Iron Throne succession question... [maybe spoilers]

[Aelos]

There is only one answer to question of succession: Targaryens.

Daenerys and/or Aegon (real or not) will end up on the throne, no doubt in my mind.

[cuendillar]

Even if Stannis is eliminated from the line of succession due to treason, his daughter would still be in it. If Tommen and Myrcella both die childless, she will be crowned queen by any rights. For a precedent, when Aegon II died without heirs his nephew Aegon III followed him on the throne - in spite of the latter's mother Rhaenyra losing the succession war. It's the same principle when a father takes the black or becomes a maester - his children takes his place in the line of succession.

It's possible the Lannisters wouldn't accept her, but they can't really turn to anyone else as long as Shireen hasn't kept her father's war going. Trying to crown a Lannister would never work - but they could possibly marry someone to Shireen in return for giving her the throne.

[cuendillar]

No...males before females...brothers before daughters! And I meant Tyrell, not Martell. I'm going to edit that.

You're just plain wrong here. The textual evidence is clearly showing that children inherit first.

Examples:

Cersei is Lady of Casterly Rock, not Kevan

Arnolf Karstark wanted to forcibly marry Alys, as she was heir - with male preference he wouldn't have needed to.

The Frey succession numbers cannot work out by any other means.

Targaryen's are a special case, but everywhere else in Westeros, direct descendants inherit before collateral relations.

[Dementia]

Erm...no. Because then with the Frey's it would be: Stevron, Ryman, Edwyn, Walda. Stevron and Ryman are dead. Edwyn is set to inherit. No one thinks that if Edwyn dies Walda will get the Twins...

And Alys isn't heir, Harrion is still heir as he still lives.

But it really doesn't matter, because Stannis is considered a traitor. Although, I do wonder with Tommen and Myrcella dead...would the Tyrells accept Stannis without a fight...

[mcb]

Even if Stannis is eliminated from the line of succession due to treason, his daughter would still be in it.

If Tommen and Myrcella both die childless, she will be crowned queen by any rights. For a precedent, when Aegon II died without heirs his nephew Aegon III followed him on the throne - in spite of the latter's mother Rhaenyra losing the succession war.

And on the other hand, there's the Blackfyre line, from the Targs' point of view never to be allowed on the throne.

It's the same principle when a father takes the black or becomes a maester - his children takes his place in the line of succession.

Nope. If one takes the black, or simply dies, then his children simply inherit the family estate. If, however, one's on the losing side of a rebellion, there are harsh penalties. The Tullies lost Riverrun, for example; not only Edmure personally, but House Tully.

[ab aeterno]

You're just plain wrong here. The textual evidence is clearly showing that children inherit first.

Examples:

Cersei is Lady of Casterly Rock, not Kevan

Arnolf Karstark wanted to forcibly marry Alys, as she was heir - with male preference he wouldn't have needed to.

The Frey succession numbers cannot work out by any other means.

Targaryen's are a special case, but everywhere else in Westeros, direct descendants inherit before collateral relations.

Children inherit first but all male children inherit before female children.

[E-Ro]

Yea males come first always. Also after the dance no female targ may sit the throne under targ law. So Stannis is the heir by all the laws of the realm, Robert left no trueborn children hence stannis is the lawful heir there really is no argument here. You can sit and complain about technicalities all day but it matters not. The targs were dethroned and house baratheon rules.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

There are three kind of inheritance laws in use in Westeros:

1. Dornish law: children by age, then siblings in age and up the generations, with heirs of heir 1 coming before heir 2

2. Andal law: male children by age, female children by age, male siblings in age, female siblings in age, heirs of heirs as above

3. Targaryen law: male children by age, male siblings by age. Females dead last, after the male dog of the guy who cleaned the room where the second-cousin of the last king vomited on the floor.

You could argue whether to use Targaryen law on the Iron Throne, or Andal law, as the Baratheons did and both Bob and Stannis intend to do. Either Myrcella comes after Tommen, or Stannis, or some third-rate cousing of Bobby B.

If Tommen and Myrcella die, than it's not really Cersei's decision to make. At that point, Cersei loses all power as she's not even the Queen Mother, anymore.

The final decision on succession normally falls to the Faith when no clear heir is able to be identified. Maybe in the books Gendry could be legitimized, but not in a real world scenario. There is no way to prove that he is actually Robert's son. The faith could, technically, legitimize one of Robert's acknowledged children, but it is unlikely.

If no heirs can be identified, you'd end up with a situation like Gondor in that there is a royal line, but the kindgom is run by stewards until an heir can be found.

Nope. The Faith has exactly zero say in that. The High Sparrow would like to, but he can't, as that would put him above the royal line and the Lords Paramount. Especially the North and the Iron Islands would start crusades if that shit would be allowed.

The final authority is a war between all contestants. The next to final authority is a Great Council, where all the Lords Paramounts and Great Lords discuss a solution.

[TheZone]

Wouldn't it go to Myrcella?

No Stannis would be next as law after the Dance with Dragons, but it really does not follow the Valyrian laws.

[TheMysteriousOne]

Stannis being the rightful king is debatable. To me he isn't

[Buckwheat]

No...males before females...brothers before daughters! And I meant Tyrell, not Martell. I'm going to edit that.

No, brothers before sisters. But the children of a lord come before his siblings.

For example, the succession of Casterly Rock:

Tywin

- Tywin's children: Jaime, Tyrion, Cersei

Kevan

- Kevan's children: Lancel, the twins, Janei

Genna

- Genna's children

[Golden&Crimson]

1st: Myrcella Baratheon.

2nd: Jaime Lannister.

3rd: Lancel Lannister.

4th: Martyn Lannister.

5th: Janei Lannister.

6th: Tyrek Lannister.

7th: Genna Lannister

8th: Lyonel Frey.

9th: Red Walder Frey.

10th: Daven Lannister.

11th: Cerenna Lannister.

12th: Myrielle Lannister.

13th: Damion Lannister.

14th: Lucion Lannister.

15th: Lanna Lannister.

16th: Margot Lannister.

1st edit: Made a mistake and added Tyrion, when he is a condemned King Slayer...

2nd edit: Forgot to add Genna Lannister.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

1st: Myrcella Baratheon.

2nd: Jaime Lannister.

3rd: Lancel Lannister.

4th: Martyn Lannister.

5th: Janei Lannister.

6th: Tyrek Lannister.

7th: Lyonel Frey.

8th: Red Walder Frey.

9th: Daven Lannister.

10th: Cerenna Lannister.

11th: Myrielle Lannister.

12th: Damion Lannister.

13th: Lucion Lannister.

14th: Lanna Lannister.

15th: Margot Lannister.

Edit: Made a mistake and added Tyrion, when he is a condemned King Slayer...

That's Casterly Rock, not the Iron Throne. And btw. it's wrong:

0th/current ruler: Cersei

1th Tommen

no Jaime (Kingsguard)

no Lancel (Warriors Son)

Genna Frey nee Lannister before Lionel Frey.

[King Aemon I]

If you only care about the law, Myrcella... And after that, not Stannis or his daughter, Martells would be in line since that the realm banished Aerys's descendants and ignored their claim, Martells would be in line... As the only family in Westeros with Targaryen blood other than Baratheons..

[Golden&Crimson]

That's Casterly Rock, not the Iron Throne. And btw. it's wrong:

0th/current ruler: Cersei

1th Tommen

no Jaime (Kingsguard)

no Lancel (Warriors Son)

Genna Frey nee Lannister before Lionel Frey.

No, it`s not (completly) wrong.

This is acording the andal rules of sucession.

Cersei is the current Queen Dowager and Queen Mother.

Jaime and Lancel could be free from the Oaths they make, by the suseran, great council or by theHigh Septon (aparently its even possible, if dificult, to a person escape from the Oath of the Night`s Watch).

But you are right in one thing: i forgot Genna Lannister.

[Bright Blue Eyes]

No, it`s not (completly) wrong.

This is acording the andal rules of sucession.

Cersei is the current Queen Dowager and Queen Mother.

Jaime and Lancel could be free from the Oaths they make, by the suseran, great council or by theHigh Septon (aparently its even possible, if dificult, to a person escape from the Oath of the Night`s Watch).

But you are right in one thing: i forgot Genna Lannister.

Queen Dowager and Queen Mother doesn't prevent being Lady Paramount. Neither does being king.

Currently Jaime and Lancel are out. They could develop a solution in the future, but that doesn't matter in the present.

[assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar]

Ordinarily Stannis would come before Myrcella, because after the Dance of the Dragons, females now come after all possible males. But because Stannis is a traitor, he'd be cut from succession, as would Shireen. So Myrcella comes after Tommen, and then who knows. Reinstate Stannis? Great council? Bastards? Long-lost cousins? Hard to say. The Lannisters though have NO claim; it's only through House Baratheon. So anyone mentioning Lannister cousins or whatever is emphatically incorrect.

[Hara Kiri]

Stannis can just sit in the Iron Throne if he wins the war, he's considered a traitor

the next in the succession line is Myrcella, after Myrcella I think the Throne would go for cousin Lannister (Ser Damion Lannister probably), after it's probably Lancel :dunno:

but if Robert had legitimized his bastards, probably Gendry would be there or Edric Storm

I think Stannis wants to turn Edric in his heir, legitimizes him as a Baratheon

I wonder if we'll see more of Edric in WoW, it would be cool if he will be a POV

Judging by the sample Theon Chapter from TWoW, I think Stannis wants Shireen to be his heir.

[Fire Eater]

Cersei will never let Stannis sit the Iron Throne, and she'll crown Myrcella when Tommen dies. Cersei will crown Moonboy before she lets Stannis be crowned.

[Ribupr]

Stannis is the King because he is Robert's heir. The Baratheon's are the Royal family by right of conquest.

If you believe the Targs are still the royal family, then Jon Snow (cough cough) Targaryen is the rightful king...because lets face it, Aegon is the son of Illyrio and Septa Lemore.

But IMO Stannis is the rightful king, even though I really want Jon there.