Beorn Snow Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 After Robert´s rebellion what reasons had they to stay in the fold?History demonstrates that it is very, very hard to conquer Dorne. The Targaryens at the height of their power couldn´t. The Martells may have enjoyed joining a stronger dynasty and sharing blood, with all the prestige that entails, but Dorne lost it´s independence for merely 100 years. Why not f.x. rebel at the same time as the ironborn? Or declare independence at the same time as the north? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecryptile Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Doran Martell is just to cautious to do some thing like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Usrnmhsnomning Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 After Robert´s rebellion what reasons had they to stay in the fold?History demonstrates that it is very, very hard to conquer Dorne. The Targaryens at the height of their power couldn´t. The Martells may have enjoyed joining a stronger dynasty and sharing blood, with all the prestige that entails, but Dorne lost it´s independence for merely 100 years. Why not f.x. rebel at the same time as the ironborn? Or declare independence at the same time as the north?Because Doran was already planning to put Viserys on the Iron Throne with Arianne as his queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan Targ Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Doran Martell is just to cautious to do some thing like that.Yes. That's too much of a bold move for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor the Cuddly Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Why would he? What would he gain from being an independent Prince of Dorne over being a dependent one? He was planning to marry Arriane to Viserys and put him on the throne, he'd have much more to gain with his daughter as Queen of the Seven Kingdoms, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Duncan of Flea Bottom Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Because they knew if they asked for independence they would be attacked, they were in the loser side of the Rebellion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arataniello Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Because he wants vengeance, and revenge is a dish best served cold. Much more satisfying to wreak havoc on the Baratheons from within the Seven Kingdoms, at an unexpected time of his (Doran's) choosing, than go independent and have to wage war to exact revenge for Elia, Aegon and Rhaenys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor the Cuddly Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Because they knew if they asked for independence they would be attacked, they were in the loser side of the RebellionOf course, they could simply clog the Prince's Pass and Yronwood territory with Dornish spears and keep them out for some time, and when that eventually fails, retreat to the desert where the men from the north will die in droves due to the heat. It worked against Aegon iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon's Queen Consort Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Doran Martell is just to cautious to do some thing like that. this. also with independance the revenge wouldn't be the same Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor the Cuddly Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 this. also with independance the revenge wouldn't be the sameBasically. "Hah! We showed you! Sorta... You know, not that it is much of a change from the status quo since we were kinda left to our own devices anyways... Um... Take that!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swan Targ Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Doran wants vengeance against all Lannisters. Dorne being independent doesn't do enough damage.It goes way deeper than that for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Doran Martell is just to cautious to do some thing like that.Exactly. And Doran was already planning on his daughter being Visery's Queen, and later Quentyn being Daenerys' King/Consort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor227 Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 It's not just a caution thing. War isn't cheap or easy. As Doran points out, a lot of Dorne's power rests simply in the bravado of 'Unbent, Unbowed, Unbroken'. Yes, Dorne could survive and win a war for independence in the long run, but they would be invaded. The mountain passes would bleed invaders, but by sea most settlements would fall rather easily, like in the Young Dragon's conquest. Eventually of course, it would be impossible to hold Dorne, they'd throw out the invaders, and win the war, but before that there would be immense suffering, pillaging, sackings, it would not be a fun time.I'm sure that if King Robert had pressed down on Dorne after the war, they'd have revolted. But he didn't. In fact they had a very 'hands-off' policy regarding the Dornishmen. They were basically independent as is, and benefited from trade and political connections to the Seven Kingdoms that probably compensated for the limited fealty owed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggs Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Well that would mean a bloody war and Dorne wouldn't have the power to crush the lannisters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batman Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Most characters seem to hold the belief that Robert would have crushed them. Barristan, Quentyn and Doran express this. The reason the young dragon failed was because he left a Tyrell in charge. If he had let the Martells rule or given the Yronwoods power his conquests may have held. Jon Arryn would know this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion of Judah Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 And suffer the same faith as the Iron Islands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Commander Tollett Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Because working secretly behind the scenes for the ultimate revenge is way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeRhaegar Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 in the words of michael corleone "keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer" doing that and they wouldn't have gotten revenge for elia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrunderhill Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Robert is a legendary commander every bit as impressive as the Young Dragon. Don't let his fall from grace taint what he was. Stannis himself is a formidable commander and he knows he cannot compare to his brother. Robert won victories outnumbered 5 to 1. Dorne' chances of standing against him bringing all 6 kingdoms against him is not good. Made worse when you consider Dorne had losses, but the Tyrells and Lannisters had very few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maegor the Cuddly Posted May 6, 2013 Share Posted May 6, 2013 Robert is a legendary commander every bit as impressive as the Young Dragon. Don't let his fall from grace taint what he was. Stannis himself is a formidable commander and he knows he cannot compare to his brother. Robert won victories outnumbered 5 to 1. Dorne' chances of standing against him bringing all 6 kingdoms against him is not good. Made worse when you consider Dorne had losses, but the Tyrells and Lannisters had very few.I think the issue isn't is Robert able to take it, it's is it worth it. Aegon the freaking Conqueror didn't think it was worth it after a while... And we don't exactly know how the Dragon took Dorne do we? They may have decided against a guerilla war that worked against Aegon, but what if they did the same against Robert?I think Dorne could stand a chance against Robert and the IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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