King Robert's Warhammer Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 This is my first topic thread so be gentle folks :) ........and apologies if this has been up before.We all know that "the seed is strong" and all Robert's bastards have thick black hair and the book of the great families points out that the Baratheon gene is generally dominant. However, would that have been enough? Is it not pretty circumstantial evidence? The Maesters don't yet have dna testing etc.If it hadn't all gone wrong and Ned or John Arryn had lived and presentedtheir evidence to Robert then it would likely have gone to a trial by combat which Jaime would have won in all probability and they would have been exonerated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The guy from the Vale Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 No, it is not enough in and of itself, which is why Ned needed Cersei's confession before proceedding to act against her.Which, by the way, is the reason why Ned's meeting with Cersei in the Godswood was necessary, from Ned's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dornishman's Wife Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Would the evidence stand up... well, you don't need to convince a neutral court that there is no reasonable doubt, you just need to make Robert believe it. And Robert knows how his bastards look, he knows how J&C's kids look, he doesn't like Cersei, he doesn't like Jaime, and I think he would just go in RAWR mode. No trial by combat - if the twins don't manage to flee or kill him first, then they're dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mladen Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Well, as we already know, the looks isn`t enough. Stannis realized that when he accused Cersei of incest to entire Westeros. Some may have believed, others didn`t. In your case, I believe Robert would be so angry and he will wait no trial, just like Targaryen babies didn`t get trial. If he got the slightest doubt that Cersei is cheating on him, he would have beaten her and perhaps got the truth. and then he would kill them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Contemplative Brother Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 I don't think (in Westeros) you could really prove it. Heck, some of Ned Stark's own children look more like Tullys (auburn hair and blue eyes) than Starks, that doesn't mean Catelyn had incest with another Tully. The books I think do try to make clear that every Baratheon for generations (not to mention all of Robert's bastards) has had black hair. That's why Stannis and Jon Arryn bacame so suspicious. But no, I don't think there's a way to prove it short of Cersei or Jamie confessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommens Cat Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Would the evidence stand up... well, you don't need to convince a neutral court that there is no reasonable doubt, you just need to make Robert believe it. And Robert knows how his bastards look, he knows how J&C's kids look, he doesn't like Cersei, he doesn't like Jaime, and I think he would just go in RAWR mode. No trial by combat - if the twins don't manage to flee or kill him first, then they're dead.This.The king can disinherit for any reason really, whether people agree or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvo Attano Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Due to the rather ridiculous genetics of Westeros, Baratheons have jet-black hair 99 times out of 100. The hair colour is fairly strong evidence, but Ned needed Cersei's confession to be sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Robert's Warhammer Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 But crucially he would have had John/Ned to restrain him and there is also the Tywin factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Robert's Warhammer Posted May 27, 2013 Author Share Posted May 27, 2013 And Cersei would never have confessed in a million years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommens Cat Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 And Cersei would never have confessed in a million years.His deal to have her leave would due to prove her guilt, which is why I guessed he purposes it. Rather than use renly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ser Thormond Greystark Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Would Robert have actually killed the children or just Jaime and Cersei and expelled the kids. It's not like any of them could return to pretend (as Lannisters!). I've a feeling the gentle nature of Myrcella and Tommen would save Joffrey and land them in the Free cities somewhere such as Myr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nossus Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 Would Robert have actually killed the children or just Jaime and Cersei and expelled the kids. It's not like any of them could return to pretend (as Lannisters!). I've a feeling the gentle nature of Myrcella and Tommen would save Joffrey and land them in the Free cities somewhere such as Myr.I'm almost absolutely sure they'd be killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fallen Posted May 27, 2013 Share Posted May 27, 2013 ` Coming from Ned, Robert would have believed it. All you have to do is look at them. Golden curls, green eyes. None of them big and brawny like Robert. And if you put them up against Mya Stone, Edrick Storm and Gendry No-Last-Name, it's official! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowsKnight Posted May 28, 2013 Share Posted May 28, 2013 It turns into this thread:http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/76240-robert-versus-cersei-trial-by-the-seven/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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