Dagon Greyjoy Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm honestly not sure but I think Hand is. They hold a seat on the council and speak with the kings voice.Ain't y'all learned nuthin' :P ;)? Power is where the folks who get things done believe it is. Depends on the Hand, the King and the Queen. Whoever actually has those who get things done under his/her thumb actually runs the Kingdom. A strong Hand over a weak King can run the kingdom in practice (a weak King too beholden to the Hand's House might be little more than a puppet). A strong, scheming Queen could have the Small Council taking orders from her: With a weak or clueless Hand and/or King, half the game is won for her already. A strong King probably can choose a loyal Hand who will run things according to his own agenda, but that's far, really far, from a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naik2902 Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 there is no constitution written. so it could be anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dagon Greyjoy Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 Food for thought: Does a constitution actually prevent those who have those who get things done under their thumb from ruling defacto?Modern people seem to believe in the rule of law in the same way feudal yokels believed in the divine right of kings. It's all always a farce, power has always and will always reside where them who get things done believe it does. That's the brilliance of Varys's political insight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Noone Sword Of The Day Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 It really depends on the King IMO. The Hand can do what the king can do however the hand needs kings permission. If the King is totally whipped than the queen would have a lot more power than the hand. Like King Jaehaerys' wife, I'm pretty sure... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanF Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 You two have given me a brilliant mental image! I'm now imagining Visenya and Rhaenys complaining to Aegon about things.Visenya - "I told you two months ago to conquer Dorne. Have you done it? I told you I wanted Dorne!"Aegon I - "Yes dear"IIRC, Martin has said that Aegon wasn't interested in administration, and delegated a great deal of his power to Visenya and Rhaenys. And, they would have had enormous prestige in any case, as dragon-riders, and co-conquerors of Westeros.In practice, I should think that the Queen, and the Hand, have as much power and influence as the King gives to them. And, that in turn would depend on the personalities and abilities of the three individuals concerned, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDMNDBAMMD Posted April 19, 2013 Share Posted April 19, 2013 I'm honestly not sure but I think Hand is. They hold a seat on the council and speak with the kings voice.Basically yes, though not every king is the same and not every hand is the same. Bloodraven ruled the kingdoms in all but name for a long while until a king that didn't like him threw him into the dungeon.Aegon Targaryen the first of his name let his two sisters rule the kingdom and only "appeared" when necessary. Good Queen Alysanne got her husband to abolish "first night" and there's no doubt that Cersei tried to rule through Robert, Joffrey etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord-Paul_Aaron Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Definitely depends on who is the hand and who is the queen and I suppose the king matters a great deal also. We forget the entire series wouldve ended in the first book if Ned did what needed to be done instead of the "right thing" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wales338 Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 Definitely depends on who is the hand and who is the queen and I suppose the king matters a great deal also. We forget the entire series wouldve ended in the first book if Ned did what needed to be done instead of the "right thing" Welcome to the forms :cheers:And I'd say the hand has more power. All of Cersei's power through Joffery comes from her being her Regent and we see while Robert is alive she doesn't have too much power. But as it is said before it all depends on those involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norrin Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 there is no constitution written. so it could be anyone.Maybe. Then again, during AFFC, in yet another stroke of brilliance, Cersei decides to appoint Orton Merryweather as Hand.“We shall have need of a new lord treasurer. If the Vale were not so unsettled, I would bring back Petyr Baelish, but... I am minded to try Ser Harys in the office. He can do no worse than Gyles, and at least he does not cough.”“Ser Harys is the King’s Hand,” said Taena.Ser Harys is a hostage, and feeble even at that. “It is time that Tommen had a more forceful Hand.”Lord Orton lifted his gaze from his wine cup. “Forceful. To be sure.” He hesitated. “Who... ?”“You, my lord. It is in your blood. Your grandsire took my own father’s place as Hand to Aerys.” Replacing Tywin Lannister with Owen Merryweather had proved to be akin to replacing a destrier with a donkey, to be sure, but Owen had been an old done man when Aerys raised him, amiable if ineffectual. His grandson was younger, and... Well, he has a strong wife. It was a pity Taena could not serve as Hand. She was thrice the man her husband was, and far more amusing. She was also Myrish-born and female, however, so Orton must needs suffice. While in truth, she would have actually favoured Taena for the role, if she could; under the presumption that her thought process is to be relied upon. Nevertheless, it would seem that even if there is no official decree forbidding women assuming the role of Hand, based on what Cersei believes, it would have at the very least, seemingly been frowned upon. But, granted, since it is Cersei thinking in the first place, I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkSnow Posted April 20, 2013 Share Posted April 20, 2013 All i can say is "Happy wife, Happy life" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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