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  1. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    Yes he did and that Tourney took place in 281. Jon was born in 283.
  2. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    Hmm, yes it is why he did atrocious things. Tywin is a man ruled by his pride, the choice of a lion for the houses sigil was no accident. Pride is a major theme in Tywins story. Ryene's and Tarbecks. Pride he was embarrassed by his fathers weakness. Walk of shame for his fathers mistress. Pride he felt she needed bringing down a peg or two for getting above her station. Tysha's rape. Pride he thought she was too low born to be a Lannister's wife. Murder of Rhaenys and her children. Pride he resented her being chosen over Cersei. Sending the Mountain into the RL's. Pride he was affronted that Cat dared take his son. Red Wedding. Pride he was upset that Robb kept beating him in the field. In all these things Tywins ego did the decision making. That last bits a bit of a leap in it? I mean talk about sweeping assumptions. I'm not assessing the real events and people of history I'm assessing a literary character.
  3. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    Only if Brandon was married to Ashara, and we have zero evidence that he was. Not to mention. Brandon was DEAD when Jon was conceived. Dead men don't father babies.
  4. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    He's a villain. He did atrocious things because he has a fragile ego.
  5. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    True, it might have been a bit embarrassing and hurt her pride but that is a million times better than the hurt and humiliation she felt believing Jon to be Ned's son conceived after her marriage to him.
  6. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    Does anyone even have to ask this? Really. Tywin is one of the clearest Villains in the story. He's a brilliant character but he's not a good guy.
  7. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    Brandon died before Jon was conceived.
  8. Hmmm, but not when he stands to inherit the twins. I mean it just doesn't make sense. What textual evidence is there? What clues as to their motivation baring in mind she's married to the man who is 2nd in line to the Twins. Not some no lands younger son of a younger son. But eldest son of the direct heir. No I don't buy it.
  9. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    Something which I forgot to add in that post too is this little gem from Barristan. ADWD; The Kingbreaker Barristan considers if grief for the man who had dishonoured her at Harrenhall was a contributing factor in her suicide. And Ned was very much alive when Ashara jumped to her death. Brandon however was dead.
  10. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    I'll provide a post I made on another thread. Ashara's only purpose in the story is to provide a red herring for Jon's mother. She is only actually mentioned 6 times in the whole story, and each occasion is there to facilitate a smoke screen for R+L=J. And then finally to allow the reader to see through that smoke screen. We've even had the beginning, the middle, and the end of her story already. mention #1: AGOT Catelyn II This sets Ashara up as a possible mother for Jon Snow. At this point we don't know anything about the timeline in order to understand how difficult it would have been for Ned to meet up with Ashara at the right time for Jon's conception. It's a basic introduction and she's introduced to us specifically in relation to Jon. mention #2: AGOT Eddard XII Again this is in relation to her as a possible mother for Jon. Again we're in the first book the author is trying to establish the red herring in order to assist the concealment of Lyanna & Rhaegar as his parents. And Again we don't yet know that Cersei was not in a position back in the early 280's to know what Ned's relationship was to Ashara and is going on pure rumour. mention #3: ACOK Catleyn VI This is in relation to the Baratheon children all being Lannister Blonde. GRRM is using this as an opportunity to place Jon's parentage in proximity to other secret heritages. And simultaneously reminding us of Ashara as a possible mother for him, dangling that red herring. But it is also a clue that Jon isn't even Neds son, she talks about non of her sons taking after Ned she is talking on the back of a discussion about other children not being fathered by the man we were told fathered them, and implies that Ned has never been known to be connected to any woman other than this rumour about Ashara so really if it wasn't her then maybe that's because it wasn't Ned? mention #4: ASOS Bran II This one appears at first glance to be more fuel to the rumour and will for most readers continue the idea that Ashara was Jon's mother until ADWD when we learn a little more of Brandon Stark. What GRRM is really showing us is that Ashara danced with Ned as a favour to Brandon, meaning she wanted him to like her, and that Ned was not interested in Ashara himself enough to ask her to dance. mention #5: ASOS Arya VIII Ned Dayne to Arya, this conversation appears on the surface to reinforce her as a candidate but when you think it through it does the opposite. He tells this garbled tale that really seems highly unlikely and which his very name belies. If Ned did the dirty of Ashara with Wyla would they name Ned Dayne for him? Would they fuck. mention #5: ASOS Arya VIII So here the author starts casting doubts upon the idea of Ashara as the mother here Harwyn tells us that the time line is all wrong for Jon to be their child. mention #6: ADWD The Kingmaker Here in ADWD Barristan wraps it up for us. Ashara did do the deed with a Stark, but that Stark could not have been Ned when we consider Ned's relationship with Barristan the men got along well, they respected one another, laughed together even. That is not how Barristan would be with the man who had in his words dishonoured the woman he still all these years later loves. and finally not a mention of Ashara herself but one which ties together all the information we have so far and tells us who really had sex with Ashara Dayne. ADWD The Turncloak Here we learn that Brandon Stark took what he wanted from Maidens, even High born ones GRRM uses double entendre to inform us that Brandon liked seeing maidens blood on his cock and also that he would lie to get women into bed. Barbrey didn't know Brandon was betrothed when she gave him her maidenhead. But Brandon knew because Cat tells us they'd been betrothed when she was 12. AGOT Catelyn II Which means he was betrothed to her at 14 we don't know how old he was when he took Barbreys maidenhead but younger than 14? well perhaps I suppose it is possible, but it is unlikely. All of this stands to show us that Ashara's story has been told it is over. We learnt that she had a baby but that the baby was conceived well before Jon would have been. That logistically them meeting up during the window surrounding his marriage to Cat; when Jon was conceived, would have been extraordinarily difficult. That the rumours likely are a result of her having had sex with a Stark just not Ned, and that the man she did do it with is likely Brandon. Everything anyone tells us about Brandon Stark implies he was exactly the kind of bloke who'd do that. He's all fire, a short tempered show off who doesn't consider others before acting. Where as Barristan a person who unlike Cat, Cersei, Ned Dayne, or Harwyn was actually there and paying close attention to her likens himself to Mud, lamenting that women never chose mud over fire. Ned is pure mud. And whilst you can argue Barristan is wrong that some like Mud, that really doesn't negate the point that to Barristan Ashara chose Fire over mud and Ned ain't fire. ETA: The realisation that it was Brandon Stark who Ashara slept with is also a plausible explanation for Ned Dayne's messed up story. The way he refers to Ned as Lord Stark when he was sleeping with his aunt supposedly implies that Ned has been told that Ashara's lover was lord Stark, but at the time Ned was not destined to become the lord, he had an older brother. It would be easy for a child born many years after Brandons death though to not even know he existed especially when you consider the person telling him the story is Allyria who it seems is likely a child herself, given the delay of many years in her marriage to Beric. Ned too says they fell in love at Harrenhall, which coincides with Barristans story. That truth clashing with the deliberate rumour started to protect Jon's identity that Wyla was his mother a rumour with some grains of truth, as it seems likely she was indeed his wet nurse, and so had nursed Jon. Explains Ned Dayne's odd story.
  11. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    Er no. You are ignoring the part where I explain why the other theories are all inferior. They simply are not possible. And refusing to pretend that they are doesn't make a person smug.
  12. Why would Willamen be trying to get Janyce in line for House Hunter when her husband is second in line to the Twins?
  13. The Weirwoods Eyes

    R+L=J vs N+A=J (GRRM looses either way)

    Except that this isn't true. He has not left it open ended. When you look at the clues for Ned fathering Jon with Ashara you quickly realise it would be next to impossible. The timeline simply does not work and the information from Barristan in ADWD indicates that Ashara had a sexual relationship with Brandon Stark. Not Ned. This is consolidated by the information we have about Brandon himself from Barbrey and everything we learn of his nature from Cat. All the clues point us away from Ashara as Jon's mother. The Fisherman's daughter can not be true either as then Jon would be months older than Robb, Ned would have had no way to know he'd left her pregnant, and no reason in the world to keep her a secret. Wylla also can not be his mother as Ned never went to Dorne until the end of the war. And there is nothing in the text that implies she was in the Riverlands where Ned was when Jon was conceived. So No there are not clues for any one but Lyanna being Jon's Mum when we take into account the information from all 5 books. It isn't open. Being capable of processing the information from the books in a way that allows you to accurately discern the truth of the authors intent and refusing to acquiesce to inferior theories doesn't make you smug. It just means that you are intelligent and confident in your assessment of the text.
  14. Cat thinks that she couldn't tell for certain which was older. This only means they are very very close in age. But when you think about it had Jon been older than Robb then Ned would have been single at the time and could have spared Cat the shame and anger of his supposed infidelity. He would simply have been conceived prior to their marriage. No Cat doesn't know he is older, and in fact this statement from her is just more evidence Ned isn't his father. Because they are so close in age he must have been conceived within those two weeks which Ned spent at Riverrun. Assuming normal 40 week gestations for both women. As to fAegons age, yes he may be younger or older Tyrion isn't a great judge of age and as always unreliable narrator is a factor here. fAegon is very unlikely to be Elia's son, so his being a bit older or younger is perfectly possible. I think he is Serra & Illyrio's son. And they simply saw an opportunity when Aegon was murdered and groomed the boy to believe he was a secret missing Prince. We do know when Aegon was born because of that quote in TWOIAF about Rhaegar setting out at the turn of the year leaving his wife and infant son on Dragonstone. He was born at the very end of 281. The war began several months into 282, Robb and Jon were born at the end of the war at some point in 283.
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