rmholt Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Is there any evidence that the story of the Rat Cook is meant to be taken literally?It looked more like folklore to me. Like a Grim Reaper or generic boogeyman tale.Maybe it is a reference to what may have happened to the missing Freys & their horses and the large meat pies brought by Manderly to WinterfellMarie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 So the legend still survives that there are "Rhaegar's rubies" floating around in the Trident somewhere Arya and her butcher boy Mycah went looking for them on that fateful day around Darry Castle -- it's in GOT. This legend might even be true, as one or two rubies washed up on the Quiet Isle in AFFC.Six I believe. The septon on the Quiet Isle was waiting for the 7th. Not sure if that was a religious reference or if there were only 7Marie Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Ok I have been out of it for several weeks so sorry if this has been addressed:1) Hodor refused to go into the crypts (GoT) then Hodor was grinning happily in the crypts when hiding from Theon and Ramsay (CoK)2) The red priests seem so much more capable than Melisandre. She seems well meaning but manages to screw up while the others seem to know what they are doing, especially the one with Victarion in aDwD. Is she just inept?3) I presume Osha and Rickon and Shaggy went to Skagos bc of the reference to Cannibals - however ppl are saying this as if it is certain? Did I miss something?4) Anyone see any way for Dany's baby (Rhaegon?) to re-enter the action? We only have Mirri's word that he is dead and she is barren. Hard to imagine where he would have gotten to, unnoticed, but Dany may still be able to reproduce.TIAMarie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaena Targaryen Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Ok I have been out of it for several weeks so sorry if this has been addressed:1) Hodor refused to go into the crypts (GoT) then Hodor was grinning happily in the crypts when hiding from Theon and Ramsay (CoK)2) The red priests seem so much more capable than Melisandre. She seems well meaning but manages to screw up while the others seem to know what they are doing, especially the one with Victarion in aDwD. Is she just inept?3) I presume Osha and Rickon and Shaggy went to Skagos bc of the reference to Cannibals - however ppl are saying this as if it is certain? Did I miss something?4) Anyone see any way for Dany's baby (Rhaegon?) to re-enter the action? We only have Mirri's word that he is dead and she is barren. Hard to imagine where he would have gotten to, unnoticed, but Dany may still be able to reproduce.TIAMarie 1) I think Hodor was only scared to go into the crypts at that particular time...I may have read that in a SSM, I'll check when I have time2) Mel sees what she wants to see, then helps that along3) Another reference was Jon had a dream (?) that Shaggydog had a fight with a one horned goat (?) and there may be unicorns on Skagos4) Some speculate he is in Drogon, but some say the same of Drogo.ETA http://www.westeros.org/Citadel/SSM/Entry/1012/ for # 1 Hodor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serie Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 4) Anyone see any way for Dany's baby (Rhaegon?) to re-enter the action? We only have Mirri's word that he is dead and she is barren. Hard to imagine where he would have gotten to, unnoticed, but Dany may still be able to reproduce.and some others say that Dany suffered a miscarriage during her last POV in ADWD instead of the pale mare or some other illness... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Rayne Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 2) The red priests seem so much more capable than Melisandre. She seems well meaning but manages to screw up while the others seem to know what they are doing, especially the one with Victarion in aDwD. Is she just inept?Maybe it's a matter of proficiency. Moqorro specializes in prophecy and Melisandre's specialty is in offensive magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dark sister Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Six I believe. The septon on the Quiet Isle was waiting for the 7th. Not sure if that was a religious reference or if there were only 7MarieMarie :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Melisandre? Well-meaning?What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Does anyone know what kind of horse a stot is? It is listed as one of the kinds available in a former RPG product, from what I learned. And it is the kind of horse that Podrick Payne uses in one of the books, as well as Reek in another. It doesn't seem to be a particularly capable kind of horse (Pod's is also described as a rounsey). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunfromhere Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Hi, I hope this question belongs to small questions (as it is not about the plot itself).Was there an earlier work (a novella, short story or perhaps a TV show) by GRRM which has these plots: a woman ploting and killing to become Queen Regent, replacing the Council, scheming, going mad, going naked trough the city shamed; the second - a man scheming to be the ruler of the land by throwing his wife (a wife he never loved, but another woman) from a height and trying to kill her sick child.Why am I asking this? I am 100% sure I haven't read any of the books before (one doesn't forget a 1k page volume so easily, I'm not that old), and yet these 2 plots from books sound very very familiar. There are two options - GRRM had these stories somewhat changed and shortened and published them before or I'm having a deja-read.Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galen M Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Hi, I hope this question belongs to small questions (as it is not about the plot itself).Was there an earlier work (a novella, short story or perhaps a TV show) by GRRM which has these plots: a woman ploting and killing to become Queen Regent, replacing the Council, scheming, going mad, going naked trough the city shamed; the second - a man scheming to be the ruler of the land by throwing his wife (a wife he never loved, but another woman) from a height and trying to kill her sick child.Why am I asking this? I am 100% sure I haven't read any of the books before (one doesn't forget a 1k page volume so easily, I'm not that old), and yet these 2 plots from books sound very very familiar. There are two options - GRRM had these stories somewhat changed and shortened and published them before or I'm having a deja-read.Thanks.Definitely deja vu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Maybe it's a matter of proficiency. Moqorro specializes in prophecy and Melisandre's specialty is in offensive magic.Moqorro also did a dandy job with Victarion's hand/arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Melisandre? Well-meaning?What did I miss?I think she really thinks she is doing the right things and has the right goals. When she delivers he half baked prophecies she really thinks she is helping. The few times we hear inside her head it seems that way. She also manages to justify everything she does or wants to do. I am not her fan but she seems sincere, but dangerously misguided and foolish and prone to try to make things fit her world view.Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmholt Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 1) I think Hodor was only scared to go into the crypts at that particular time...I may have read that in a SSM, I'll check when I have timeETA http://www.westeros....SSM/Entry/1012/ for # 1 HodorThanks for all the thoughts - perhaps Hodor had the same dream Rickon and Bran did.Marie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 I think she really thinks she is doing the right things and has the right goals. When she delivers he half baked prophecies she really thinks she is helping. The few times we hear inside her head it seems that way. She also manages to justify everything she does or wants to do. I am not her fan but she seems sincere, but dangerously misguided and foolish and prone to try to make things fit her world view.MarieYou are WAY more generous towards evil people than I see fit to be, I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HyacinthGirl Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 What happened to Stonesnake after the Halfhand sent him away over some mountain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghost the direwolf Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 why did Ilyrio sent Barristan to Dany and Tyrion to Eagon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FanTasy Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 What happened to Stonesnake after the Halfhand sent him away over some mountain?He was lost in the Skirling Pass, according to the wiki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Petrichor Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Was the stag on the Baratheon sigil crowned when Robert took the throne or was it before that? Memory lapse, sorry. :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corbon Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 Was the stag on the Baratheon sigil crowned when Robert took the throne or was it before that? Memory lapse, sorry. :dunno:When Robert took the throne. Not before.why did Ilyrio sent Barristan to Dany and Tyrion to Eagon ?Did he? Did Barristan say Illyrio sent him? Or did he just find his way there himself, wanting to srve the 'rightful heir' to make up for his serving Robert all those years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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