Alexandra Targaryen Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (f)Aegon is Rhaegar's son. Since both his father and grandfather are dead, shouldn't he be called King ? Viserys was called King and Dany is called Queen. Whether Aegon is real or fake, since his claim is better than either of them, shouldn't he be referred to as King instead of prince. Even Joffrey was called King. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Idiots Lantern Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Joffery had a coronation, so he is King. Viserys and Danaerys couldn't, for obvious reasons, but they call themselves King and Queen anyway because that's how they see themselves. For Viserys it was a toothless title, because he had a grand total of one knight considering himself as such. For Danaerys, who's commanding armies and sitting on thrones, it's a bit more real.(f)Aegon is still Young Griff. He can't call himself the king of anything yet. For him to try would require him to be as mad as Viserys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire and Blood! Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 I think it's because he still hasn't had an official coronation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Maybe it's linked with Vary's speech to Kevan at the end of Dance, how he's being raised to see the throne as a serious responsibility, not his right to do what he wants with. So they don't want to give him the ego boosting title of "king" until he's earnt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandra Targaryen Posted August 22, 2013 Author Share Posted August 22, 2013 If they are doing it to not boost his ego, then why call him a prince. Simply call him Aegon/Young Griff. He does have an army to command now, the Golden Company. Dany was called a Queen even before she conquered any city. Stannis, Renly, Robb, Balon, crowned themselves and were called as Kings. From Westereos pov, Targaryens are pretender kings now. Pretender kings are also Kings nevertheless. King title should be earned and prince title comes free doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 If they are doing it to not boost his ego, then why call him a prince. Simply call him Aegon/Young Griff. He does have an army to command now, the Golden Company. Dany was called a Queen even before she conquered any city. Stannis, Renly, Robb, Balon, crowned themselves and were called as Kings. From Westereos pov, Targaryens are pretender kings now. Pretender kings are also Kings nevertheless. King title should be earned and prince title comes free doesn't make sense.I guess it's a happy medium, addressing him like a sellsword or commoner is kind of unthinkable in their society. Prince still gives respect, but says he's only a potential king, he still has to earn that throne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morienthar Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Probably because he's not been officially crowned yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Sidious Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can someone please explain to me why so many people seem convinced that Aegon is a fake? I accept that it is a possibility, but I don't recall anything in the books that makes it seem any more likely than him being the actual Aegon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnow Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Deamon Blackfyre styles himself a king, and he doesn't seem to have had an official coronation... of course he's also an idiot, but thats another story. We also never truly see Stannis or Renly have a coronation... that isn't to say it didn't happen, but they just seem to have decided they were king and start doing kingly stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mankytoes Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Deamon Blackfyre styles himself a king, and he doesn't seem to have had an official coronation... of course he's also an idiot, but thats another story. We also never truly see Stannis or Renly have a coronation... that isn't to say it didn't happen, but they just seem to have decided they were king and start doing kingly stuff.Was Stannis' becoming AA ceremony not also a coronation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ürglõvi Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Stannis and Renly have an actual power and oomph to style themselves as kings and not to be scoffed at.Just see where calling himself king got Viserys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vuron Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 King title should be earned and prince title comes free doesn't make sense.It makes sense because a "Prince" title comes from birth and a "King" title means that you are recognized and have a Kingdom. It makes sense for Aegon to be called a Prince, but it doesn't make sense for Dany or Viserys to be called King or Queen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consigliere Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 If they are doing it to not boost his ego, then why call him a prince. Simply call him Aegon/Young Griff. He does have an army to command now, the Golden Company. Dany was called a Queen even before she conquered any city. Stannis, Renly, Robb, Balon, crowned themselves and were called as Kings. From Westereos pov, Targaryens are pretender kings now. Pretender kings are also Kings nevertheless. King title should be earned and prince title comes free doesn't make sense.Dany became a queen when she married Khal Drogo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluesnow Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Was Stannis' becoming AA ceremony not also a coronation?I always thought it was more of a "baptism" of sorts... a religious conversion from the seven to R'holler. Wasn't during the ceremony they were also burning the statues of the seven from the sept, and then Stannis showed off his fancy sword and Mell. called him Azor Ahai Reborn. But perhaps it was a coronation, though? Its been a while since I read that chapter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLantern Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Also, calling him "Prince Aegon" reminds people of who he is - Rheagar's son. People remember that a Prince Aegon once existed, they're putting that name into people's minds again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AegonTargaryen Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Because King Rhaegar is alive and well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thendel Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The simplest reason would be that he hasn't made a formal claim yet. Stannis, Renly, Robb and others crowned themselves when they made their respective claims, but Jon seems to be delaying the official reveal until they've taken some great castle, like Storm's End.Viserys styled himself king because he was a fool, and Daenerys' whole idea of kingship is built around what Viserys told her, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLantern Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 That's a good point - maybe once they take Storm's End they'll have some kind of official ceremony in order to win over more of the Storm Lords.EDIT - and maybe pull out Blackfyre for the first time as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSnow House Stark Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The simplest reason would be that he hasn't made a formal claim yet. Stannis, Renly, Robb and others crowned themselves when they made their respective claims, but Jon seems to be delaying the official reveal until they've taken some great castle, like Storm's End.Viserys styled himself king because he was a fool, and Daenerys' whole idea of kingship is built around what Viserys told her, so...Actually I thought Dany is called Queen because she married Drago, he was Khal / King, and she Khaleesi / Queen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Beyond the Wall Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 (f)Aegon is Rhaegar's son. Since both his father and grandfather are dead, shouldn't he be called King ? Viserys was called King and Dany is called Queen. Whether Aegon is real or fake, since his claim is better than either of them, shouldn't he be referred to as King instead of prince. Even Joffrey was called King.I always though that it was weird because even without a proper coronation the heir of the crown is King after the dead of the previous monarch. This is a flaw in Varys and Illiryo's account, they called Danaerys as The Queen and not because of Meereen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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