The Man Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Methinks that'd be too complicated; it's unlikely that anyone would search for it. I'm thinking of titling it Tairy Goodkind and putting redirects in from Terry Goodkind and Sword of Truth, but I want to wait to see if anyone has anything better to replace his last name with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pita Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Tairy Gonemind. 'nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Un-Yearded Pita' post='1298678' date='Apr 3 2008, 00.48']Tairy Gonemind. 'nuff said.[/quote] I still love that one. My original avatar for this site was a fake book cover entitled Moral Fetishist by Tairy Gonemind. Triskele, I can't take credit for it. I know Moose has used those names for quite some time and it just sorta made sense. I don't know who might have started it. "Richard' was never called Dick in the books, and Kahlan was never named Klan, but with the moral superiority, it just works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanatic-Templar Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I think we started calling him 'Dick' when we realised he had a relative called 'Panis'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pita Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I know, that's where I got the idea. Also, your signature reminds me of another shitty book. The Second Generation of dragonlance. brrr... I think Myshkin started it. But then again, I think Myshkin started everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosicus Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='respectabull' post='1298049' date='Apr 2 2008, 17.47']I believe that IO horde wasn't from the Old World. I think it was explained that Jagang was infiltrating peoples minds and spreading his religion/war. If you remember, the horde wasn't that big... it was just a surprise attack. Im sure there were enough magic haters then to be able to comprise this army. I may be completely wrong... maybe my mind made up false memories to fill in the holes that Tairy couldn't connect...[/quote] The barriers between the Old and New World allow some people through. Wizards and such get to go through twice, I think. Unless they're too powerful, then they draw nasty stuff down on them. Mostly illusions it seems. The barrier was apparently made to keep dreamwalkers from crossing. Hooray for the old wizards, they put up a wall to keep dreamwalkers penned up in what turns out to be most of the world (the New World being much much smaller than the old). I'm not sure if the barrier had any effect at all on regular folks. Presumably Jagang just did exactly as Darkie Rahl did. Sent some missionaries into the midlands to preach against magic (which makes a bit more sense than rallying the mob against fire) and stir up trouble, get some guys together, sack a city. I think the gang that sacked Ebissinia was about fifty thousand, making all the more heroic how Klan and 5000 raw and naked recruits kicked their asses. It's just a lucky thing that D'Harans (who made up most of that IO army) were terrified of ghosts. Especially ghosts with boners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghkitten Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 respectabull and Moosicus, thanks for allaying my frustration. I think I was giving Goodkind (surprisingly) too little credit in this case...my prior theory was that he intended the IO as a one-shot foe in SoT, realized at the end that he couldn't stretch the Darken Rahl storyline any further, and retconned them as a new and improved antagonistic force in BotF (just like he further repurposed them and Jagang as the Evil Commie Army in FotF). It's refreshing to know that there is some sort of continuity. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='pghkitten' post='1299068' date='Apr 3 2008, 08.42']respectabull and Moosicus, thanks for allaying my frustration. I think I was giving Goodkind (surprisingly) too little credit in this case...my prior theory was that he intended the IO as a one-shot foe in SoT, realized at the end that he couldn't stretch the Darken Rahl storyline any further, and retconned them as a new and improved antagonistic force in BotF (just like he further repurposed them and Jagang as the Evil Commie Army in FotF). It's refreshing to know that there is some sort of continuity. :)[/quote] I'd say you're pretty much spot on Pg. Darken was actually "fleshed out" in comparison to what was accomplished over the next 9 books with the IO. Best case scenario, Tairy brought in a Flavor of the Month bad guy (like the guy looking through animals eyes) or the ultimate magic monster thingy from the last three books to alleviate... well, nothing much at all but to this day I still don't understand why new lessons and moral gut-checks couldn't be accomplished without the same old almost rape and cannibalistic army and all that. My best guess is keeping the same old faceless threat around was a *Ahem* metaphor for the endless plague that is socialism. Edit: Oh, and by the way, Welcome! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghkitten Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Foreverlad' post='1299153' date='Apr 3 2008, 09.42']My best guess is keeping the same old faceless threat around was a *Ahem* metaphor for the endless plague that is socialism.[/quote] That makes a lot of sense. Ah, the neverending terrors of altruism...such an awful force that even the author ultimately couldn't figure out what to do with them, so he just locked them up again. That's one of the most frustrating things about this series...absolutely nothing was accomplished in the end. The boundaries went down, some stuff happened, and a different boundary went back up...the IO wasn't reformed, and the O'ists went to their happy place to ignore the Commies forever. Thank you for the welcome! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exa Inova Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Foreverlad' post='1299153' date='Apr 3 2008, 16.42']Edit: Oh, and by the way, Welcome! :)[/quote] [size=3][font="Times New Roman"]Not only a warm pinko commie welcome to pghkitten but also Onion (maiden post in this thread)[/font][/size] [font="Times New Roman"][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font="Times New Roman"]Moose,[/font][/size] [font="Times New Roman"][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font="Times New Roman"]Since you became a living martyr by reading all books, what happens to Nathan Rahl? Did he prophesize ol'Dicky sending all the bad guys away?[/font][/size] [font="Times New Roman"][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font="Times New Roman"]When Dickyboy send the IO and their people away did he wish the corpses of their dead soldiers away too? I mean with Clan killing 50.000+ with only 5000 and the first wave of 500.000 killed (using glass and famine and the Russian errr D'haran winter) there must be close to a million rotting corpses of IO soldiers and their victims[/font][/size] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Exa Inova' post='1299253' date='Apr 3 2008, 10.37'][size=3][font="Times New Roman"]Not only a warm pinko commie welcome to pghkitten but also Onion (maiden post in this thread)[/font][/size] [font="Times New Roman"][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font="Times New Roman"]Moose,[/font][/size] [font="Times New Roman"][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font="Times New Roman"]Since you became a living martyr by reading all books, what happens to Nathan Rahl? Did he prophesize ol'Dicky sending all the bad guys away?[/font][/size] [font="Times New Roman"][size=3] [/size][/font] [size=3][font="Times New Roman"]When Dickyboy send the IO and their people away did he wish the corpses of their dead soldiers away too? I mean with Clan killing 50.000+ with only 5000 and the first wave of 500.000 killed (using glass and famine and the Russian errr D'haran winter) there must be close to a million rotting corpses of IO soldiers and their victims[/font][/size][/quote] Exa, Nathan the prophet couldn't figure out the final major fork in all the prophecies. One led to absolute nothing, the other was normal life. When Dick did the big magic buh-bye, he created a second identical world without magic, which fulfilled the prophecy. It wasn't actually a forked prophecy but was instead an absolute one. There wasn't an alternative choice, the two worlds were going to exist. Prophecy couldn't exist without magic, so that future 'clone' world was unable to be read. The series 'ends' with Nathan popping up and saying "Oh, by the way, there's a prophecy about a person not from our world being the key to saving it" or some crap like that. Brilliant people like Tairy call that Foreshadowing. As for the corpses, I don't think it was ever explained. Tairy writes that everyone joined together to help clean up and started making miraculous discoveries and inventions, but I don't think they mentioned the corpses. At one point the IO numbered about one million strong with endless reinforcements to refill the ranks. With the big winter, they were eating their dead, or it was at least alluded to numerous times. I don't remember if the official count rose past two million, but the majority of ALL soldiers and potential soldiers were whisked away to no-magic/heaven/hell land. The only mention of corpses I can really remember were in the various cities that the IO destroyed along the way. Whenever one of the Righteous Rahls or their friends stopped by one of these abandoned towns, you'd hear endless descriptions of bodies strewn about, children bent over objects, etc. One would assume the corpses of townsfolk got cleared out in time, but we can hope the black plague came about shortly after the series wrapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghkitten Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 Re: large-scale corpse disposal, it could be taken care of with some copious application of Subtractive Magic, I guess. At the very least, it would give Nicci something to do to distract her from her massive and lifelong heartbreak. What I'd love to see is how they dealt with the fact that Richard dumped poison on the entire agricultural region a few books ago. Everyone goes on a strict diet of lardo for the next fifty years while Anderith's soil recovers! :D ::tries to stop posting about these books and go on to discuss actual good ones now that delurk status has been achieved:: ::fails:: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='pghkitten' post='1299425' date='Apr 3 2008, 12.31']Re: large-scale corpse disposal, it could be taken care of with some copious application of Subtractive Magic, I guess. At the very least, it would give Nicci something to do to distract her from her massive and lifelong heartbreak. What I'd love to see is how they dealt with the fact that Richard dumped poison on the entire agricultural region a few books ago. Everyone goes on a strict diet of lardo for the next fifty years while Anderith's soil recovers! :D ::tries to stop posting about these books and go on to discuss actual good ones now that delurk status has been achieved:: ::fails::[/quote] THANK YOU. You just gave me a great idea for a new t-shirt. Just gotta find the right images, and I should be able to put it together pretty quick. Edit: [url="http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3725/reapxq3.jpg"]Here ya go[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pghkitten Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Foreverlad' post='1299432' date='Apr 3 2008, 12.34']THANK YOU. You just gave me a great idea for a new t-shirt. Just gotta find the right images, and I should be able to put it together pretty quick. Edit: [url="http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/3725/reapxq3.jpg"]Here ya go[/url][/quote] :lol: That's awesome. Exa Inova, thanks for the commie welcome as well. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deluge Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Foreverlad' post='1299384' date='Apr 3 2008, 12.00']The series 'ends' with Nathan popping up and saying "Oh, by the way, there's a prophecy about a person not from our world being the key to saving it" or some crap like that. Brilliant people like Tairy call that Foreshadowing.[/quote] Since the cloned world is clearly ours (wow Tairy, what an ORIGINAL plot device), does that mean he will soon literally write himself into the books, rather than simply using Mary Sues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosicus Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Foreverlad' post='1299384' date='Apr 3 2008, 13.00']Nathan the prophet couldn't figure out the final major fork in all the prophecies. One led to absolute nothing, the other was normal life.[/quote] I wonder if there was ever a prophecy which noted that if Dick just stayed home in the beginning and not got involved, everything would have been fine (the Book of Counted Shadows being a trick). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myshkin Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote name='Deluge' post='1299598' date='Apr 3 2008, 11.19']Since the cloned world is clearly ours (wow Tairy, what an ORIGINAL plot device), does that mean he will soon literally write himself into the books, rather than simply using Mary Sues?[/quote] Like Steven King in The Dark Tower, only a million times worse. I'd read it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Padreic Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 [quote]Nathan the prophet couldn't figure out the final major fork in all the prophecies. One led to absolute nothing, the other was normal life. When Dick did the big magic buh-bye, he created a second identical world without magic, which fulfilled the prophecy. It wasn't actually a forked prophecy but was instead an absolute one. There wasn't an alternative choice, the two worlds were going to exist. Prophecy couldn't exist without magic, so that future 'clone' world was unable to be read.[/quote] That does indeed sound like quite a good solution for the prophecy-thing *duck* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreverlad Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 [quote name='Deluge' post='1299598' date='Apr 3 2008, 14.19']Since the cloned world is clearly ours (wow Tairy, what an ORIGINAL plot device), does that mean he will soon literally write himself into the books, rather than simply using Mary Sues?[/quote] Deluge, I'm going to have to ask you to stop that. In Tairy's world there is no god. Yet Tairy Goodkind IS our god, and since contradictions cannot exist, you're not allowed to ask those kinds of questions anymore, otherwise the universe will explode and there'll be no one to make any money off of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
respectabull Posted April 4, 2008 Share Posted April 4, 2008 yeah Deluge... BAD! We don't want the chicken that is not a chicken to come for us... respect the laws of the lemmings Oh, Foreverlad, nice shirt but too wordy. I still want someone to make one of those three picture shirts with a "How to...." above it. Im sure it would be hilarious. BTW, when we make shirts, can we send a free one to Tairy in the name of altruism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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