Ser Howsmelly Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Love PratchettWould like to see a series of feature length screen adaptations involving the night watch, starting with 'Guards, Guards'.Who would be favourite to play Vimes? Carrot? heheh or Nobby? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pita Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 They already have a Nobby.And the next movie is Going Postal, which includes Vimes, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artas Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 it suggests that he could find a way to write a really good book again in the futureHe has, recently. It's called "Nation". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Howsmelly Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 They already have a Nobby.And the next movie is Going Postal, which includes Vimes, I believe.Oh really? Do fill me in. Surely not another budget live action? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pita Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 I think it is. All i know is what's on Wikipedia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcf Posted November 5, 2009 Share Posted November 5, 2009 A very nice article in the New Scientist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted November 9, 2009 Author Share Posted November 9, 2009 A double-bill today.Men at ArmsCaptain Sam Vimes of the Ankh-Morpork City Watch is retiring and getting married in a few days. But an explosion at the Assassins' Guild attracts his interest, and soon a trail of bodies is forming. The Guilds don't want his help, the Patrician has ordered him to lay off and his fellow Watch members seem more concerned about the new intake of ethnic minorities (Lance-Corporal Cuddy of the dwarfs and Lance-Corporal Detritus of the trolls) than the mystery. But somewhere in Ankh-Morpork a killer is on the loose with a very powerful new weapon...Men at Arms is the second Discworld novel to focus on the City Watch, introduced in the classic Guards! Guards! As told in that volume, the City Watch saved the city from a marauding dragon and at the end of the book the Watch gained fresh resources from a grateful city government. However, it is still regarded as a joke, as Men at Arms makes clear.Pratchett once again uses the cliches and ideas of police procedurals to generate humour and satire, although this volume is much more of a hard-bitten (in some cases, literally) mystery novel. Sam Vimes is portrayed as the cynical, weathered old cop doggedly pursuing his case in the face of all opposition, whilst Corporal Carrot is his enthusiastic young sidekick. Of course, that would be a bit too cheesy, so Pratchett subverts this idea earlier on and takes the story in a more interesting and original direction.The city of Ankh-Morpork comes to life in this book more successfully than in any prior volume, to the extent that Pratchett's playwright and friend Stephen Briggs was able to use information in this book (and the prior ones) to map the city so everything tracked and made sense (the results can be found in the spin-off product, The Streets of Ankh-Morpork). The city's ethnic make-up, the political structure of the guilds and the office of the Patrician are all portrayed convincingly. In addition, Pratchett aims high with his characterisation, with the most affecting death of a Discworld character to date and some brilliant development for Carrot and Vimes. There is even a reasonably well-portrayed romance and some (tastefully off-screen) sex, a first for the series. Men at Arms is Discworld aimed at a slightly maturer level than arguably any of the previous books bar Small Gods.Which isn't to say that Pratchett doesn't bring the funny. The Colon/Nobbs double-act is excellent, the return of Gaspode the Wonder Dog (from Moving Pictures, but much better-utilised here) is genuinely funny and there is some fantastic material to be mined from the Cuddy/Detritus relationship.Men at Arms (*****) is Pratchett yet again firing on all cylinders, delivering a novel that is by turns brilliantly funny, genuinely thought-provoking and consistently entertaining. The novel is available now in the UK and USA.Soul MusicImp y Celyn, trained as a musician in a druid society, arrives in Ankh-Morpork ready to seek his fortune. Instead, the city rapidly deprives him of the few riches he already has. Teaming up with the dwarf horn-blower Glod and the troll drummer Lias, Imp braves the wrath of the Musicians' Guild by playing without a licence. When he acquires a special guitar from a back-alley shop, Imp learns that he and his band are meant for greatness, for sex and drugs and Music With Rocks In (well, one out of three isn't that bad).Meanwhile, Susan, the daughter of the Duke and Duchess of Sto Helit, is rather perturbed to learn that she is the granddaughter of Death, and when her grandfather decides to take some time off she has to step in and do the job. Which would be fine except that when it becomes time for her to collect the soul of a certain musician, she learns that music doesn't want him to die. At least, not until it decides the time is right...Soul Music is the Discworld's take on rock music, essentially doing for music what Moving Pictures did for movies. In fact, Pratchett lampshades this a couple of times, with references to the events of that earlier book informing events (such as Ridcully becoming convinced horrible Things from the Dungeon Dimensions are about to break through the walls of reality at any second). The problem is that whilst he does this amusingly, Pratchett never really breaks away from the basic concept. He throws some great new ideas and characters into the mix, with the introduction of HEX (the Discworld's first AI-based computer), the Duck Man and the excellent character of Susan, who recurs in several future books, but overall it does feel like Pratchett is retreading old ground here. The Death storyline is also somewhat under-developed, with no real reason for Death suddenly taking a few weeks off being given. In fact, it feels very odd he would after the chaos this caused last time in Reaper Man (the events of which are also referenced several times, making Soul Music one of the most continuity-heavy books in the series).Of course, as has been said in these reviews before, Pratchett on autopilot is still better than most writers at the very top of their game. Pratchett has a huge knowledge of music and lets the reader know it with references (both overt and subtle) to Buddy Holly, Elvis, the Beatles, the Stones, the Who, Meat Loaf, punk rock and The Blues Brothers roaring past the reader like bullets from a machine gun. The pace is fast, the narrative is tight and some of the cliches of rock 'n' roll are very cleverly used to set up and further the storyline.The problem is that Soul Music is, whilst entertaining, lacks the spark of greatness that infused the three books that preceded it, and if read in close conjunction with the earlier volumes it does feel like a slight step down in quality. The new characters are not quite as memorable as those in the books which preceded it and the running gag with the Bursar's insanity and dried frog pills is starting to wear pretty thin by this point. Pratchett also has a slight problem with the cameos from the Ankh-Morpork City Watch, who in their own books get involved whenever something crazy happens in the city and eventually sort it out, but in other characters' volumes simply come across as useless and somewhat pointless, which seems a bit disrespectful of them after their fine achievements in Men at Arms.Still, these are really minor problem. Soul Music (****) remains a very entertaining and readable novel, and is available now in the UK and USA. An animated movie based on the book is also available in the USA (in a double-pack with Wyrd Sisters) on DVD, although it is currently out-of-print in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Howsmelly Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Yeah I watched the animated adaptation of Wyrd Sisters before I had read any of Pratchett's works so I did not appreciate it at all. Would be interesting to re-watch....And yea Soul Music did seem like Moving Pictures with the film parts being substituted for pop icons of rock though I did miss many and more of the objects of satire mentioned by Werthead. Would have given it 3 stars, maybe three and a half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sad King Billy Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 I just finished reading Night watch for the first time. Holy mother. This book is pure crack! I bought it Thursday, started reading it yesterday and finished sometime around 19.00. Every time I tried putting it away it pulled me right back. It has to be one of, if not the best book he has ever written. And I hate that I can't recommend this book to people to get into Pratchett, because 3/4 of the impact is because we already know these people. The origin of CMOT's catchphrase, Vetinari's education/involvement in politics, the return of the Sweeper, and so on... we care for these people because we know them. What is interesting to me is that it's distinctly darker than his other books (though on rereading I often get the feeling every discworld novel is a bit darker than the previous one, this one was it more so), but the novel is richer for it. The general oppressiveness of the setting and the book make the jokes and heartwarming moments more touching/amusing1. Though I'm usually very bad at first impressions, this'll remain in my favorites for a long long time.And it has an awesome cover1 It has to be said, though, a pissed Vimes is a scary motherf*cker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polishgenius Posted December 13, 2009 Share Posted December 13, 2009 Yeah, Night Watch is sublime, but yes, it is easily the least standalone book he's written... Still, I agree that it's among his best so no complaints from me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pita Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 I got a hardcover second hand Thud! in excellent condition today :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wastrel Posted December 14, 2009 Share Posted December 14, 2009 It's not Discworld, but I recently re-read Only You Can Save Mankind. Brief opinion: Pratchett used to be brilliant, although OYCSM is a bit too child-oriented and simplistic in some ways (particularly the villains and the plot resolution). More fleshed-out thoughts here:My link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Other-in-law Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 It's not Discworld, but I recently re-read Only You Can Save Mankind.I think OYcSM was the weakest of the Johnny Maxwell books. JatD was better and JatB was a lot better; some really good stuff in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcf Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Last week I finished up Unseen Academicals and I finally got a review of it written*. It's pretty good - not the best Discworld book out there, but far from the worst. *complete with footnotes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wizard Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I got Unseen Academicals for Christmas and I immediately put it at the head of my book cue. I found it to be a really enjoyable read and up there with my favourite books Discworld books like Guards, Guards! and Interesting Times. It was good that Pratchett returned to the older style books instead of the more dull Moist Von Lipwig books. It's a shame that he doesn't have long left to write many more like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marquis de Leech Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I got Unseen Academicals for Christmas and I immediately put it at the head of my book cue. I found it to be a really enjoyable read and up there with my favourite books Discworld books like Guards, Guards! and Interesting Times. It was good that Pratchett returned to the older style books instead of the more dull Moist Von Lipwig books. It's a shame that he doesn't have long left to write many more like it.Unseen Academicals is still very much in the post-The Truth style: heavy on the social commentary, and mostly uses the fantastical creatures (dwarves, trolls, etc) for the social commentary - Ankh-Morpork is becoming more and more "mundane". I did think the book was pretty decent though, and a big step up from Making Money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 It's a shame that he doesn't have long left to write many more like it. Why are people nailing shut Pratchett's coffin already? As he showed in his BBC documentary last year there are people (with far less money and resources than him) who have gone 10-15 years with Alzheimers before showing a really noticeable decline in aptitude and ability. He sat and had a perfectly normal conversation with a guy who was ten years after initial diagnosis and only just starting to show more serious effects of the disease.It's a serious and, as yet, incurable condition and barring a major breakthrough it will effect his mental aptitude at some point, but that point has not come as yet and he continues to write, with work on the new Tiffany Aching book already well-advanced and another 2-3 books planned, as well as him consulting on the Sky TV adaptations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kcf Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 -Wert who/what are you replying to - I looked at the previous 15 or so replies and didn's see anyone nailing the coffin shut on Pratchett or even mention of his Alzheimers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werthead Posted January 11, 2010 Author Share Posted January 11, 2010 Edited the post with the relevant quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Wizard Posted January 11, 2010 Share Posted January 11, 2010 Why are people nailing shut Pratchett's coffin already?Sorry, I'm a pessimist. It comes with the nationality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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