as well as she may also know edibles from those but does she also knowhow to defend herself from various threats she’ll encounter? Too bad she couldn’t use it with even a single Dothraki apart from Drogo who lowered his guard and the defenseless baby Rhaego. And what about fresh water? Does she carry on her person vast quantities of it? Or perhaps since ASOIAF took so many “inspirations” from Dune, she has Fremen… sorry, Lambmen stillsuit.

 

Except that the knowledge she gained in return is no common knowledge but magic, and no ordinary magic but blood magic.

Bottom line, killing an evil person not necessarily make you a good hero, especially if you are evil yourself.  Mirri maz Duur, as a person, is far more evil than any Dothraki or ordinary feudal lord could ever hope to be. She may not have committed atrocities on an equal scale but her methods are far more evil. This is a bloodmage we are talking about for old gods and new and red rahloo’s sake! 

Blood magic has existed since the old valyrn times and before she may have learned from scrolls or being told not nrcessarily from performing or watching. Even then we have 0 proof she has used any of it ...we know instead shes spent her life saving others

 

People travel the world all the time despite the risks OR she may have  attached herself to the likes of a friendly khal(to learn the dothraki herbs) or the jogos nhai(which we know she did)  or a sellsword company or a land/sea convoy protected by sellswords heading to asshai.

And in return she traded the herb, song, spell , ritual knowledge of her lamb people which any collector of rare lore would welcome. 

 

Her methods ? We have 0 proof shes ever used blood.magic in all.her years curing til now. Also even if she was using it every other day itd still be  less death than most khals meet out and thats before we factor in the countless thousands shes saved and brought into the world

 

[Springwatch]

40 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Blood magic has existed since the old valyrn times and before she may have learned from scrolls or being told not nrcessarily from performing or watching. Even then we have 0 proof she has used any of it ...we know instead shes spent her life saving others

Exactly. And not all blood magic involves death or serious harm - e.g. Mel's leeches, and Maggy's drop of blood. (Ooh, Mel, Maggy and Mirri - grrm likes his 'm's here.)

(ETA and Marwyn the Mage. M's a good start for a magician's name.)

[Corvo the Crow]

35 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Blood magic has existed since the old valyrn times and before she may have learned from scrolls or being told not nrcessarily from performing or watching. Even then we have 0 proof she has used any of it ...we know instead shes spent her life saving others

She learned from scrolls, has never performed or seen it performed and yet knows said scrolls aren’t garbage and her blood magic will work? Not buying it, sorry.

 

35 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

People travel the world all the time despite the risks OR she may have  attached herself to the likes of a friendly khal(to learn the dothraki herbs) or the jogos nhai(which we know she did)  or a sellsword company or a land/sea convoy protected by sellswords heading to asshai.

And in return she traded the herb, song, spell , ritual knowledge of her lamb people which any collector of rare lore would welcome. 

This may help her get as far as Asshai, how will she pay for her tuition there where even the water has to be brought from outside? Do you think that her garbage  knowlede from primitive sheepmen land is worth anything in a place such as Asshai, so old and teeming with knowledge even the forbidden kind? And again, knowledge she acquires is no common knowledge, it is magic and the forbidden kind at that.

 

35 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Her methods ? We have 0 proof shes ever used blood.magic in all.her years curing til now.

And yet she was quite successful for someone who has never used or even saw it being used.

 

35 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Also even if she was using it every other day itd still be  less death than most khals meet out and thats before we factor in the countless thousands shes saved and brought into the world

Thousands? Gods! How many people even live in her backwaters village or has she  been using that knowledge to extend her lifespan to reach such a number of people? As I said, it is not the scale, it is her methods that make her a far worse evil and had she been in a position of power you can bet your medicinal longbottom leaf that she would have comitted atrocities in an equal scale. For all we know she could be the Planetosi equivalent of a nazi scientist that escaped to South America.

[Springwatch]

36 minutes ago, Corvo the Crow said:

And yet she was quite successful for someone who has never used or even saw it being used.

Thoros was surprisingly successful at raising the dead for someone who'd never done it before or seen it done.

[Corvo the Crow]

38 minutes ago, Springwatch said:

Thoros was surprisingly successful at raising the dead for someone who'd never done it before or seen it done.

Not a good comparison since his intentions was not to raise the dead, as for having never seen it, Thoros had seen that ritual hundreds perhaps thousands of times. Mirri performed blood magic, knowning that it was blood magic Thoros performed last rites, whatever it's name was, thinking of it just as last rites as he had seen it many times and it had always been that in all those times. Sorry but even the Lord's Kiss Jon gave to Ygritte would be a better comparison, at least Jon intended what he intended.

[astarkchoice]

7 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

She learned from scrolls, has never performed or seen it performed and yet knows said scrolls aren’t garbage and her blood magic will work? Not buying it, sorry.

 

This may help her get as far as Asshai, how will she pay for her tuition there where even the water has to be brought from outside? Do you think that her garbage  knowlede from primitive sheepmen land is worth anything in a place such as Asshai, so old and teeming with knowledge even the forbidden kind? And again, knowledge she acquires is no common knowledge, it is magic and the forbidden kind at that.

 

And yet she was quite successful for someone who has never used or even saw it being used.

 

Thousands? Gods! How many people even live in her backwaters village or has she  been using that knowledge to extend her lifespan to reach such a number of people? As I said, it is not the scale, it is her methods that make her a far worse evil and had she been in a position of power you can bet your medicinal longbottom leaf that she would have comitted atrocities in an equal scale. For all we know she could be the Planetosi equivalent of a nazi scientist that escaped to South America.

Or seen it performed

 

Why wouldnt her knowledge be worth anything ? Its a form of knowledge and at worst it will confirm things they already know or suspect plus shes learned things  from dothraki, maesters and the jogos nhai too!

 

and no theres no limits to magic use etc in asshai so its not forbidden knowledge.

The maester probably never saw a glass.candle work, thoros never resurected someone before etc etc but they did. You can do something from instructions never having performed it yourself 

 

Her area is large enough for khalassars numbering tens of thousands to raid , someone with genuine healing skills will be in demand for miles around in villages and towns

 

Finaly your making wild.assumtions, theres 0 evidence shes ever killed anyone or commitied attrocities til she meets dany , you might as well say shes also been the 1st sword of bravos  , the emperor or yi ti or even personaly built hightower!!! The only thing we know shes done for sure for decades is heal and be  a midwife!

[Corvo the Crow]

38 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Why wouldnt her knowledge be worth anything ? Its a form of knowledge and at worst it will confirm things they already know or suspect plus shes learned things  from dothraki, maesters and the jogos nhai too!

 

I've already explained it but a more elaborate answer, beause her knowledge from the primitive sheep people would already be in the knowledge bases of Asshai that is thousands of years old and where many people from every corner of Planetosi gather. Ask yourself this, how much progress has the Westerosi made in the past hundred years? How much in the past thousand? Westerosi are of a far more and advanced civilization than the sheepish lamb men and even they are stagnating. These people, the Westerosi, have founded the first university in the entire planetos, or at least known planetos, several thousand years ago and still haven't progressed much and you claim somehow sheep knowledge of Mirri will be important in Asshai because they wouldn't already be in possession of it for milennia now?

38 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

and no theres no limits to magic use etc in asshai so its not forbidden knowledge.

 

Forbidden in most places. Not being forbidden in Asshai doesn't devalue it because it is still the only place you can openly get it and not many people, compared to other knowledge, would have that knowledge even though they can practice it openly and even if someone comes and says "hey I'll teach blood magic for free because I'm charitable" the materials required will still be costly. 

 

38 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

The maester probably never saw a glass.candle work, thoros never resurected someone before etc etc but they did. You can do something from instructions never having performed it yourself 

 

I've already told Thoros is a completely irrelevant situtation above and why. Thoros didn't want to raise Beric from dead, Thoros just repeated a ritual that he has seen perhaps thousands of times and not once have these rituals resulted in the dead resurrecting nor were the purpose of them is to resurrect the dead, even if it was originally so, this purpose has long been forgotten and it became just a last rite.

 

38 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

Her area is large enough for khalassars numbering tens of thousands to raid , someone with genuine healing skills will be in demand for miles around in villages and towns

 

So is she the only healer for miles around? I doubt it. Not that it matters anyway as even today in remote places you may have a hard time to reach a doctor, I highly doubt that pregnant women from miles around are carried to her to give birth, simply impossible. But I completely agree on one thing that she's one of a kind of in miles, perhaps hundreds of miles around, a blood mage. 

38 minutes ago, astarkchoice said:

The only thing we know shes done for sure for decades is heal and be  a midwife!

That and also learn blood magic in Asshai. Tell me please, why did she learn of this blood magic in the first place? What healing and midwifery purposes she had in her mind when learning of it? Or do you suggest that she didn't practice blood magic, nor did she learn it in Asshai but the knowledge came to her as a revelation? Did the peace loving sheep god sprang from bushed or clouds or wherever and imparted that knowledge to her so she can kill evil incarnate Drogo and Rhaego? 

Mirri Maz Duur is a blood mage. For what reason does someone even want to learn such knowledge? Surely not to improve their midwifery and healing skills as blood magic seems to be quite opposite to them, considering it won't be animal sacrifice that she'll be making since it is useless as we've already found out through Drogo. So what will she do with that knowledge, will she use it in husbandry? What will she do, sacrifice sheep to heal sheep? Not very productive, don't you think?

[Springwatch]

15 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

Not a good comparison since his intentions was not to raise the dead, as for having never seen it, Thoros had seen that ritual hundreds perhaps thousands of times. Mirri performed blood magic, knowning that it was blood magic Thoros performed last rites, whatever it's name was, thinking of it just as last rites as he had seen it many times and it had always been that in all those times. Sorry but even the Lord's Kiss Jon gave to Ygritte would be a better comparison, at least Jon intended what he intended.

My point was that mighty feats of magic don't necessarily need a huge amount of expertise to perform.

[Corvo the Crow]

6 minutes ago, Springwatch said:

My point was that mighty feats of magic don't necessarily need a huge amount of expertise to perform.

That mighty feat of magic was unintentional, completely different than Mirri’s case, and has been practiced(or at least seen) thousands of times, which is again, not the case with Mirri… Well, I think it actually is, but the argument made is that she’s never performed, nor even saw it performed.

[astarkchoice]

15 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

I've already explained it but a more elaborate answer, beause her knowledge from the primitive sheep people would already be in the knowledge bases of Asshai that is thousands of years old and where many people from every corner of Planetosi gather. Ask yourself this, how much progress has the Westerosi made in the past hundred years? How much in the past thousand? Westerosi are of a far more and advanced civilization than the sheepish lamb men and even they are stagnating. These people, the Westerosi, have founded the first university in the entire planetos, or at least known planetos, several thousand years ago and still haven't progressed much and you claim somehow sheep knowledge of Mirri will be important in Asshai because they wouldn't already be in possession of it for milennia now?

Forbidden in most places. Not being forbidden in Asshai doesn't devalue it because it is still the only place you can openly get it and not many people, compared to other knowledge, would have that knowledge even though they can practice it openly and even if someone comes and says "hey I'll teach blood magic for free because I'm charitable" the materials required will still be costly. 

 

I've already told Thoros is a completely irrelevant situtation above and why. Thoros didn't want to raise Beric from dead, Thoros just repeated a ritual that he has seen perhaps thousands of times and not once have these rituals resulted in the dead resurrecting nor were the purpose of them is to resurrect the dead, even if it was originally so, this purpose has long been forgotten and it became just a last rite.

 

So is she the only healer for miles around? I doubt it. Not that it matters anyway as even today in remote places you may have a hard time to reach a doctor, I highly doubt that pregnant women from miles around are carried to her to give birth, simply impossible. But I completely agree on one thing that she's one of a kind of in miles, perhaps hundreds of miles around, a blood mage. 

That and also learn blood magic in Asshai. Tell me please, why did she learn of this blood magic in the first place? What healing and midwifery purposes she had in her mind when learning of it? Or do you suggest that she didn't practice blood magic, nor did she learn it in Asshai but the knowledge came to her as a revelation? Did the peace loving sheep god sprang from bushed or clouds or wherever and imparted that knowledge to her so she can kill evil incarnate Drogo and Rhaego? 

Mirri Maz Duur is a blood mage. For what reason does someone even want to learn such knowledge? Surely not to improve their midwifery and healing skills as blood magic seems to be quite opposite to them, considering it won't be animal sacrifice that she'll be making since it is useless as we've already found out through Drogo. So what will she do with that knowledge, will she use it in husbandry? What will she do, sacrifice sheep to heal sheep? Not very productive, don't you think?

Knowledge of potions and magic will vary around the globe, maesters for example will know little of actual magic and more of science. Theres 0 evidence the shadowmages and fire + blood mages of asshai know the spells/rituals or potions of others 

 

Again they will share knowledge as shes studied under maesters,jogo nhai,dothraki and her own people

 

She may be one of a few healers for miles around but even a single village of a few thousand for decades shel have saved many lives ,let alone multiple villages. We also know she has rare knowledge.

 

She learned from various cultures not just the bloodmages , to understand magics, potions and rituals. You probably cant fight evil magic unless you understand it  

 

By that logic shes also a traniee maester, dothraki healer, jogos nhai moonsinger too.....what we do know for a fact  is for decades shes been a healer and midwife to a peaceful people and the only people sge ever used tge dark arts she learned was on essos awnswer to attila and his future genocidal spawn...anything  else is daft specualation

[Corvo the Crow]

 

 

 

1 hour ago, astarkchoice said:

Knowledge of potions and magic will vary around the globe, maesters for example will know little of actual magic and more of science. Theres 0 evidence the shadowmages and fire + blood mages of asshai know the spells/rituals or potions of others 

 

Again, this is a world that had it's first university built several thousand years ago and yet has made very little progress. Any knowledge lambmen may have, Asshai would have got that lamben knowledge hundreds of years ago because some lambmen would've come to Asshai and brought that knowledge throughout the time Asshai has existed. It need not to be willingly either and in fact as a slave is more likely since they apparently make good slaves. Any faction, people, region etc. you can bring up would be the same except for the slave part so whatever "great wisdom" you think Mirri had, Asshai most likely had that knowledge for hundreds of years.

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Despite its forbidding aspects, Asshai-by-the-Shadow has for many centuries been a thriving port, where ships from all over the known world come to trade, crossing vast and stormy seas. Most arrive laden with foodstuffs and wine, for beyond the walls of Asshai little grows save ghost grass, whose glassy, glowing stalks are inedible. If not for the food brought in from across the sea, the Asshai'i would have starved.

The ships bring casks of freshwater too. The waters of the Ash glisten black beneath the noonday sun and glimmer with a pale green phosphorescence by night, and such fish as swim in the river are blind and twisted, so deformed and hideous to look upon that only fools and shadowbinders will eat of their flesh.

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Every land beneath the sun has need of fruits and grains and vegetables, so one might ask why any mariner would sail to the ends of the earth when he might more easily sell his cargo to markets closer to home. The answer is gold. Beyond the walls of Asshai, food is scarce, but gold and gems are common...though some will say that the gold of the Shadow Lands is as unhealthy in its own way as the fruits that grow there.

The ships come nonetheless. For gold, for gems, and for other treasures, for certain things spoken of only in whispers, things that cannot be found anywhere upon the earth save in the black bazaars of Asshai.

The dark city by the Shadow is a city steeped in sorcery. Warlocks, wizards, alchemists, moonsingers, red priests, black alchemists, necromancers, aeromancers, pyromancers, bloodmages, torturers, inquisitors, poisoners, godswives, night-walkers, shapechangers, worshippers of the Black Goat and the Pale Child and the Lion of Night, all find welcome in Asshai-by-the-Shadow, where nothing is forbidden. Here they are free to practice their spells without restraint or censure, conduct their obscene rites, and fornicate with demons if that is their desire.

 

This is Asshai, it only attracts people because they can perform hideous acts that are forbidden elsewhere. Also you can bet that food and water will be expensive as well, not something a simple midwife from pisspoor lambmen land with little knowledge that can be of benefit to anyone in Asshai. How do you suggest she paid for her tuition, food and even water with her knowledge being obviously useless? Accomodations would be cheap if not outright free since Asshai is very large with very little population but all the rest are expensive stuff. She had to made herself useful somehow, question is how. With her knowledge of bloodmagic and willingness to use it, she probably became an apprentice to a blood mage, partaking in their abhorrent acts.

1 hour ago, astarkchoice said:

She may be one of a few healers for miles around but even a single village of a few thousand for decades shel have saved many lives ,let alone multiple villages. We also know she has rare knowledge.

 

Oh yes she does have rare knowledge, it is called blood magic.

1 hour ago, astarkchoice said:

She learned from various cultures not just the bloodmages , to understand magics, potions and rituals. You probably cant fight evil magic unless you understand it  

 

Sorry, does learning from various cultures wipe out the fact that she is a bloodmage? She is a very knowledgable bloodmage who has an interest of learning from various cultures, congrats to her! Still a bloodmage.

1 hour ago, astarkchoice said:

By that logic shes also a traniee maester, dothraki healer, jogos nhai moonsinger too.....what we do know for a fact  is for decades shes been a healer and midwife to a peaceful people and the only people sge ever used tge dark arts she learned was on essos awnswer to attila and his future genocidal spawn...anything  else is daft specualation

For decades she hid among the lambmen like a nazi war criminal who escaped through ratlines would hide in South American german communities.

[astarkchoice]

1 hour ago, Corvo the Crow said:

 

 

 

Again, this is a world that had it's first university built several thousand years ago and yet has made very little progress. Any knowledge lambmen may have, Asshai would have got that lamben knowledge hundreds of years ago because some lambmen would've come to Asshai and brought that knowledge throughout the time Asshai has existed. It need not to be willingly either and in fact as a slave is more likely since they apparently make good slaves. Any faction, people, region etc. you can bring up would be the same except for the slave part so whatever "great wisdom" you think Mirri had, Asshai most likely had that knowledge for hundreds of years.

This is Asshai, it only attracts people because they can perform hideous acts that are forbidden elsewhere. Also you can bet that food and water will be expensive as well, not something a simple midwife from pisspoor lambmen land with little knowledge that can be of benefit to anyone in Asshai. How do you suggest she paid for her tuition, food and even water with her knowledge being obviously useless? Accomodations would be cheap if not outright free since Asshai is very large with very little population but all the rest are expensive stuff. She had to made herself useful somehow, question is how. With her knowledge of bloodmagic and willingness to use it, she probably became an apprentice to a blood mage, partaking in their abhorrent acts.

Oh yes she does have rare knowledge, it is called blood magic.

Sorry, does learning from various cultures wipe out the fact that she is a bloodmage? She is a very knowledgable bloodmage who has an interest of learning from various cultures, congrats to her! Still a bloodmage.

For decades she hid among the lambmen like a nazi war criminal who escaped through ratlines would hide in South American german communities.

Nope if all knowledge was gathered 7k years ago theres no reason maesters would want to learn from lambmen or warlocks or asshai shadowmages from the same etc.

 

Nope asshai trades and has visitors  like normal cities man,like any other city  people who sell.apples or can unplug toilets are just as welcome as though who know dark magic

 

Theyd want her knowledge as much as shed want theirs (bear in mind even modern scientests are always looking into backward tribes herbs and cures for new medicines etc) plus she may have already picked up  her dothraki medical kniwledge, moonsinger spells and maester knowledge on top of the lambmens knowledge before asshai thus has a wealth to share.

 

Soooooo  what? at most she studied bloodmage stuff for a while and has spent her life saving lives

 

Why the f would she be hiding? She hasnt commited any warcrimes nor is bloodmagic even outlawed, more looked down on ...hell the biggest religion we know of in planetos (fire worship) seems to be ok with  human sacrifices!