Jon Targaryen Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 GRRM has said the basic story of Joffrey's murder is resolved so Errant Bard's first paragraph is essentially it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shewoman Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 By the way, I seem to recall that a year or two ago somebody posted an image of blue roses from a gardening catalog. Anybody else recall that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angalin Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 That was probably me; I admit to a recurring obsession with the subject (see my post earlier in this thread ). Here are the current links: biologynews and Wikipedia. As GRRM can dictate genetic workings, there probably can be naturally-occurring blue roses in Westeros, but they still wouldn't look like hybrid teas! No such flower in the medieval period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guad Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Some flowers can turn blue when there is too much iron in the earth. I've seen it in my parents garden (hmm, hinthint? ironborn? :rotfl: /kidding) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shewoman Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Thanks, Angalin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automne Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Do we know where Rhaegar was buried? Jon's obsessive dream about the crypt makes me wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-law Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Do we know where Rhaegar was buried? Jon's obsessive dream about the crypt makes me wonder. Targaryens are usually burnt, not buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automne Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Targaryens are usually burnt, not buried. Do we know if that was what happened in the case of Rhaegar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Do we know where Rhaegar was buried? Jon's obsessive dream about the crypt makes me wonder. You're wondering if Rhaegar was buried underneath Winterfell? That seems unlikely, and not just for the reason that OiL cites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the silent speaker Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I think if Rhaegar's body was attended to by people who didn't take the trouble to burn him, they wouldn't be bothered to bury him, either. Loyalists would have probably burned him and rebels or people not wanting to risk antagonizing the winners would have left him for the crows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-law Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Loyalists would have probably burned him and rebels or people not wanting to risk antagonizing the winners would have left him for the crows. I think that last part is backwards. Rather, people not wanting to antagonise the losers would wish to burn him. Sensible men, like Jon Arryn and Hoster Tully (who would convince Robert) would seek to reunite the realm by such conciliatory gestures to the vanquished. Would Barristan Selmy have willingly joined with men who left his prince to be picked at by crows and wild dogs? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the silent speaker Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Fine, but then we're back to burning. Either way it is most unlikely he was buried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automne Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 You're wondering if Rhaegar was buried underneath Winterfell? That seems unlikely, and not just for the reason that OiL cites. Yes very unlikely. Only Jon's recurrent dreams about the crypt made me wonder about Rhaegar's grave/funeral pyre. There's an interesting thread about Jon's dreams http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?showtopic=26573 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecudan Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I have a small question for the experts. I am a lurker on this board. Throughout the books the Faceless men are known as the world's best assassins. And that is pretty much all that is said of them. Then in Feast, Arya finds herself with them. Now after my first reading I had never visited this board. I didn't really see Arya as bunking with a bunch of assassins. To me it seemed like a secretive religious sect. So over time I used them to think about the overall religious questions of the books, what is their goal, how do they fit into the whole story, etc. I guess my question is, should I think of the group she is with like a bunch of assassins, or as a unique group that isn't just killing who it is paid to kill, but has its own motives that tie in to the larger story line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBean Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 I have a question that has probably been brought up before: I don't remember when it was, but I think it was after Winterfell Burnt and Bran was in a Wolf Dream. Summer looked up in the sky and saw something flying North that sounded like a Dragon. What was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Targaryen Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 Some think it is a real dragon released from underneath Winterfell. Some think it is a symbol for Bran's future. And some think it is some other thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-law Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I think it's just a column of smoke and a belch of flame from the fire, rendered a little poetically by Summer's 'wolf-vision' POV. The wolves don't think in normal human vocabulary, so they use "hardskin" for armor, and things like that. I think it's mostly that, and a little bit of red herring for the readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anya, Vengeance Demon Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Given how reports of Dany's dragons made their way (even in garbled form) to Westeros and the Free Cities after a while, I think it's safe to say that were there a Winterfell dragon as well, we would have heard about it. The ironborn who came from the North would have seen it, or heard the northerners talking about it. Reports would reach White Harbor, and from there to southron ports (not to mention Eastwatch, from where the news would spread to the other brothers of the Night's Watch). Maybe reports would have been sent to Robb or his bannermen. SPOILER: ADWDAsha hasn't heard anything by the time of her spoiler chapter, which can be dated to after "The Reaver" and possibly as much as a year after the last Bran chapter in A Clash of Kings. The fact that we haven't heard any rumors about dragons in the north, even garbled ones, after months of story time has passed, tells me that there was no dragon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoë Sumra Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 I've wondered if it were a symbolic dragon - a hint that Bran will ride or warg a dragon in the future and thus be instrumental in the eventual return of dragons to the north to fight the Others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wizard Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 There is one part where Dany was thinking about the dragons and there must be a rider for each. But Bran as a dragon-rider? Dany hates the Starks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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