Theories you don't buy into.

[King of Winters]

Ned mother was Targ.

I don't mind if there were paring between Targs and Starks in the past, like maybe Aenys I with a Stark bride and Egg with one, but not Ned's mother.

[The Dornishman's Wife]

Yes, most theories about her I can't stand.

Well, the good thing is that at most one of these theories can be true. And quite possibly none is true.

[The Red Melli]

I think that if Melisandre felt that she had to burn Shireen to resurrect Jon, she would.

I doubt that.

Melisandre isn't dumb I don't think she comes with the idea: "Hey let's drip Shireen's blood on Jon maybe that would work"

[King of Winters]

Well, the good thing is that at most one of these theories can be true. And quite possibly none is true.

The only one I like is the Howland+Ashara theory, and that's it.

[TheMysteriousOne]

I doubt that.

Melisandre isn't dumb I don't think she comes with the idea: "Hey let's drip Shireen's blood on Jon maybe that would work"

But if she felt that she had to, she'd do it. That is Melisandre; she believes in the 'greater good' and will do anything to achieve it.

[Northernmonkey]

I think that if Melisandre felt that she had to burn Shireen to resurrect Jon, she would.

No way. Stannis wouldn't allow it and Melisandre never disobeys Stannis. Even if Stannis wasn't there she knows that he wouldn't forgive her.

[tydides]

the one that Dany is actually a sane person, good leader and a responsible dragon owner.

This theory I find the most fun to read about. Its advocates are always entertaining too.

[TheMysteriousOne]

No way. Stannis wouldn't allow it and Melisandre never disobeys Stannis. Even if Stannis wasn't there she knows that he wouldn't forgive her.

Only if she still believes that Stannis is AA at that point.

[The Red Melli]

But if she felt that she had to, she'd do it. That is Melisandre; she believes in the 'greater good' and will do anything to achieve it.

She would most likely seek for help if she can't do it alone.

I think she knows experimenting with Jon's body to revive him isn't going to be helpful and will be a waste of time.

[TheMysteriousOne]

She would most likely seek for help if she can't do it alone.

I think she knows experimenting with Jon's body to revive him isn't going to be helpful and will be a waste of time.

What if she sees in her visions that that is the only way to revive Jon? She would definitely do it, in that case.

[The Weirwoods Eyes]

When was Coldhands said to be "very old"?

There are those, and I was one of them, who take Leaf's statement that "They [the Others/wights] killed him [Coldhands] long ago" to mean that she absolutely had to mean longer than a couple of years. Then I simply realized that the idea that Leaf absolutely had to mean tens, hundreds, or thousands of years ago instead of just a couple of years when she said "long ago" is just as big of an assumption as anything else. It certainly isn't the slam-dunk, smoking gun "proof" that Coldhands could never be Benjen that some people make it out to be.

I believe they killed him long ago, given the CotF longevity means at least a hundred or so years. But this is not the thread to argue that.

[The Red Melli]

What if she sees in her visions that that is the only way to revive Jon? She would definitely do it, in that case.

Then there's a big chance she would do it.

But I doubt GRRM would write that in WoW.

And I think she knows about the "resurrection process" I mean in the show Thoros and Melisandre meet eachother and talked about the resurrection of Beric.

This might be a spoiler for what will happen in WoW.

[Prince of the North]

I believe they killed him long ago, given the CotF longevity means at least a hundred or so years. But this is not the thread to argue that.

But why must Leaf's time reference be tied to her length of life? It's certainly alright to approve of that assumption but it's still an assumption nonetheless.

[The Weirwoods Eyes]

The theory that Melisandre will burn Shireen to revive Jon ...

YES totally without grounds, the Kiss of fire is a "last rights" ritual which Thoros states he had seen done a thousand times it apears to just be the last rights of the followers of R'hllor, I do believe that Mel has had it done to her and ditto most red priests as at least her, Beric/Cat and Morroquo appear to not require sustenance nor sleep. BUT he says that he had never Seen it work nor did he expect it to. I don't think most Red Priests are privy to the possibility that it can resurrect life. Mainly because I believe that the Red Priests are the magical element not the religion itself. Is Mel in possession of enough magical abillity to resurrect Jon? I don't think so. Maybe I am wrong but I am not convinced she is. Thoros simply holds more innate magical abillity that he was aware of. And in any case the Kiss of fire DOES NOT INVOLVE BURING ANYONE.

[The Dornishman's Wife]

I believe they killed him long ago, given the CotF longevity means at least a hundred or so years

Leaf doesn't say that one night at the campfire in storytelling mode, but as a reply to Bran whether he should worry that the wights would kill Coldhands right now. Frankly, a week ago would have been long in that context. 3 years definitely are.

[The Weirwoods Eyes]

But why must Leaf's time reference be tied to her length of life? It's certainly alright to approve of that assumption but it's still an assumption nonetheless.

It does'nt I simply don't think that is the case, as do many others. No one is right or wrong in this... yet

[The Dornishman's Wife]

It does'nt I simply don't think that is the case, as do many others. No one is right or wrong in this... yet

I don't understand. Do you believe that GRRM hasn't decided yet?

[The Weirwoods Eyes]

No, just that we as readers don't yet know what "long ago" means and until GRRM reveals it we can't decide. I personally do't think Coldhands is Benjen, others do.

[Tharvot]

I'll list some of the main ones:

1. A good amount of the GNC.

2. Any Lannisters are Sekrit Targs.

3. Any theory the proclaims certain individuals as AA.

4. Any theory that argues Mel will burn Shireen.

5. Any theory that believes Coldhands=Benjen.

Co-sign

[Prince of the North]

But...upthread you said this:

I believe they killed him long ago, given the CotF longevity means at least a hundred or so years. But this is not the thread to argue that.

To which I answered this:

But why must Leaf's time reference be tied to her length of life? It's certainly alright to approve of that assumption but it's still an assumption nonetheless.

And your answer was this:

It does'nt I simply don't think that is the case, as do many others. No one is right or wrong in this... yet

So, I'm a little confused. Do you think because Leaf happens to be long-lived she absolutely had to mean longer than a couple of years ago when she said "They killed him long ago" of Coldhands or not?

And don't get me wrong - it's fine to believe almost anything at this point with regard to Coldhands' former identity. It's just that I really, really disagree that Leaf absolutely had to mean longer than a couple of years when she said "long ago" just because she happens to live a long time.