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  1. My first bolded sentence from the quote highlights that Barristan knows the man who dishonoured her; a much used turn of phrase I historical & romance novels particularly to mean had sex with outside of marriage, and that he died before Ashara's own death. Because he thinks she may have done it in part in grief for him. So it can not be Ned or any other man who survived the war. The second part poses the question, what good would have come of telling her he loved her? Non he concludes as he would not have acted upon them due to his vows. But he then reflects that no good came of his silence either, ie: She ended up pregnant disgraced and grieving before eventually her death. He then poses the idea that had he won the tourney and crowned her QoL&B she might have looked to him instead of Stark. He is very clearly thinking about the what ifs of if he had declared his feelings and acted upon them by crowning her QoL&B, would she have fucked me? instead of Stark. He's thought of the fact he was celibate, dismissed that as irrelevant compared to the events that transpired as a result of him not telling her he loved her, and thought about what might have happened differently had he not made that choice to remain silent. She might have "looked to" him instead and what was she looking for? clearly romance/love/sex as she ended up pregnant. She didn't look to Stark for a spare pint of milk and perhaps a loan of his lawnmower did she! So we know now that the man she fucked was a Stark an that he died before she did. ergo it was Brandon. There really is no getting around that and when you try to make out that it is ambiguous you just look foolish. There is nothing ambiguous about it, Barristan thinks that she died because of her grief, over the dead baby and dead lover, Barristan recalls why he never declared his own feelings for her; because he could not act upon them, but then concludes that seeing as bad things happened despite him not acting on his feelings that perhaps he should have. He then fantasises that had he won the tourney she might have fucked him instead of Stark. Now you can say ah! but does look to mean have sex with, and I can point out that given the result of her looking to Stark was a pregnancy then yes. We almost certainly can. People seriously need to give it up already trying to argue Ashara's lover as anyone but Brandon Stark
  2. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Lady dies in Sansa's first POV chapter, so we never get to experience if she wolf dreams. However given that GRRM has stated she is a warg too; they all are, we can guess that she may have also already begun the bond. Here I've gathered together some post Lady's death moments when Sansa might have been re-living old wolf dreams in her sleep. AGOT Sansa III Here she has awoken from a dream and Lady was in it, she even sense her spirit as such in the room when she awakes. Lady was with her in her dream, and they were running together. Almost all the early wolf dreams involve the child in side the wolf whilst the wolf is running. This could simply be Sansa's immature logic-ing away of that factor, the she is Lady in the dreams, instead she says to herself she is with Lady. And then there is this in clash ACOSK Sansa II Now obviously Sansa can know full well Lady would love the godswood for it's rich smells because she knows a wolf enjoys such things. But I think GRRM has gifted us another clue here. That Sansa knows Lady would have loved it here; in the Godswood, because she has smelled those smells of earth woodsy-ness through Lady's nose and felt deep inside how the wolf loved the smells. Because when you think superficially that your dog would live the woods the smells are not the reason that springs to mind. To me I think Oh he would love the space to run, the birds to flush from shrubs and undergrowth. The weaving through trees and jumping over fallen logs. Because we think from our own senses and our experience of watching our pets comes from observing them. We might think as a secondary idea oh and the smells must be nice for them too. But here Sansa thinks first of the woods from lady's own sensory POV. Then in Storm, ASOS Sansa IV So another dream where she is running "with" Lady through the Godswood. Then there is this it is not exactly a wolf dream, but it is the linking of dreams to her inner wolf. ASOS Sansa VII So its been set up by her waking from a dream of home, Winterfell. And then we are given this scene in which she goes out into the snow and she drifts past; a word that evokes a soundless movement like a wolf in the snow, trees and shrubs; which again brings to mind the wolves passing through woods which is a key feature of the direwolf dreams. She turns her face up to the sky; like a wolf howling at the moon, and she then has a sensory experience feeling and tasting the snow. Like a wolf using heightened senses, and what do our Starks taste a lot when they are wolf dreaming? Blood of course. Here Sansa is evoking her blood - the blood of Winterfell, which she uses to remind herself who she is throughout the latter books whilst she is masquerading as Alayne. And then GRRM tells us this is the taste of dreams. So he's had her being a wolf and then he tells us this is the taste of her dreams. Right after he had her dream a dream of home. Two other things I'll mention, when she went to meet Dontos she thinks of Lady again as she clutches her knife in the Godswood. And thinks how Lady could sniff out a lie. So in a way she is drawing on Lady to help her discern if Dontos is telling it true. Then later Joffrey says that she has the wolf of a Blood. So yes it is a bit scanty but there is evidence that she had wolf dreams, and yes she is definitely still a warg capable of taking a familiar.
  3. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    OK, you are saying here my example of Rohanne is a bad example because YOU think she is the ghost of high heart? Do you see how yet again you are taking your own opinions as facts and thinking those opinions trump the text? Rohanne has no magical abilities when we meet her. Years later she disappears. So what? All this means is that GRRM does not wish to provide us with her fate yet. Which implies she will appear again in another D&E story. Mirri performs the Blood magic spell to bring Drogo back to life. Not to keep him youthfull. I apologise as I had forgotten he was in a bath. However the thing with MMD is that we can not and should not take at face value what she does and says. Especially in this scene. She has magic and she does some form of magic in the tent and Drogo is brought back to life; though lacking his mind. That does not mean that the bath of blood did jack shit. But we do know that she has an intent when she performs this ritual, and that that intent is to scare the shit out of Dany & the Dothraki; because she uses the fear powder Mel later tells us about in ADWD. ADWD Danaerys VIII She stresses that no one should peek behind the curtain...sorry enter the tent. And then sheuses the fear powder and from outside of the tent Dany; who has inhaled that powder see's dancing shadows on the tents canvas. Then Drogo is alive again sand mind. Do not assume the blood did a jot. After all we know from Sam AGOT Jon IV That bathing in blood did fuck all. Warlocks from Qarth being another group of people throughout the books who are full of shit and like to give out the impression that they are far more powerful than they really are. So no the bathing in blood is no closer to being a true magic than previously. Maybe MMD really needed that blood? Maybe she did something else entirely? Maybe the shadows where a result of inhaling the fear powder? Maybe they were shadow magic and separate to the blood ritual, again used to impress and terrify the Dothraki? Non of it shows Blood bathing to hold specific magical powers. Egg was not telling us what Shiera does he was relaying a rumour, just as he was doing about Rohanne too. Or do you think Shiera invited the small child to her chamber to watch her bathe in blood. Egg shows throughout that he has a childs curiosity and fascination with the macabre. He is not however a primary resource. What Mellisandre is doing is shadow binding. She is drawling his life force via his sperm and creating shadows of him; identical to him remember Brienne says she saw Stannis, to perform specific time limited tasks. After which the shadows dissipate. There is no evidence that Serenei was doing a similar thing. You need text to back it up not just an idea. The flesh worms are the indication Aegon's death was unnatural. But we've not seen anything relating flesh worms to Mellisandre's magical man essence drawing. Nor any evidence that she could transform the shadows of adult carbon copies of the man she fucks into a real life flesh and blood baby. Nor has the author provided a clue by say a rumour that as Serneei's pregnancy progressed Aegon's health failed. nope. We have no evidence to suggest that Serenei was 69, that she was Larra or that magic can prolong a womans fertility. You can't simply have whatever you want either. The magic in world has some loose rules. It isn't just a matter of how high a price do you want to pay. Again don't take MMD at face value. There is a reason she tries to convince Dany that she has caused her own sons death. She's just fucked up a spell to bring Drogo back to life, she knows that without him Dany has no power over the Dothraki and she will be raped and killed. She has also just fucked up the delivery of Dany's baby; who was deformed and destined to die as all other dragon babies have, she knows there is nothing left to cling onto and her death is coming so she tries to persuade Dany who still has a modicum of control over the dothraki who have remained. That she was not responsible for the babies death. D any notes the moment when her face changes from contempt to feat. when she realises she is fucked no matter what she says to Dany now. And this is when MMD gets really nasty in what she says. Craser is not sacrificing his sons in a salacious vanity driven hammer horror blood bath. Craster isn't sacrificing his sons at all. He's leaving them for the Others. GRRM isn't being sexist he is using in world sexism to add flowers to his garden. It is another way of layering up truth and lies for the reader to work their way through. Really! To who? or do you think the gods exist? Why when all other methods we see in world of increasing ones magical abillity come through hard work, dedication, study, and time spent practicing? Likewise just because you think it is does not make it true. Name me one incident in the text where we see a character maintaining their youth and beauty by doing this. Not a rumour but see it on page? Again discerning the truth in the story comes not from what we personally think is cool or might happen, but from studying the text and piecing it together through clues. We have met no one who really does this. And the stories are passed around through third and more hand gossip involving young beautiful women who hold power or position in a world that denies women power and status except through men. Via a super tropey method. And when we meet one of these women she is shown to be nothing of the sort. This is unsupported. The only magics we learn of as real in the world which can alter your appearance are glamour & skinwearing. The only magic we learn of which can stall aging is fire wighting. Which is actually a form of necromancy. Glamour is known to be known to a character associated with Shiera via BR. Skinwearing is yet to be seen outside of the FM; though I suspect House Bolton may have historically practiced a form of it. And if she were a fire wight she would not be able to bear a real living child. As her body would not be living. IF Quaithe turns out to be Shiera I'd expect GRRM to give us an explanation at that point as to how she has lived this long. I'd suggest going on what we currently know in world about magic that she'd be a fire wight. As opposed to genuinely alive and youthful due to blood bathing. BR is only alive due to the tree, it acts as a life support system for his ancient body. Mellisandre is much older than she appears; practically confirmed by the actress who played her in GOT through what she said she was told in early seasons about her, Mellisandre however has all the hallmarks of a fire wight. No one else has popped up who has a confirmed unnatural life span. And we have never seen anyone bathing in actual blood to keep young.
  4. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    All of this maths is unimportant. The sole purpose of this reference to Ser Arlan is to link the house Stokeworth with the bastard of harrenhall. We could spend all day working out how old certain people might be at what ever point. But ultimately bring it back to the text. The author has provided a link between Stokeworth and Bastardy and Harrenhall. That is it.
  5. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    How does GRRM linking Stokeworth and a bastard in Harrenhall prove that LF is a descendant? or why he was besotted with Cat; never Lysa. Or that house Whent was descended from the bastard of Harrenhall or why this Whent took part in the bringing down of house Lothston? All this piece of Info GRRM has given us does is establish a link between house Stokeworth and the Bastard of Harrenhall. That link is Falena or Jeyne. And we should first work out which of those women it is. Firstly though Falena has the more direct link to house Stokeworth as Jeyne is officially and may well in fact be a Lothston. GRRM has however given us a further clue in who the bastard of Harrenhall's mother was because he told us what dates Aegon travelled frequently to Harrenhall after Falena was made Lady Lothston in 151. He went there often for two years. Bringing us up to 153AC. After that he shows no interest in Falena until Aegon names her husband Lucus HotK in 178AC. At which point she is 53 years old. He also places Aegon out of the country in the period in which Jeyne Lothston was conceived. In 161AC Naerys nearly dies in childbirth, Aegon is sent to Braavos where he conducts a decade long affair with Bellegere, in 171 Naerys gives birth again. There are no known bastards born to Aegon in Westeros between Rosey in 158 & Daemon in 170. This means Aegon was likely in Braavos whilst Jeyne was conceived. Now there are rumours but as we know rumours can spring up despite being impossible.( Jon is rumoured to be Ashara Dayne's son but is far too young to have been conceived at Harrenhall. And Ned would find it impossible to hook up with her whilst campaigning in the Riverlands which was the time period Jon would be conceived in; given his proximity in age to Robb. But never the less people believe this rumour. ) We also know as I have given several references now, that people love a good salacious rumour and what is more salacious than a king bedding his own daughter in a threesome with her mum? Why would Aegon want to sleep with 53 year old Falena? let alone why would 53 year old Falena want to sleep with the now fat and poxy Aegon? Jeyne is a child of 14 and can perhaps be manipulated, persuaded, and coerced into his bed by him or her Mum, if she is still seeking courtly favour. But the threesome idea sounds like something straight from the gossip mongers guide book. Again I'm going to reference Mushroom, tall tales full of vice and sleaze. But take it all with a pinch of salt. So we have a rumour that Falena gave Aegon a child coupled with impossible or at least unlikely dates, the author has provided text links between Falena's house and bastardy in Harrenhall, and created a character who is supposedly her husbands son - who was an adult of fighting age when a child of Falena's and Aegons (born around 153/4AC) would have been. Then he gives that Character a link to another of Aegon's bastards via the black hood. Well I'd say that breadcrumb trail brings us to Falena having passed a son of Aegons off as Lucus Lothstons making Manfryd Lothston o'the black hood in fact Aegon's son. And as I explained before the name Manfred even has it's own links to incest via Byron's poem of the same name being supposedly about his incestuous affair with his own sister. Do you see how I've explored the evidence and cross referenced it to come to that conclusion. Rather than just seeing a vague link and making my own assumptions. This idea was arrived at through exploring the text and cross referencing ideas, searching key words and examining what came up in the text. etc. The bastard of Harrenhall may well be Manfryd, people may well have suspected him as being Aegon's son. GRRM has not given us any direct references to this rumour if that is the case. In 193 to be jousting he'd have to be at least 20 or so but could be up to his 60's even as Barristan still jousts. He could simply be Manfyrds bastard though, or Lucus's. I'd say more than anything he is a device to get the reader to link bastards in Harrenhall with house Stokeworth. But non of that explains how house When are descended from the Lothstons. I agree there is a chance they are the Bats are a link. But it is in no way proven by Arlan unhorsing a Stokeworth and the bastard. Nor does that prove LF is related to them. Nor why LF is obsessed with Cat; that has it's own in story explanation already. He fancied her and was denied her due to his low birth. No this does not explain why or how the bastard of Harrenhall travelled to Braavos; because that has only happened in your own imagination. There is no in text suggestion at all that this ever happened. Nor is there any that Bellegere would know if Aegon fathered Jeyne Lothston. You have decided Aegon liked threesomes based on a salacious rumour which I've just shown should not be taken as fact. But Bellegere is not said to have come to Westeros not Falena to Braavos. Interestingly the name Lucus Lothston has been given as a nick name The Pander has an archaic meaning of pimp. The Pimp. Could be taken if you had some other evidence to back it as a link to Peytr Baelish. Who is of course a pimp. But it could also be taken to imply he was the one who pimped out Jeyne to Aegon and given that this is something other hands have done; tried to make their own daughter the Kings mistress, then I'd suggest this is the better explanation. Which then removes the now 53 year old Falena from the union between Aegon and Jeyne even more as it implies her father not her mother placed her in Aegon's bed. This next bit is again you taking your own theory as fact and using it to bolster your theory. Bellegere's grandfather was sealord in probably the 140-170's. assuming she is in her mid twenties when she meets Aegon and her own father is about 25 years older than her. A Sealord serves for life meaning her grandad may still be sealord when Aegon serves as an envoy in fact this makes sense as where else would he meet a privateer in Braavos? If she is visiting the sealords palace to see her grandfather then she has opportunity to meet Aegon. So 100 -130 or so years after Elissa Farman sells the eggs you think the same family are living in the sealords palace? And that the curent Sealord is also of that same family? Do I need to point out again here that the Sealord is not a hereditary title. We have already established that we don't know what the sealord gave Penny & her brother. But I'll point out again gift singular and the utter madness of giving a dwarf mummers act three of the most expensive luxury items in the known world. You say the bastard or his son might have travelled to Braavos to retrieve the three eggs sold to a sealord in 54AC. Why would he even know of the eggs? what evidence was there that he knew? what evidence is there that he ever left Westeros? What evidence is there that Bellegere's grandfather ever had them? What evidence is there that he; the bastard, had a child with an Otherys? What evidence is there that LF descends from that coupling? All of this is nothing more than your own imagination. Could have doesn't cut it in here. Cersei could have crossed the narrow sea and come to Dany in the guise of Quathe but nothing in the text suggests it. Ned could have skinchanged a pigeon, Arya might secretly be a boy...you see these bizare theories have all been put to us over the years. Without evidence grounded in the text anyone can claim anything. Non of this ties LF to house Whent or to the Black Pearls. Essentially you have decided that Jeyne's son who we have no evidence existed, was the man known in 193 as the bastard of Harrenhall; but he was hiding as someone else's bastard, travelled to Braavos , fathered a son on one of Bellegere's grand daughters, who then came back to serve House Corbray as a sellsword from Braavos and House Corbray took him in because in 198 Daemon Blackfyre spared Gwayne Corbrays life. Despite a complete lack of text to suggest it. LF is not gathering Targaryen Tapestries. We learn about the tapestries in TWOW Alayne I Here in AFFC we first learn he has requested them. AFFC Alayne I. Nothing to do with Targaryens What has led you to believe that LF has the same plan as Varys or that he ever worked with him? You say all of this proves your theory but all of it is just your own ideas. The links are scanty and unconvincing and you have nothing to back them up with.
  6. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    If something is that hard to explain it is probably wrong. And having read this I can say that I don't see it. Not at all. This just reads like a series of sentences which are unrelated. And again a lot of it relies upon your own initial assumption. You right away assume you are correct about Larra being an ancestor of Arya. And use that assumption to link her to LF who you are assuming is related too. There is an established link between Arya and Cats. She has skinchanged a cat and that could be used to link her to Larra if there is enough evidence in the text to make that link ie: not simply just the rumour of Cat skinchanging. This is when you should be using quotes to back up your claims. A quote from F&B; which I appreciate is hard as it is yet to go up on the search site, should appear here to give context and credence. Also useful would be some quotes about Arya which tie her to Taragryens or Larra specifically. You can't just rely upon your own theories or on a stand alone lone coincidence. Otherwise we should all be assuming Varymyr six skins was a Stark & also related to Larra. After all he has warged a wolf and a cat too. Then on to LF. You can not begin a theory by relying on it being true. So stating LF is related to the Whents and siting it as evidence in itself is useless. "Syrio Forel, the sealord of Braavos and the mystery Cat." ? What does this sentance even mean? Who is the mystery cat? I recall no such character. Then you just say that LF's ancester was from Braavos. And as I have said before that alone is no proof he is related to Arya. Otherwise we are back to assuming everyone from one place is related.Which is absurd you must see. You say Little finger has cat like eyes but offer no quotes to back that up nor context as to how or when it was said. A lot of information is in when and how and by whom something was said. Next you state that LF own brothels which is a similar trade to the Black pearl. Selling sex. There is a gaping chasm between LF's pimping of women and girls some of whom we know from Jeyne's experience may not be at those brothels voluntarily and whom he uses violence to "train". And a high class autonomous courtesan who may pick and choose her own clients in a society where her profession is revered not reviled. But yes I suppose on a superficial level the two trades are related. The sealord was Bellegere's a sealords granddaughter yes. But this is stated as a stand alone fact and you don't explain how that is linked if at all to anything else let alone LF himself. You state LF's obsession with Cat and by extension Sansa; I don't think we can in any way claim that he was obsessed with Lysa she was just a pawn, as proof of a link but yet again the reason behind that is your own assumption that they are related. I happen to agree the Lothstons had Aegon IV's blood I have come to a different conclusion as to how but I think we agree on that. I also agree that there is a strong good chance that house Whent are in some way descended from the Lothstons. BUT and this is important, it is not yet proven and relies on the repeat of Bats in their sigil, you are on shaky ground taking it as fact. Likewise stating that LF is also related as a link is a self reliant link. you can't present your own theory as evidence for that theory. Cat's name is perhaps a link to Arya as a cat skinchanger, but GRRM subverts spellings of names frequently and Catlyn is a subversion of Catilin which is itself a subversion of Catherine which is also spelled Katherine. Of course this does not discard that link to Cat's but that link relates to her own daughter you have so far failed to link Cat's to LF in any meaningful way. This is another place where you should be providing a quote. Penny tells Tyrion that she and Oppo performed once for the Sealord and he gave them a grand gift. And you have decided this was three Dragon eggs which Elissa stole? And what are you basing that upon? the word grand? or the fact it is the sealord? you do know I am sure that Sealords are not hereditary. But are elected by magisters and a group of Braavosi known as keyholders, their family would retain their fathers/uncles/brothers property when they leave the Sealords Palace. Just imagine a prime minister vacating number 10 or whichever house any given county allocates their PM. And being made to leave behind all their possessions. No I don't think that is likely. LF sends for Penny & Oppo specifically because of the nature of their act. The jousting and the fact they are dwarfs. He does so deliberately to provoke bad feelings and words between Tyrion; who has history of putting Joffrey in his place, and Joffrey who now as King is in a position to get back at his Uncle for the times he asserted authority over him. Not because they are Braavosi. They are not Braavosi! They are not even Essosian. Their father was a slave yes, but he married a free woman after buying his freedom and Penny speaks the common tongue so where do you think this woman resided? I'd suggest given Tyrion never mentions her speaking any other language and never mentions an accent that she was Westerosi ad Penny & Oppo were raised there, travelling to perform on Essos. Why on earth would Penny & Oppo give their dragon eggs to Illyrio? Perhaps they'd sell them? But if so why are they still performing as Mummers? they'd be rich eyond all imagining. And besides which what evidence do you have to link Penny & Oppo with Illyrio? Other than Varys once having been a Mummer. Do you think there is one mummers troop in the entire of Essos? why would Hop-Bean belong to the same group as Varys? Varys is clearly given that back ground to explain his abillity to alter his appearance. Whilst we can make a logical link that Hop-Bean may have belonged to a mummers group we don't know that for fact - he may have been privately owned by a wealthy individual. This entire section of the post is you assuming that your ideas are correct when they are based on nothing more than Penny telling Tyrion the sealord gave them a grand gift. Singular. To a woman who would probably deem anything beyond a few coins grand. Why do you presume Varys bought the troop he used to belong to? what have you based that on? what is there in the text to support it? because without any text to back it up it is nothing more than an idea you have had. How is it remotely likely that the sealord who had the eggs in 54AC is the same Sealord who witnessed the marriage contract of Viserys & Arianne in the mid 280's AC? And who is the sealord who had a Cat? see without a quote this makes no sense? There are so many details in the series that if you are going to include a small obscure one you need to provide an explanation and or quote. Otherwise your audience might have no idea what you are on about? Next you tell us that Daemon fought a duel with Gwayne Corbray and that LF's Grandfather being in service to a Corbray means he is related to the bastards of Aegon IV. At least that is what I think you are trying to say? But come on this is weak. How many duels are fought in this series or mentioned as historically having happened Does Oberyn fighting Gregor mean Tyene Sand is related to house Clegane? Perhaps GRRM just want to have some epic VS duels in the books. This last bit is again just your own ideas. That Bellegere's children would contact the Blackfyres. or the other way round. They might have yes but what evidence is there that they did? If you are going to make theories out of might haves then Robert Baratheon might have married Mya Stones mother making her a legitimate heir to the IT. I mean there is no evidence but hey he might have. You could use the fact Illyrio is from Braavos; as shown by the statue and his light water dancers steps, and is also likely descended from the female Blackfyre line as evidence that they intermarried with their cousins in Braavos. That would be something to use. But you would have to take into account that there are no hints at all that Illyrio is remotely mixed race. And GRRM has made no hints in any chapters which Illrio apears in that he has any mixed heritage or is related to the Black Pearl. in fact he has specifically not linked them. If he wanted to have Illyrio have some Otherys blood in him he'd have given him a black pearl ring. But specifically he gives him a Black Diamond and a Green Pearl. as well as Emerald, Jet & Jade. (Green - Black - Green - Black - Green.) Which alludes to the war between Rhaenyra & Aegon II, which will be repeated by Illyrio through his son fAegon trying to usurp Danaerys. ADWD Tyrion I. You have come up with an idea as to how LF's grandfather might have come into Corbrays service which relies upon him having Targaryen bastard blood but you have failed to link LF to the Targaryens. To surmise. Arya is in Braavos and has a Cat connection. LF is descended from a Braavosi sell sword. Larra has a Cat connection You think LF is related to the Whents, who we know Arya is related to. A sealord once had a Cat? - no quote so this is what I assume you mean. LF owns brothels & Bellegere is a courtesan LF is described as having Cat like eyes - unsupported as no quote given. LF had a crush on Cat & now desires Sansa Cat's name is spelled like the animal. Penny & Oppo once performed for the Sealord who gave them a grand gift About 240 years before the current events a different and unrelated Sealord bought three dragon eggs LF hired Penny & Oppo Varys used to be a Mummer Illyrio acquired three dragon eggs Daemon Blackfyre fought a duel with Gwayne Corbray LF's grandfather served a Corbray. Do you see how tenuous this all is?
  7. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    Actually......there is some scanty evidence that she was having wolf dreams in AGOT which comes after Lady's death. I'm about to do the school run but will drag you the quotes out once I return. Also I'll pull out the stuff for skinchanging a Merlin.
  8. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Is the hound Sansa's 'new direwolf'?

    The reason they will end up married is because he is not a suitable spouse for her status. Sansa's story is in large about her gaining autonomy over who she marries. And not being used as a commodity for high born lords to utilise for their own gain. As to warging him, No. But he is symbolically her dog now. And their stories are intertwined. She may well warg a Merlin though.
  9. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Gendry King's Landing King

    I've been in this fandom a 7 years and have never seen it as a popular theory at all. I've seen it proposed by a handful of crack pots but it isn't generally taken seriously by the sections of the fandom using good technique for discerning theories. ie, looking at the actual text not just "Hey wouldn't it be cool if......" I don't "subscribe" to any end game theories, I have theories & ideas about how certain elements of the story will play out. And there are ideas and theories others have which I think are likely too. But I don't believe any one person has worked it all out. I think at this point most of us serious fans are questioning what we thought had been revealed in the show. I know I certainly am. I don't mean R+L=J, that is now all but confirmed and we can see the clues for it in the books clearly laid out. However a lot of what they did has no or very little basis in the books and in many cases are pure fan service. I think at this point it is time to go back to the text and work on what we find there. I'm not a fan of theories which claim to have worked out what everyone will do and how everyone's stories will end. Especially when they present it as some sort of fait accompli after having provided very little textual evidence and are using their own supposition and conjecture to prove their points.
  10. That theory doesn't have Ned as the deflowering cad though. And taht is what people try to claim, that Ned deflowered Ashara leaving her with child. When Barristan having high regard for Ned contradicts that. Ned may well have had noble ideas of offering for Ashara after his brother despoiled her. We have no evidence for that from the text but sure it's a nice idea that he might do so. There is no getting round it though it was Brandon Stark who Ashara "turned to" at Harrenhall, and his death along side their daughters which Barristan believes caused her suicide. Because there is just no way he would behave the way he does around and towards Ned otherwise. Nor would he think she killed herself in part over the dead lover as Ned was very much alive.
  11. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    @Megorova I agree there are clues that there is a Targaryen child in the Lothston bloodline. I Just think you are wrong about who it is. Even the Lothston arms have a clue via the silver and gold colours - associated with Targayen hair. But I laid out why Jeyne is unlikely to be his daughter already. The dates are simply wrong. If Manfryd/Manfred is the son though he can simply be older, conceived within those two years he was visiting Harrenhall. And if the first borns of Targaryen men take after the mothers rule holds true. He can be passed off more easily as Lucus Lothstons. That messes with the Black hood being about hiding his hair idea. but lets face it is a bit lame. as if no one would notice his hair being Targ Blonde under neath it or ever see him without it. I think the clue is the one about BR, that he goes about cloaked and hooded because of his photo-sensitivity. We are directly told why a person might wear a hood. And then given a second character famously hooded. That is more in line with GRRM's other character links such as Bald as an egg being used to describe both Egg and Varys to hint at Varys's Targaryen heritage. And Jon's eyes so dark a grey they looked black which again links to Egg whose eyes are so dark a purple so as to appear black. Not all people with albinism are white haired and red eyed. In fact that is the extreme end of the condition. So Manyfryd could have his mothers colouring. Like I said before we have no in world description for a Stokeworth other than Lollys having brown eyes. But certainly a brown eyed Manfryd could still have albinism and thus be photosensitive. At any rate it is about linking the man to the Targaryens. Alongside the gold and silver on the sigil and the other information. I also agree that the Whents may well be blood related to the Lothstons. The Bats are a clue. And so is Danelle's hair. But I can't for the life of me see where you are getting this idea that Peytr Baelish is related from. There is no link between him and the Lothstons. I find your tendency to pluck an idea out of the air and then run with it as if it is fact really off putting. And I'm afraid it causes me to dismiss a lot of your ideas. I'm trying very hard to stop and really read though. So please don't take offence. But this sudden leap from talking about Lothstons as potential Targaryen blooded to Baelish being so happens without any logical explanation. You are basing it on his grandfather being a landless hedge knight. When this is simply an explanation for his resentment of the power of the upper nobility and how he was rejected by Lord Tully for having too lowly a heritage. So LF's grandfather was a hedge knight from Braavos, and you take this to mean his grandfather was the bastard of Harrenhall. Why? because there is a link between Aegon IV and Braavos? There is no basis for this link I can think of which lends it weight. Aegon having been to Braavos doesn't mean everyone who is from Braavos is his relation, This is why we get ridiculous theories such as Syrio = Jaquen as both are from Braavos. These links can be used to support an idea but they only work if that theory has other support too. Otherwise we might as well say. Oh I don't know. That everyone is Westeros is a Targaryen because westeros was once ruled by them. Likewise the idea that Aegon IV's rumoured threesome with Falana and Jeyne means he definitely had a threesome with Falena and Bellegere? Why? by what logic we are never told that Belegere came to westeros and his affair with her happened years after his affair with Falana. We are told Aegon began his affair with her whilst he was an envoy to Braavos. So he is visiting her there. GRRM didn't mention anything that implies she ever came to Westeros. She's a pirate or a trader if she ever did it would have been Old Town or KL she visited, maybe White Harbour. But there is no link to the RL's for a pirate and no clues in the text at all. And the daughters of Lord Butterwell would make a foursome. If he romped with them all together. But that is never stated. He might have visited them all seperatley or frankly not at all. It is but a rumour. Especially when you take into account your own idea that the dragons egg comes as a gift for his bastard. Then in that case he ought to have gifted three eggs, one for each child. My guess is that only one daughter of the house entertained him and that only one was left with child. Remember not every rumour is fact. You have to fish to work it out. Otherwise lets just read The Testimony of Mushroom to discern what happened during the dance. And then Larra or Serenei. You have attempted to provide evidence that they are the same woman but it is far from convincing. You think that the date given for Larra's death may be false and yet we have no reason to think that. There is no clue in the world book that implies she faked her death. You are just plucking the idea from your own imagination. As to the date being semi cannon allow me to explain. That conversation is from the Mush. This is the role play game which uses author approved info to expand the setting and create a game were we can be our own adventurer through asoiaf. If you come across info in the wiki which is described as semi cannon it is from the mush. The names of the people conversing are the guys who organise the game. So there you have it the date for her death is author approved. That doesn't mean he can't pr won't change it for F&B II he might decide he has an idea that alters her date of death for some reason but it means he has no mysterious fate in mind otherwise he'd not approve a date for her death or we would have some vague answer. So aside from your decision that Oh I don't know who these people are pr what they are talking about so the date is false assumption you seem to be basing this idea on the rumour that she is older than she appears a rumour we see about several women in ASOIAF and which sounds suspiciously like plain old sexist ageism. is women have a best before date. And saying a woman is older than she claims is an easy shot to fire when wishing to disparage her. Serenei was a foreigner who was really unpopular at court due to her haughty attitude. Yeah people are gonna say all sorts of shit about her. Especially other women, sadly, due to the way patriarchy works it effectively pitches women into competition against one another as women seek status through relationships to and with males and therefore better treatment as a result. Serenei may have been a sorceress, she may have been older than Aegon but don't assume this means the rumours are absolutely true I remind you again remember what Egg tells Dunk about Rohanne. Remember what the smallfolk said about Sansa. Bathing in blood is in my opinion a real clue that people are exaggerating about these women. It's a magic which we have seen no evidence of in the text despite hearing of blood magic non of the magic we have seen involves blood on that scale or used in that way. The biggest clue is that Serenei has a baby at all. Most women begin their menopause at around 45-55 years old. With fertility declining rapidly at about 35. So for serenei to get pregnant at all means she isn't any older than her early 50's at the absolute limit. We've yet to see any magic which can counter biology in that way. Mel births magical shadows but they are not human babies who grow and age as normal and look indistinguishable to others. Visenya may have used some magic. But this is mostly fan theory and has little real evidence. We learn Aegon was under pressure to take a third wife and so it stands to reason taht he simply closed his eyes and got on with it till she was with child. Visenya being almost 40 makes this hard but as I've explained not impossible. In fact it is about 5% in every cycle. Alys Rivers is another but again her exaggerated age is only rumoured and frankly Mushroom is not the most reliable of sources. And again he uses the bathes in blood trope and claims all her own babes are stillborn. And I have to say that the bathing in blood trope is often coupled with some sort of sacrifice or killing of babies. Again this is simply a sexist trope a woman with knowledge or independent power is seen as unnatural in a patriarchal society therefore they are accused of "unnatural" crimes crimes which go against the very nature of woman as they see it. The maternal instinct. Again we go back to Egg telling Dunk of Rohanne's supposed atrocities. he says this in TSS. "Whenever she gives birth, a demon comes by night to carry off the issue. Sam Stoops' wife says she sold her babes unborn to the Lord of the Seven Hells, so he'd teach her his black arts." GRRM is very aware of these accusations being a thing in our own world. He's no slacker when it comes to studying history to inspire his writing. So no I really would not take the rumours about bathing in blood to maintain beauty as a real thing. He does in fact give us a character who does use magic to project a more beautiful visage and that is Mellisandre who we can ascertain uses Glamour. So I'd be looking for a large jewel associated with Serenei if she was hiding her true age. As to the images in the world book, personally no I do not feel they look identical I see similarities but one thing which myself and many others commented on when the world book came out was how similar the illustrations of women where over all. If you look at his portrait of Rhaenarya she has the same spacing and feature shapes too. Not to mention that we simply can not take the illustrations as cannon. It has never been implied they are. I can't see any merit in this idea at all. As it hinges on your own interpretation of a picture, your own feelings about a date given for her death, and a rumour grounded in sexism which crops up repeatedly in relation to various female characters but which has no grounding in the magic we actually see used in world.
  12. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    I can not write up anything pertaining to Lord Butterwell's daughters as they remain unnamed and have no descriptions. We do not know for certain that they did all get pregnant that night, but the dragon egg is certainly a hint and Ambrose has flaxen hair. I'll look again tomorrow. As well as attempt some more about the other mistresses and their bastards.
  13. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    So adding in Falela Stokeworth: Crownlands, House Stokeworth whose sigil depicts a lamb on a green field holding a golden cup. This sigil and their words are clues to the nature of house Stokeworth. fickle. A sheep is an animal used to signify cowardice and being easily led, the golden cup signifies greed, and their words. "Proud to be faithful" could not be less true. They swap sides in several conflicts, Lord Stokeworth is one of the few lords to gather at Maegor's command but after he is found dead he soon scarpers, implying he may have betrayed his king. During the Dance the Stokeworths changed sides several times and lord stokeworth was one of the first lords sworn to defend Rhaenyra's claim to renounce it. Falena was first taken to court to curry favour after the dance by being a companion to Queen Jaehaera, but was then put forth as a new Queen herself during the maidens day cattle mart. With only her fall resulting in a broken leg preventing her being shown. She seduced Aegon when he was just 14 and she 24 which implies grasping or conniving behaviour. And was wed in 151 to Lucus Lothstan a master at arms. and favourite of Viserys. Who was then named as lord of Harrenhall. This is where I'll leave off from Falela and submit the rest of what I discovered under her daughter Jeyne. Hopefully the reason becomes apparent. Jeyne Lothston: Riverlander, House Lothston whose sigil is a black bat on silver and gold. Jeyne is rumoured to be Aegon's own daughter and yet was born ten years after he stopped visiting Falena at Harrenhall. in 164. which was during the decade he was with Belegerre and long after he lost interest in her mother. Whilst I doubt Aegon was in Braavos for the entire of the 160's he was certainly there a fair bit he left for Braavos after Naerys's devastating faied birth in 161 and she did not give him another child until 172. Daemon was born in 170 so he may even have been away from 161 - 169. Though some of Belegerre's children may also have been born in the early 170's. It certainly makes it seem as though popping to Harrenhall in 163/164 to conceive Jeyne is unlikely. But what if rather than just a salacious rumour this is actually a hint that Falela did in fact bear Aegon a child. And if so who is that child? TSS So in 198 there was a Lothston involved in the Blackfyre rebellion, and he isn't Lucus so we can only presume he is a son, or perhaps a brother/cousin etc. However we do have a Lucus Lothstan listed as father of a Manfryd Lothson in the wiki. It is not confirmed these are the same two men but it works within the timeline of Lucus being granted Harrenhall in 151 and Manfred/Manfyrd fighting in the rebellion in 198 as his son. GRRM has changed the spelling of characters names a few times so I don't think we need concern ourselves with that. And certainly the coupling of Manfred Lothston and treachery and the idea of keeping a foot in each camp sounds very Stokeworth like. So why might I think Manfred is Aegon's son not Lucus's? Well as I explained before Jeyne was born at entirely the wrong time but the rumours might be a hint that Falena did give him a child, and if we look at Manfyrd/Manfred he is described as Manfryd o'the black hood. Who else wears a hood a lot? Bloodraven who does so to hide his fair albino skin from the sun. Maybe Manfred too is albino because they share the same father? Or maybe the phrase is just intended to put him in our minds, or maybe the hood is to hide silver blonde hair? Manfred as a name might give us a clue too. Lord Byron wrote Manfred after fleeing the country over a scandal about him having a sexual relationship with his sister Augusta. In Manfred Byron creates a man haunted by an unspeakable crime involving a woman and is thought to be a confessional piece about his sexual relationship with his sister. So the name is linked to Incest a Targaryen trait. I'd suggest Jeyne as a lover is more about the possibility of Targaryen blood in house Lothston, and therefore any mythological alignment would relate to that house, after all if I am correct she really was a Lothston and it was her older brother who was the bastard. Another argument in that favour is that when we see Danelle Lothston in TMK in 212 her description evokes Targaryen colours; tight black armour and long red hair. so Black and red. If Manfred was Aegon's son born within the first three years of Falena's marriage when he was visiting her, then timeline wise for Danelle to be head of house Lothston in 212 he has to be dead, and at almost 60 if we take his date of birth to be 152/3 that works just fine. And Danelle is still young enough to have unfaded red hair in 212 so that works fine too for her as his daughter.
  14. The Weirwoods Eyes

    A Pantheon of Bastards

    Thank you, I knew there were more known mistresses and lovers but the wiki is incomplete. I knew there was a mother and daughter who may also have been his own daughter but could not recall their names. What makes you think she gave him a son too? It is hard to understand your reasoning when you don't provide quotes. I've not considered the Ambrose Butterwell connection before. That's an interesting idea. I again vaguely recall that rumour of his night with the daughters of Lord Butterwell. I'd need to see the text itself to discern if it's a hint about Ambrose's paternity though. But I'll admit the naming of him being Ambrosia has made me want to explore him in connection with this idea. I'm really uncertain of the idea that Sernei was Larra. It doesn't feel right to me, but again without quotes to back up the theory it is very hard to decide if you buy into the idea or not. I'm also not a big fan of everyone is secretly someone else theories as I feel they cheapen the story quite a lot. Hidden identities have to make sense narratively. And if we are going to say that Serenei was Larra simply because they are both from Lys then hell lets go the whole hog and declare Lady Misery is Larra, is Serenei. and so on. I'm quite willing to look at the idea with quotes and reasoning as to why you think this though. As I've said before it is all about discerning simple gossip from the actual clues. Rohanne webber never used magic in the way Egg salaciously tells Dunk she does. And Sansa never sprouted wings to escape the red keep. Serenei may well have been a magic user but that doesn't mean she is guilty of everything she is accused of. Shiera is undoubtedly being set up as a sorceress too but if we ever get a D&E tale where she appears, I'll eat my hat if we find her bathing in the blood of innocents to maintain her looks.
  15. Whilst the song is placed in the story to remind us of Ashara appearing as it does in AFFC as a prep for Barristan's reveal about Ashara having been Brandon's lover in ADWD. It is a means to remind the reader of her. Her role in the story is being drawn to an end and if you look at it from start to finish its a completed story. She was set up as possibly Jon's mum and in the end she was just a red herring, if you follow all the mentions of her this becomes clear. But the song is not about Ashara I'd bet the song is about Helaena who threw herself from the red keep after Lady Misery supposedly chose that night to tell her of the horrific death of her son Prince Maelor at the hands of a mob in KL. Not all songs are about romantic love and this story is a tragedy of epic proportions. She was given Spohie's choice when Blood & Cheese used the tunnels to infiltrate her apartments and then he killed Jaehaerys after she chose Maelor. And after she never recovered from that choice. Thinking her remaining two children had been secreted away by the master of whispers Larys Clubfoot she was then told her prince had been torn apart by a mob at Bitterbridge. Whilst the song is there to spark the reader to think of Ashara because GRRM is about to wrap up her part in the books and wants us to think about her; there are no other references to Ashara in AFFC and no POV chapters by anyone who has any reason to think of her so he needed to prick our memories somehow, but he is also published AFFC in 2005 and signed the contract for TWOIAF in 2006, meaning he was already thinking about his history of the Targaryens and had likely worked out some of the elements of things like the Dance so dropping in a song which is actually a teaser for the fate of Aegon II's queen is quite plausible, especially when her story has echo's of the main one. Larys is a stand in for Varys here and his attempt to sneak the young prince away fails miserably. And we are also introduced to a passage which goes directly into the royal chambers in the RK which is used for an assassination and I think this is foreshadowing for Myrcella's fate. Ashara never loved a prince, we learn that when Brandon tells us it was Stark; it can not be Ned as the two men enjoyed such camaraderie and mutual respect in AGOT, Lady Dustin has told us Brandon liked deflowering high born maidens, and Barristan frames the grief over her lovers death as having happened prior to her own and well, Ned survived the war. There is precisely zero in the text to suggest she had any feeling for a prince. And had GRRM wanted to tease at that in AFFC with this song he would have laid some more teasers in TWOIAF. Singers embellish and embroidery for sure. But we have a story which perfectly fits this song and which at the time of publishing AFFC would have allowed GRRM to have his little secret, it's almost like he is foreshadowing for the world book and ultimately F&B here. In addition Dareon is from the reach home of house high tower Helaena's mothers house and a song about her tragedy might well be popular here.
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