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  1. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Who will Sansa marry?

    Except that when he hears that she has been married to Tyrion he flies into a rage, kills a bunch of people and ends up sobbing and talking about where the heart is begging her sister to end his pain. Remember when Loras flew into a frenzy and killed his brothers after Renly's death.....
  2. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Who will Sansa marry?

    During the scene at the Blackwater Sandor does not try to rape Sansa. And using hyperbole doesn't strengthen your argument. What he does is go to her room; after he has decided to abandon the Lannisters following the incident at the gate with Tyrion attempting to force him back into the fires, where finding her absent he lays down on her bed to wait for her. Upon her return she lays on her bed and finds him there, he reaches out for her and he threatens to kill her if she screams. But the thing is we already know that she won't. Because the author has taken the time to set up their relationship and on several occasions prior he surprises her in a similar way. In fact he does so at their first meeting; when she thinks he is her father, anyway the point is the reader knows there is no threat to Sansa and she immediately calms. They begin to speak and he tells her he is lost. She realises he was sleeping in her bed and wonders what he wanted. That's a big part of the dialogue here, her youth means she isn't aware fully of the physical relationship between man and woman. She knows the mechanics as she lets us know after her wedding. But she has not understanding yet of desire. Which again is part of her story, it is about her sexual awakening. But right here in this scene she is not awake to that. So she misses much of his innuendo. They discuss Tyrion, Sandor wants him burnt in retaliation for him trying to force him back into the fires. He says he is going, then and says he is going away from the fires; ie away from all that has hurt him, he says North somewhere, which implies towards her home. So to leave behind his pain he will go to her lands, he's about to ask her to go with him. Sansa says the gates are closed and he says not to me, she asks why he came to her room, and he replies that she promised him a song. She doesn't understand this obviously and says let me go you are scaring me. He says everything scares you and asks her to look at him. This whole exchange is about facing your fears, and the fact she is too young yet to be with him. he says look at me, and she takes in all the detail of his ruined face and then he declares that no one would ever hurt her again if she were to go with him, he pulls her closer and this is when she thinks he will kiss her. A kiss she later realises she wanted. This becomes the basis for her fantasies, so much so that she convinces herself he did kiss her and she centres that kiss in her sexual awakening. Referring back to it repeatedly and imagining scandalising her peers. This is when he mistakes her readying herself to be kissed for her still being unable to look upon his face. And he pulls his dagger. Now you can act all outraged about that if you like. But that doesn't change the symbolism GRRM has used here and elsewhere in the book with daggers and desire. Nor the fact it is a common writing device. She can't recall the love song that she had sort of promised him earlier, of Jonquil and Florian. But she instead sings him the Mothers song, this coming after she prayed for the Mother to gentle his heart. After the song he tosses his cloak to her and leaves. She then climbs under the cloak and that in itself is symbolic. Twice he has given her his cloak. Cloaks are an integral part pf westerosi weddings and three is the magic number! The third time he gives her his cloak will be their wedding in my opinion. The cloak is white and spattered with blood. This is representative of the wedding sheet, displayed after a marriage to shwo the brides virginity. Then their are bells ringing out just like in our world where wedding bells are rung, and then she places the cloak in her cedar chest with her summer silks. The chest represents a Hope Chest an American tradition made from cedar and heavily advertised and popularised in GRRM's youth. The idea being that you place items that you hope to use in your married life in it in preparation. Placing it with her summer silks represents hope for the future just as Summer's name does. GRRM has used a hope chest and explained what it is in another B&TB inspired story of his. The Skin Trade. So We know for certain he knows what they are and what he was symbolising in this scene. But no where in that scene did Sandor try to rape her. ETA: an interesting fact is this. Sansa prayed for Sandor's heart to be gentled, She then sang him the Mothers song a song all about finding a better way, of stilling the rage and the violence, and Sandor is now on the QI being ministered to by the Elder Brother who says The Hound is no more. The hound of course being his fierce persona the one who is full of rage and violence. He's not fully tamed as we see via Stranger's refusal to be gelded. But what this whole thing does imply is that he is no longer consumed by his anger and hatred for his brother. His heart has been gentled just as Sansa asked for.
  3. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Barristan's vigil for Set Hugh of the Vale

    I think it does indeed tell us the depth of Barristan's character and that is important. Every thing that we learn about him during the story paints a picture and that picture is an honest, honorable, and principled man. So it means that when he starts talking we know he's not BS'ing and can be taken seriously as a source. As to Ser Hugh, I think he simply fell victim to Gregor Clegane. Both LF and Varys take advantage of Ser Hugh's timely death. And he serves as a nice little red herring in the who killed Jon Arryn story.
  4. The Weirwoods Eyes

    What is the true religion in Westros ?!

    There is no real evidence that any gods other than the Old Gods in the form of greenseers in the weirwood net actually exist.
  5. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Who will Sansa marry?

    The reason why threads about who Sansa will end up with always revert to SanSan is because that is the direction her romantic interest lies and no matter how much people dislike it it is what is in the actual story. When you look at the story; the one between them, it clearly follows a romance format. You can break it down to the formula of a mills & Boon or any other romance novel or rom com. And that is something lots of readers don't like. They don't want to accept that GRRM likes romance stories. Tough shit he does and he is very open about that. He has talked about how he is a romantic, he likes romance, ASOIAF is a romance, He finds it irritating how maligned the romance genre is. etc etc. He's woven the classic format into Sansa's arc and he has done it very cleverly. Yes he's used B&TB and he has done so repeatedly throughout his career. He loves that story.
  6. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Who will Sansa marry?

    I'm not demanding anything. I have explained why it is an unpleasant way to talk about women. And I have explained the way it has become common parlance for the special kind of sad twat you find reading blogs about picking up "females" by negging and then has creeped into usage by the general population. I have not demanded anything. You might not think it is rude to remove a woman's humanity by using the generic term female when referring to women in a non institutionalised setting. But lots of women do, pointing that out doesn't make me the PC police. Just a woman who doesn't like being busted down to the same category as livestock and who has patiently explained why several times now. I mentioned it on page bloody 4! and the person who I mentioned it to made it clear they didn't care about the negative connotations and would continue to refer to human women as females. And anyone who cares to look will note I didn't say a word. I dropped it. No demands where made. You brought it back up. I again and in greater detail carefully explained how it has been adopted to dehumanise and degrade women in exactly the same way as bitches; in fact in some circles it is simply used as short hand for bitch. A way of swearing when you would not otherwise get away with it female dog = bitch. And for gods sake yes, get back on topic!
  7. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    You seem to think I don't understand the story. You are wrong. I'm not arguing what you think I am arguing. I have been talking about the emotions which motivate Tywins actions. Tywin is a villain, that doesn't mean everything he does is pure evil, that isn't how the books work. Very few characters are purely evil. In fact even some of those who seem it can be looked at and examined and you can see why they behave as they do. But the crux of this discussion has not been about if Tywin was a villain but rather what motives his actions. And it has been like hitting my head against a brick wall!
  8. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    Thank you. And yes I totally agree re Tywin.
  9. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    I didn't assume you are American, I said We are not all American. I guessed the man in question was/is American the name is vaguely familiar. It's not an automatic understanding when you give a name I don't know, a whole decade(not even the one it occurred in!) And a country. That what you are referring to is bombing of Japan. Not to mention that it's just not part of our curriculum to any extent. We learn about the second world war sure but the names of the Americans involved in the bombing of Japan never came up. What was he like the man who made it? The pilot who dropped it? I wouldn't have a clue. Maybe if I'd done world history? But I didn't I did social and economic, Ask me about the levellers or the horse drawn hoe or the match girl strikes, the Peterloo Massacre. I can tell you all about those.
  10. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Who will Sansa marry?

    Nope, not feminists. It actually has a long history as being perceived as a rude way to refer to women. ANd the recent popularity of it stems from young american males and it has spread from there. It's a way to reduce us to our reproductive class. Any animal can be female but only a female human can be a woman. So by using female rather than woman you dehumanise her. Feminists have long argued against the use of Girl when referring to adult human females. AKA: Women. But the solution of choice is to say Woman when you mean an adults. One of the worst culprits for infantalising women is the obstetric setting. But Girls is used all to often outside of the delivery room too a recent example from my own life where the accountant came in to show us a new book keeping system and repeatedly called our team girls, we are aged between 37 & 52. Yes lets move on! I mean surely if someone tells you that a word is in this context is offensive and explains why the polite thing to do would be to say OK I never realised and stop using it? As opposed to arguing that the person is wrong and telling them to stop being offended. But hey it's the internet where half the human race seems to have decided that manners are unimportant.
  11. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Who will Sansa marry?

    If you are unaware of the shift towards referring to women as females in a bid to reduce them to sex object then let me be the one to refer you to that trend. Female is an adjective. Woman is a noun. It's bad grammar for a start. It erases the subject; the woman. Which is why it has become so popular amongst said young men who wish to dehumanise the women whom they are targeting. It is a term which without specific clarification could as I pointed out refer to any female animal which is dehumanising. You could mean a cat, a cow, a donkey. By referring to women as females you are also reducing us to our reproductive class, ie: Sexualy objectifying us. It is a trend and the intention behind it can be ascertained by tracing it back to where it started. It is a relatively recent phenomenon and the backlash of women beginning to use Male in the same manner is another telling marker for why it is so rude to do it. I a professional setting the word is used to describe suspects say or patients. The reasons for this are clear and entirely separate to the use by the general public to which we are referring. I suspect non of this is surprising to anyone as you'd have to have been living under a rock to have missed the upsurge in female as a way to express misogyny. Pretending it isn't rude as fuck won't change the fact it is.
  12. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    Nope. I know exactly what I mean. Why do people want to attain prestige? Could it be because it makes them feel proud? Pride is the motivating factory in striving for prestige. It seems to me that lots of people have no capacity to dig beyond the surface of human emotion and behaviour to truly understand what motivates them. Tywin is a prideful man and GRRM sets up a nice little morality tale for him. Pride comes before a fall. The House sigil is a Lion a group of which are a Pride. GRRM makes it very clear what he is trying to convey with Tywin. ETA: I have no idea who Harry Trueman is or why he might have anything to do with 1950's Japan. Sorry we are not all Americans.
  13. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    Oh no you didn't. I was just emphasising that this is Tywins emotional weakness. Because I asserted that early on in the thread and got jumped on by fanboys. Who didn't like to think that supposedly cool clever Tywin is actually acting largely due to his fragile ego. I can see that you are not saying that.
  14. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    I think it is made very clear, especially with the information in the world book that Tywin and Aerys had a very volatile relationship with Joanna being at the centre of their rivalry. My suspicions about Rhaegar come simply from contemplating how Tywin would feel should he through his daughter be rejected again. A conclusion I came to because of Kevan's words about Cersei and sons but one which is not well supported; though given that this information came at the very end of the last book it seems GRRM wanted to give a hint at further complications surrounding the "abduction", a conclusion which finally explained for me why Tywin sent two complete monsters to do the deed. Which he himself understands should have been achieved in a more gentle manner but which he chose to send a man like Lorch for and Gregor who whilst he was still young had a certain nature which can usually be seen from that age; indeed we know he had already committed at least one violent crime, and we do not know when he was married or when his first wife died. Either way Tywins choice was clear he wanted a dirty deed done and he wanted a message sent. Could it have simply been an act of misogyny? Yes I believe so. He certainly does have an escalating tendency to sadistic acts committed against women. Or could it be wounded pride aimed at the Martel's because they achieved what he failed to do? Yes And again that would be pride as a motivator. If it was simply misogyny that too stems from Pride as a motivating emotion as these women have all stepped out of the role he deems suitable and have in some cases dared to interfere with his desires. His ego takes a knock from each of these women.
  15. The Weirwoods Eyes

    Was Tywin Lannister a villain?

    either yourself or that other guy said it was not about Pride. I'm not discussing the OP with you I am discussing his motivating emotion and if you think his actions had nothing to do with his pride then you have failed to understand the character of Tywin completely.
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