Ice Turtle Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ned, Cat, Robb Cersei... what was their absolutely worst decision or act?Starks Ned - accepting position of the HandCat - forcing Jon out of Winterfell Robb - marrying Jeyne Sansa - going to Cersei/ telling Dontos about WillasArya - not killing Tywin Bran - not telling Robb to go fight North Jon - trying to desert in AGoTLannisters Tywin - angering Tyrion while he held a crossbow Cersei - break - up with Jaime - she lost her only real supporter Jaime - trying to kill Bran Tyrion - killing Tywin, he should have simply fled, now he lost chance to be ever respected in WesterosGreyjoysTheon - remaining in WF, when he had no men to hold itVic - not accepting Asha as "Hand"Baratheons Renly - crowning himself Robert - naming Ned his Hand, either of his brothers would be betterStannis - sleeping with Mel others...LF - kissing Sansa in godswood Dany - trusting MMDWhat do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danm_999 Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 For Cersei, it's got to be re-arming the Faith.Especially since she has ample counsel from people like Pycelle, who accurately begins telling her it's not a good idea because of what happened last time around, which she dismisses on the basis that she doesn't care what happened to people who came before her.For Daenerys, I'd extend the MMD mistake in that even though MMD proves to be a liar, and not having Dany's best interests at heart, she believes her prophecy about being barren without any real scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SerStinger Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 To me Ned's worst mistake was not listening to Renly when he asked him to take Joff and Tommen hostage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julian Rayne Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Cat - forcing Jon out of WinterfellI don't know - Cat may have saved all of humanity with that act. IMO in the long run Cat may have been the best thing that ever happened to Jon.For Cersei, it's got to be re-arming the Faith.Especially since she has ample counsel from people like Pycelle, who accurate begins telling her it's not a good idea because of what happened last time around, which she dismisses on the basis that she doesn't care what happened to people who came before her.Agreed. It was not just a mistake but mind-blowingly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Little Miss Sunshine Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Dany - freeing the Slaver cities without any real conditions of of "maintaining" their new status... we're all witnessing what that is leading to. And, if by any chance she never gets to leave Essos, it would because of this.Baratheon brothers - fighting each other instead of making an alliance (even if a temporary one) and take arms against their common enemies. Whoever's king and whoever's not could be perfectly discussed after the war was finished.Robb - letting Theon go. So much shit coud be avoided with just that one thing. IMHO, it's a bigger mistake than marrying Jeyne.Cersei - re-arming the Faith. Though I can't wait to see, for the plot's sake, the consequences of that decision.Jon - talking down to Marsh&Co, instead of trying to consider them as equals and as people with a lot of experience in the Wall. Don't get me wrong, I fully support most of Jon's decisions as LC and I hate Marsh and his bunch for the Ides, but he should have understood that the men who later attempted to murder him were people who had been in the Night's Watch for years and during all those years all they truly fought were the Wildlings. Old habits die hard, and it's extremely difficult to convince someone that something they did and/or believed their entire life isn't 100% accurate (or completely wrong, for that matter). He should have understood that it would take (quite) a while til all the old generation NC members would see the Wildlings as people, and not just as the enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 I don't know - Cat may have saved all of humanity with that act. IMO in the long run Cat may have been the best thing that ever happened to Jon.Yes, it helped the mankind but hurt her family. And it is clear what is more important for Cat. If Jon was there, there would be someone to help Robb and Bran and Rickon. Theon would probably be never able to take Winterfell - Jon was able to see trough exact same strategy at the Wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Starks Ned - Trusting Littlefinger, there was so many reasons for LF to dislikke ned and he ignore themCat - Captureing TyrionRobb - Marrying JeyneSansa - Going to CerseiArya - Not killing Joffrey and CerseiJon - Sending is most loyal men awayLannisters Tywin - Underestimateing Tyrion and holding him away from his birthrightCersei - Faith militia and trying to screw the TyrellsJaime - He didn't make sure Bran dieTyrion - Not killing LF when he first arrived in KLGreyjoysBalon - Attacking the northTheon - Sending Ramsay away when he stock in WFEuron - Sending Victarion to DanyBaratheons Renly - Crowning himselfRobert - Underestimateing the upcoming war and go huntinStannis - No give-and-takeothers...LF - Making big plans but failing to secure the conditionsDany - trusting MMD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie_Rider Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ice TurtleThat's a nice list and I am in agreement, with the exceptions of the entries for Jon Snow and Sansa Stark.Sansa Stark - selfishly ratting out her father's secret plan to sneak out of King's Landing to Cersei LannisterJon Snow - going along with Mellisandre's plans to have Mance Rayder rescue his sister. That compromised his ethics as Lord Commander in many ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Sansa Stark Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Starks:Ned: Telling Cersei what he would doCat: Urging Ned to go to King's LandingRobb: Marrying JeyneSansa: Telling Cersei they would leaveArya: Not naming TywinJon: Fleeing in aGoTLannisters:Cersei: Re-arming the Faith and not making use of the Tyrell-alliance Jaime: Pushing Bran out the window and loving CerseiTyrion: Not guarding his tongueJoffrey: Being JoffreyTywin: underestimating Tyrion. Greyjoys:Theon: Trying to hold WinterfellBalon: Ignoring TheonEuron: Sending Victarion to Daenerys.Baratheons:Robert: Go hunting while the situation is extremely bad.Stannis: Trusting MelisandreRenly: Being arrogant and ignorant.Daenerys: Her constant whining about how she's the rightful queen en deserves every good thing there is. Brought her partial downfall.Walder Frey: Red WeddingLittlefinger: Letting his love for Catelyn/Sansa stand in the way.Lysa Arryn: Loving LittlefingerWesterlings: Red WeddingAll the people involved: Starting the War of the Five Kings when Winter is coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Mark Selmy Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ned, Cat, Robb Cersei... what was their absolutely worst decision or act?That depends. Am I to go by wickedness or stupidity? I'm going with stupidity.Ned's worst mistake was to tell Cersei beforehand what he was gonna do.Cat's worst mistake is releasing Jaime. That was just to emotional, rushed and ergo stupid. Possibly one of the worst political moves on the whole series. Sending Jon away, although cruel, does not compares.Robb worst mistake was not to marry Jeyne (he was only protecting her... a case could be made for bedding her on the first place...) that would be either trusting Bolton and the Freys or sending Theon to the Iron Islands. And I lean towards the second.Sansa's was refusing to grow sooner, basically. Arya had basically the same creation but wasn't nearly as stupid and naive.Arya's was probably about the names she gave Jaqen. But then again when she had more time to think she blackmailed him into freeing her. Actually, that her worst mistake is so tiny proves how awesome she is.Bran's was... not hearing his parents about climbing, perhaps?Jon's was refusing Winterfell from Stannis, say what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the Road Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Ned not accepting the support of Renly prior to the death of King Robert.Cersei re-arming the faith militia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice Turtle Posted July 8, 2012 Author Share Posted July 8, 2012 Jon's was refusing Winterfell from Stannis, say what you will.I have to disagree, if he accepted Winterfell from Stannis he would have to burn the godswood, take the red go and marry the wildling, that would have put the whole North against him. Not to mention it wasn't Stannis' to give. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Mark Selmy Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 I have to disagree, if he accepted Winterfell from Stannis he would have to burn the godswood, take the red go and marry the wildling, that would have put the whole North against him. Not to mention it wasn't Stannis' to give.I think he could have worked around burning the godswood somehow. Perhaps. I think it was worth a try. As for marrying Val... she's kind and beautiful. And I'm kind of a pragmatist, don't care much for his vows. (I realize it would be very out of character for him, but it's what I'd have done, providing I could avoid the whole Lord of Light business.)Also...Cersei: Rearming the faith.Jaime: Loving Cersei.Tyrion: He might just be the better player among the POV's. If only he had not let his hatred for being an exile overcome him...Tywin: Underastimating Tyrion. Had he just loved or at least respected the damn Imp a little bit, or at least recognized his cunning and talent, he would have had a great ally and heir (not to mention survived). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rookie_Rider Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Not to mention it wasn't Stannis' to give. Very good point. And that would have meant leaving the Watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Dany's worst decision was trying to be merciful instead of simply destroying the Yunkish forces as soon as they tried to impose a siege on Meereen.Cersei's was sending Jaime away at a time when House Lannister needed to present a strong image.Ned's was not supporting Renly.Robb's was allowing himself to be crowned King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 StarksNed Went South of the Neck. Didn't he remembered the last time he had done that?Cat being a bully and not confronting Ned about his infidelity rather than harass Jon.Robb marrying JeyneSansa being tittle-tattleArya not asking Tywin, Joffrey, CerseiBran I can't find somethingRickon Nothing at all :frown5:Jon there are plenty to choose but I will choose an insignificant. Since he has all those dreams about the crypts in Winterfell why on earth he had never gone to see what is happening? This bothers me a lot since GoT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatrickStormborn Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Cat being a bully and not confronting Ned about his infidelity rather than harass Jon. 1. She did ask Ned, but he scared her into displacing her anger from him on to Jon.2. She bullied no one; she ignored Jon apart from one incident when she had not slept for days.3. Jon was never harassed by Catelyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordBloodraven Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Cat's got to be releasing Jaime.Jon Snow, sending away his most loyal men.Theon's decision to stay and rule Winterfell was terrible.Cersei? Antagonizing the Tyrells, rearming the Faith?Jaime, not saying the reasons why he killed Aerys and bitching about how people view him, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterfellRose Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 Starks Ned - not seeing what kind of person Robert became since he last seen him and agreeing to be King's HandCat - trusting Littlefinger...capturing TyrionRobb - I was going to say letting Theon go, but marrying Jeyne was worse. If he married a Frey, he would have his support and he wouldn't have a problem to go recapturing Winterfell from Theon.Sansa - not growing up sooner - letting Cersei know about Ned's planArya - naming wrong names to Jaqen, and also, going to Braavos. I wanted her to go to the Wall.Bran - hmmm...this one is hard - not listening to his mother, being at the wrong place at the wrong time, meaning seeing Jaime and Cersei and getting himself crippledJon - his dealing with fellow brothers of the Night's Watch when he became LC. He should have listened to them and explain his reasoning for what he wanted to do. Those were drastic changes he imposed for NW and he should have gained more support beforehand.Lannisters Tywin - not accepting TyrionCersei - wanting to be a man - everything she does follows from this fact. Also, rearming the Faith.Jaime - fucking his sisterTyrion - letting his cock do half his thinking...whoring, loving Shae and killing Tywin out of anger.GreyjoysTheon - remaining in WF, trusting ReekBalon - not trusting Theon, attacking the North. He should have gone against the Lannisters and attack the West.Baratheons Renly - being cocky and not supporting StannisRobert - letting the realm grow bankrupt and corruptive, in short, being a weak king, also, giving his council too much powerStannis - falling under Mel's spell others...LF - his love for Cat projected onto Sansa, thus weakening his plans, Sansa will get back to himDany - 'I MUST have this city.' Once she got the Unsullied, she should have sailed to Westeros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Housefires Posted July 8, 2012 Share Posted July 8, 2012 StarksNed - Trusting LittlefingerCatelyn - Releasing Jaime LannisterRobb - Marrying JeyneJon - Sending away all of his alliesSansa - Selling out Ned to Cersei Arya - Wasting her wishes.Bran - Climbing/Trusting Bloodraven (maybe) Rickon - Being born a StarkBrandon - Sparing Littlefinger LannistersTywin - Abusing TyrionCersei - Trying to play the game of thronesJaime - Getting captured at the Whispering WoodTyrion - Keeping Shae Kevan- Sticking around in King's LandingLancel - Joining the Faith BaratheonsRobert - Marrying CerseiStannis - Placing his faith in MelisandreRenly - Declaring himself kingJoffrey - Abusing SansaTargaryensAerys II - Opening the gate to TywinRhaeger - Not courting Lyanna like a normal personViserys - Not staying with IllyrioDaenerys - Trusting MMD/Staying in Meereen/Locking up her dragons/Turning away QuentynMartellsDoran - Placing his faith in the fucking TargsArianne - Trying to declare Myrcella queenQuentyn - Not leaving Meereen the second Dany turned him downOberyn - Letting his desire for revenge consume himGreyjoysBalon - Rebelling against RobbVictarion - Not killing the Dusky Woman/Letting his hate for Euron consume himTheon - Betraying RobbOthersGregor Clegane - Raping and killing Elia and her childrenSandor Clegane - Drinking heavily on an empty stomachLittlefinger - Kissing SansaVarys - Expecting Joffrey to forgive Ned Jeor Mormont - The Great RangingJorah Mormont - Falling for DanyBarristan Selmy - Serving DanyGerold Dayne - Calling himself Darkstar like a total wankerBeric Dondarrion - Reviving CatelynMelisandre - "WHY DOES THE FIRE KEEP SHOWING ME JON????" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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