Mithras Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 not cross the Wall on their own? The wiki says it is unknown. Coldhands said he cant cross the wall but taking Coldhands as a typical wight might be erroneous. Maybe Bloodraven was controlling him and he feared pasing the wall may cause him to lose his control over him. Othor was a special op. wight sent to assassinate the LC, brought by the black brothers. I think the wights have no trouble passing the wall or travelling across the sea. So the question is why they dont do it? Surely the others do not have an infinite source of wight army. They know the worth of each wight and make sure that no wight is spent in absent reason. A lot of wights perished in the battle at the fist but they are worth it because the most significant force of the NW is destroyed. Jon's fear for Hardhome people turning into wights is very real and important. I expect the others will have enough wight army to attack the wall on a grand scale. They are never far, watching the defenses of the wall all the time. If their wight army succeedes to defeat the NW, the others sure can work out a way to pass beyond the wall. This is the plan. Jon's dream about wights climbing the wall foreshadows that there will be an attack like this. Bowen thinks that sealing the doors will keep them all safe but I want to see Bowen's face while the wights climbing up the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jongtu Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Dead things in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Maybe the others cant control them , if they're too far way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Maybe the others cant control them , if they're too far way? How did Othor reanimate and tried to kill the LC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sordelor Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 How did Othor reanimate and tried to kill the LC? That was for a very short period and that was only one wight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iona Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I always wondered why the two wights that got on the south side of the Wall didn't make an attempt to open the Black Gate and let other wights in. Could it be that even the wights cannot pass, not even through the gate. The two rangers were brought back while they were still in "normal corpse mode", so that might be an explanation, but still... I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 I always wondered why the two wights that got on the south side of the Wall didn't make an attempt to open the Black Gate and let other wights in. Could it be that even the wights cannot pass, not even through the gate. The two rangers were brought back while they were still in "normal corpse mode", so that might be an explanation, but still... I wonder. Their eyes were wight eyes when they were found. No animals could come near them. They were like those wights waiting under the snow in front of the cave of the CotF. They didnot try to open the doors to let wights in because there were many NW men that it would be impossible to kill them all and start an invasion. Besides, I dont believe the wight army was anywhere near the CB. It takes no small time to move them and they had no guarantee that the black brothers would bring those corpses through the gate instead of burning them. The wights are able to pass the wall but what would happen after they pass the wall is the main issue. As I said, the others are waiting for the right time to strike. They cannot recruit their soldiers like humans. They have to prey on the weak and alone and see their wight army's numbers increase. At the same time, they should try their best to weaken the NW as much as possible. 1 less man at the wall means at least 100 wights necessary to start the attack. With Bowen's folly, the full-scale wight attack on the wall comes closer and closer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merry Other Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 I don't think wights can cross the Wall. There's something in the books about the Wall being woven with ancient spells which keep the Others and wights out of the realm. IMO, wights are slow, dumb, clumsy creatures that can easily be taken care of with fire. At the Fist, the NW were overrun because they were not prepared to fight wights. Next time, though, unless the Others have something up their sleeve, their wights are going to have a fun ride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 I don't think wights can cross the Wall. There's something in the books about the Wall being woven with ancient spells which keep the Others and wights out of the realm. IMO, wights are slow, dumb, clumsy creatures that can easily be taken care of with fire. At the Fist, the NW were overrun because they were not prepared to fight wights. Next time, though, unless the Others have something up their sleeve, their wights are going to have a fun ride Othor did cross the wall. I dont think the magic in the wall has an embedded code like "if black brothers bring wights, let them in, else no wights are allowed". Coldhands either cant pass or did not want to pass. But Coldhands is not any wight we ever seen so he is an exception. That is why I think the wights can and will pass the wall but they do not choose to do so yet. Taking out the LC was a acceptable risk to take them and they nearly succeeded in the act. Other than that, the others are not strong enough to defeat the NW yet, and that will change with the addition of Hardhome people to the wight army and further breaking down of NW-wildling forces on the wall. They should just wait and observe a little longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merry Other Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Othor did cross the wall. I dont think the magic in the wall has an embedded code like "if black brothers bring wights, let them in, else no wights are allowed". Coldhands either cant pass or did not want to pass. But Coldhands is not any wight we ever seen so he is an exception. That is why I think the wights can and will pass the wall but they do not choose to do so yet. Taking out the LC was a acceptable risk to take them and they nearly succeeded in the act. Other than that, the others are not strong enough to defeat the NW yet, and that will change with the addition of Hardhome people to the wight army and further breaking down of NW-wildling forces on the wall. They should just wait and observe a little longer. If the Others & wights could cross the Wall so easily, why not send a wight commando team to kill the NW's LC, just for the fun of it? And while we are at it, why not send other teams behind the Wall to massacre the population and raise some wight armies, behind enemy lines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 If the Others & wights could cross the Wall so easily, why not send a wight commando team to kill the NW's LC, just for the fun of it? And while we are at it, why not send other teams behind the Wall to massacre the population and raise some wight armies, behind enemy lines? I never said that OTHERS CAN PASS THE WALL. I am suggesting the wights can do it. And since the others cannot pass the wall, they cannot raise wights beyond the wall. And sending more wights to take out LC's cannot work anymore. NW are more alert to those kinds of attacks. And remember it is the Night's Watch. There are always wathcers on the wall, which means it is impossible for wight team to sneak attack to the LC chamber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahura Mazda Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 In my humble opinion, the others and the wights can not pass through the magic that protects the Wall. However, bear in mind the following things:- The gate at castle back is not magical- The two wights that came south passed through that gate open- It is magic that forbids coldhands going through the gate at the other castle. Since NW has carved several doors within the Wall that are not magical at all in the last thousands of years because they forgot the reason why the magical doors were needed, they have opened some paths for the WW to come in.. would they ever fail to defend those doors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stannis Eats No Peaches Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Perhaps the Wall severely limits the range of the Others' control? :dunno: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 In my humble opinion, the others and the wights can not pass through the magic that protects the Wall. However, bear in mind the following things: - The gate at castle back is not magical - The two wights that came south passed through that gate open - It is magic that forbids coldhands going through the gate at the other castle. Since NW has carved several doors within the Wall that are not magical at all in the last thousands of years because they forgot the reason why the magical doors were needed, they have opened some paths for the WW to come in.. would they ever fail to defend those doors. As far as I know, Nightfort and the Black gate was built much before than the wall. When they built the wall at the first place they surely must have built some of the castles we have seen. And their gates must carry the same magic too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahura Mazda Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 As far as I know, Nightfort and the Black gate was built much before than the wall. When they built the wall at the first place they surely must have built some of the castles we have seen. And their gates must carry the same magic too. As I said, this is one opinion of mine.. I do not pretend it to be true. I noticed that the gate at Castle Black has three strong doors manually opened by human beings, whereas the Black Gate is a single weirwood door self-opening through NW vow words and is placed under the wall.. whereas the others go through the wall. For me these are clues enough to jump to my conclusion, this is it. ^_^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 In physics, there are observed phenomena whereby an electric charge or magnetic field tend not to exist except per extraordinary means. Perhaps you've heard of a Coulomb box. It's been over 25 years since I studied this so I'm intentionally being vague, allowing someone else to finish my background points.Back to magic, the Wall, the wights, and the Others...Perhaps the wights and Others cannot pass thru any hole through the wall: wights in an animated state, but can in a dormant state; Others not at all. However, there is that story of the Night's King. It doesn't state how he got what seemed to be a female Other, or whatever. However, he gave her his 'seed', which might serve as Wall-pass for Others. Given what GRRM apparently infuses into his storytelling about the fallibilities of stories in songs, folklore, and point of views, I am very reluctant to make much from the Night's King stories. No amount of Viagra would put enough wood into my ... to get seed into a frozen Other.Well, I wonder if wights can climb over the wall. One might infer that Othor getting carried thru the CB gate was planned. It might also be a coincidence. Then again, there have been no reports of wights south of the wall. It's not as if every foot of the Wall has been manned.Well, I gotta get back to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assjfjgjsgjljljglgjfjsduar Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 How did Othor reanimate and tried to kill the LC?Those guys didn't actively cross the Wall, they were BROUGHT over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feunoyr Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Well if the wights can cross the wall Brandon the builder really did a useless job. By the way, even if they are not affected by the magic spells, they still have massive 700 ft wall made of ice, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithras Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Then again, there have been no reports of wights south of the wall. There are reports of wights in the water. They dont want to miss the chance of converting Hardhome people so the others will take risk and do anything they can to stop Cotter Pyke. Unless there is a good reason, I dont see why any wight should be sent beyond the wall. It makes the NW more alert and the Others cannot pass beyond the wall or raise any wights from the dead south of the wall. By the way I hope everybody is aware of the differentiation between a wight and an other (aka white walker) because some people are mixing those. Those guys didn't actively cross the Wall, they were BROUGHT over. Sam could bring Coldhands too. I dont find it very logical that the magic of the wall could differentiate such a thing. A wight should be able to cross the wall or not. Being carried by a crow should not matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pod The Impaler Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Dead things in the water. Yup. The Wall may be the Maginot Line of ASOIAF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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