slayer420 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I am sure this won't matter to you guys, but we are not a democracy, we are a Republic. http://www.freerepub...s/1276845/posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manhole Eunuchsbane Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 .Pro 420, I really don't think we should tell a women if she can or can't have a abortion. She will have to live with it, so its her choice. I am for small government. I fill all the EPA regs just push jobs over seas, where those company’s can pollute more than if they were here. What else. Lets see, I think the government should take less money from people because the government has proven it is the worst with money. When ever government takes something over it seems to do worse. See Education Housing.ect. The only good thing the are at is killing people(WAR) That’s just off the top of my head, I have many other crazy Idea's What's your stance on magic tiger-repulsing underwear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Agreed. It is interesting that to this day much of the American political discourse feels the need to refer to the Founding Fathers, despite their day having been over two centuries ago, before many important advancements were even conceived. Heck, Thomas Jefferson failed to notice that slavery was wrong.I can see the appeal of having roots, being proud of them and wanting to be faithful to them. But at some point we all must learn that love and respect are not good reasons for avoiding growth and personal responsibility.More to the point, there is an inherent contradiction in wanting to be a "responsible conservative". Responsibility involved the courage of accepting a certain level of uncertainty and the faith of believing in one's own capabilty for dealing with it. Conservative mindsets are based on the rejection of change and on the preservation of confortable, familiar situations.I fear that the time has come when that contradiction can't very well be avoided by the US politicians - and most significantly, nor by the citizens themselves.ETA: I meant to reply to Verboten, but three posts came since... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salt Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I think it matters where you are at in the world. You could turn that around and say you have two parties that are the same, except they have different names. To us they are both left-wing.This is just false.I can't think of any out of the top of my head. Unless dictatorships count, I suppose.You can't think of a political party on Earth further to the right than the Democratic party? How long did you spend thinking?Oh no doubt.But the point of the joke was exactly that. I raised it to point out that it was easy to understand, without the need for an intricate understanding of American politics.The problem is, if you do have an intricate understanding of Ameircan politics, its no longer a good joke :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shryke Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 The problem is, if you do have an intricate understanding of Ameircan politics, its no longer a good joke :PPolitics itself is the joke once you have an intricate understanding of it.It's just one of those jokes where you laugh for about 10 seconds and then slowly stop and slide into a bitter depression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayer420 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 What's your stance on magic tiger-repulsing underwear?I like tiger print underwear. Don’t know if that answers your question thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 You can't think of a political party on Earth further to the right than the Democratic party? How long did you spend thinking?Not a whole lot. It is not like this is a new question to me.Oh, I suppose those xenophobes in Europe could count. But at that point we are not talking politics proper. Not as far as I am concerned, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfoot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I can see the appeal of having roots, being proud of them and wanting to be faithful to them. But at some point we all must learn that love and respect are not good reasons for avoiding growth and personal responsibility.There's a quote that I really like that sums this up nicely. I can't remember where I got it from or who said it, maybe it was here (actually that's very possible). Anyways, the quote is something like this: "Tradition is the passing of the flame, not the worship of the ember." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliban2 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Heck, Thomas Jefferson failed to notice that slavery was wrong.Hang on here bro, at least least he was having sex with those women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slayer420 Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Not a whole lot. It is not like this is a new question to me.Oh, I suppose those xenophobes in Europe could count. But at that point we are not talking politics proper. Not as far as I am concerned, anyway.Dude he is making fun of you, I think the GOP is right of the Democratic party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Hang on here bro, at least least he was having sex with those women.Hey no fair. Just because I am not having sex with women it doesn't mean I am not willing to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Dude he is making fun of you, I think the GOP is right of the Democratic party.I don't think he was. Then again, his question was about other countries' parties, not the GOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Fox Cauthon Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Agreed. It is interesting that to this day much of the American political discourse feels the need to refer to the Founding Fathers, despite their day having been over two centuries ago, before many important advancements were even conceived. Heck, Thomas Jefferson failed to notice that slavery was wrong.I can see the appeal of having roots, being proud of them and wanting to be faithful to them. But at some point we all must learn that love and respect are not good reasons for avoiding growth and personal responsibility.You have to understand that while many things change in the world, this phenomenon is not one of them. When looking at the self-reflective discourse of the past from any state, city, or nation, the ancestral founding figures are essentially never wrong. Or if they were "wrong," they are generally framed as being right for their time, but "misguided" by contemporaneous standards. There is an interesting chapter in one of Classical scholar Wallace-Hadrill's books where he talks about the rhetorical role of ancestral figures in the context of Classical Rome. Fascinating read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfoot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Hey no fair. Just because I am not having sex with women it doesn't mean I am not willing to.The question is, were those women willing to have sex with him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I assumed Caliban2 was speaking in jest. Sorry if I misread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salt Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Dude he is making fun of you, I think the GOP is right of the Democratic party.Thats not exactly what I meant. My point is that while by Western European standards, the Democratic party may be a centrsit party, even center right in the eyes of the more socialist-friendly countries, by world standards when you bring South America, North America, and Asia into the picture, the Democrats are clearly a left leaning party. Don't confuse liberalism with socialism, or doubt that liberalism can exist without a true socialist party. To claim that the Democrats are to the right of all major parties except fringe xenophobic European factions and dictators is beyond silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 No Brazilian ever thinks of the Dems as "left-leaning", far as I am aware.In fact, most Brazilians barely even recognize any significant political difference between Dems and GOP'ers.The (admitedly prejudiced) common understanding is that the USA as a whole is very far-right.I used to disagree. Until I saw the response to 9/11. If OBL's target happened to be the public image of the USA as opposed to the towers, one must concede that he was wildly succesful.But going back to the political differences between Democrats and Republicans, my impression is that while the discourses are certainly different (but not to the point where I would ever call Democrats "left-leaning"), it doesn't look like it makes much of a difference on actual results when a Democrat is elected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisDantas Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 To claim that the Democrats are to the right of all major parties except fringe xenophobic European factions and dictators is beyond silly.Is it? May you give some examples then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfoot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 I assumed Caliban2 was speaking in jest. Sorry if I misread.He was, and I was just going with it. Probably shouldn't have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underfoot Posted January 19, 2012 Share Posted January 19, 2012 Is it? May you give some examples then?I would say that the British National Party is to the right of the GOP, even pretty conservative ones, at least on some issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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