Fightbringer Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 This may belong in the small questions thread but i'm unsure if any actually knows this for sure, as i dont think its ever clarified in the books (at least i cant remember) My question is this: Which of the Seven Kingdoms are actually counted as kingdoms, as there are eight kingdoms, not including the crownlands and dragonstone.The only ones in the eight are the riverlands and dorne. Here's whya ) The Riverlands wasnt actually a kingdom at the time of conquest, instead being under the control of the Ironborn, backed up by the TV show when it mentions 'making the eight' (admittedly this is not fully cannon)b ) Dorne didnt become part of the seven kingdoms until later and it wasnt technically a 'kingdom' in the literal sense it is a princedom. Its possible the name of the Seven Kingdoms just stuck before Dorne was added and they didnt change it to accommodate the change. We never hear of it being called the six kingdoms up until then.third option i guess is the iron islands and riverlands count as one together even though they have different lords paramount cos they were one kingdom at the time of conquest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Ro Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Northvalereachwesterlandsstormlandsiron islandsdorneETA Westeros is called the seven kingdoms because there are seven of them. The riverlands was never a kingdom, it was controlled by various other factions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minsc Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 1. The North2. The Vale3. The Iron Islands4. The Westerlands5. The Reach6. The Stormlands7. DorneThe Riverlands never had an unified separate monarch, with them otherwise being controlled by the Iron Kings or the Storm Kings until Aegon I and the rise of House Tully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tydides Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 The North (Torrhen Stark)The Iron Islands (Harren Greyjoy)The Vale (Ronnel Arryn)The Westerlands (Loren Lannister)The Stormlands (Argilac Durrendon)The Reach (Mern Gardener)Dorne (Mariya Martell)The Riverlands were held by the Iron Islands and the Crownlands was ruled by several petty kings, including the Darklyns, but was mainly used as a buffer zone for the wars between the Stormlands, The Iron Islands, and I think the Reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bright Blue Eyes Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 ETA Westeros is called the seven kingdoms because there are seven of them. The riverlands was never a kingdom, it was controlled by various other factions.The "never" part is wrong. It's just the couple centuries immediately preceding the Conquest where it was under the Stormlords' or Ironborn control.The number shifted a hundred times as well over the generations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 I can see how this confuses people. The Targaryens called themselves "Kings of The Seven Kingdoms" even before Drone joined them. It was probably to show that they either wanted it or wont recognize it as anything other than a region under their rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Napyura Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Kingdom of the NorthKingdom of the Vale and SkyKingdom of the RockKingdom of the ReachKingdom of the StormlandsKingdom of the Iron IslandsAre the official 6 Large Kingdoms that Aegon conquered.The possible 7th could've been:Kingdom of Duskendale 1st/2nd kingdom that was officially takenKingdom of the River altho it was taken 360 years before Aegon by Stormlords then Ironborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanali Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 The North (Torrhen Stark)The Iron Islands (Harren Greyjoy)The Vale (Ronnel Arryn)The Westerlands (Loren Lannister)The Stormlands (Argilac Durrendon)The Reach (Mern Gardener)Dorne (Mariya Martell)The Riverlands were held by the Iron Islands and the Crownlands was ruled by several petty kings, including the Darklyns, but was mainly used as a buffer zone for the wars between the Stormlands, The Iron Islands, and I think the Reach.Harren the Black was a Hoare not a Greyjoy actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalalOfDorne Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Harren the Black was a Hoare not a Greyjoy actually.Yes. The Greyjoys were chosen after they bent the knee to Aegon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 The "never" part is wrong. It's just the couple centuries immediately preceding the Conquest where it was under the Stormlords' or Ironborn control.The number shifted a hundred times as well over the generationsi think it was house Mud that controlled it before house Hoare ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightbringer Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 people generally tend to be saying the riverlands, thanks for the clarification Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkaggCannibal Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 It is North, Vale, Westerlands, Riverlands, Stormlands, Reach and Dorne. Riverlands were an occupied kingdom untill the Targaryens freed it. I don't believe people view the Iron Islands as the 7th kingdom as they don't play a part in the kingdom as all the others do, they are outcast and they are very small. But the naming shouldn't be viewed literally, seven is a magic number so they would just change the way of counting as fits the magic number. In reality, there really are 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fightbringer Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 i think it was house Mud that controlled it before house Hoare ?they were the last first men kings of the riverlands i believe, i think its possible the riverlands had its own andal kings for a while, and i think its mentioned that various kingdoms controlled it over the generations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tydides Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Harren the Black was a Hoare not a Greyjoy actually.he was? im sorry. i dont remember that. where were they from? pyke or old wyk or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegonTargaryen Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 It is North, Vale, Westerlands, Riverlands, Stormlands, Reach and Dorne. Riverlands were an occupied kingdom untill the Targaryens freed it. I don't believe people view the Iron Islands as the 7th kingdom as they don't play a part in the kingdom as all the others do, they are outcast and they are very small. But the naming shouldn't be viewed literally, seven is a magic number so they would just change the way of counting as fits the magic number. In reality, there really are 8.I was under the same impression. Seems like the consensus is different though :S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 It is North, Vale, Westerlands, Riverlands, Stormlands, Reach and Dorne. Riverlands were an occupied kingdom untill the Targaryens freed it. I don't believe people view the Iron Islands as the 7th kingdom as they don't play a part in the kingdom as all the others do, they are outcast and they are very small. But the naming shouldn't be viewed literally, seven is a magic number so they would just change the way of counting as fits the magic number. In reality, there really are 8.The Iron Islands are one of the Seven Kingdoms.* They controlled the Riverlands at the time of the conquest and before them it was controlled by the Storm Kings I believe. It wasn't an occupied kingdom, it was conquered land. The "Seven Kingdoms" no longer exist as they are now divided up into 9 regions.*The only thing in the text that springs to mind that contradicts this is Joffrey getting a seven sided goblet with 7 sigils on it and he jokes about replacing the direwolf with the kraken. I think GRRM may be undecided on which of the regions he means by "Seven Kingdoms" to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 he was? im sorry. i dont remember that. where were they from? pyke or old wyk or what?I don't think we're told but it's unlikely to be Pyke. Harren intended to rule from Harrenhal anyway. The Hoares died out with him and his sons, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Bobby B Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 The Riverlands were a kingdom ruled by House Mudd (remember King Tristifer?) until they were overtaken by the Storm Kings and the Iron Islanders (at various times). At the time of Aegon's Conquest, they were ruled by Harren the Black, King of the Iron Islands, who intended to rule his kingdom from Harrenhal but was roasted by dragons before he could do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lady Nastja Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 1. Dorne2. The Vale3. The Westerlands4. Iron Islands5. Stormlands6. The North7. The ReachThe Riverlands was never a unified kingdom, but was ruled by the Iron Kings or Storm Kings up until Aegon's Landing and House Tully becoming the Paramounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blede Posted July 7, 2013 Share Posted July 7, 2013 Kingdom of the NorthKingom of Mountain and ValeKingdom of the Isles and RiversKingdom of the RockKingdom of the ReachKingdom of the StormlandsPrincedom of DorneThey were the seven polities which Westeros was divided in at the time of Aegon's Conquest (the Riverlands were ruled by the Ironborn, and the Crownlands were divided between the Ironborn and the Stormlands). He created the expression (as the "Lord of the Seven Kingdoms" title) to claim rule over all Westeros (he didn't conquer Dorne, but he still claimed it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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